Same-sex marriage

[MikeyT]

Yes. If 2 people love and care about each other then I can't see what the problem is.

One of my best friends is gay and he and his partner will be having a civil partnership this year or next to which I shall be attending.

[Zingari]

Being this honest is very admirable at the end of the day it's a new concept it will take some getting used to. There's a great YouTube clip of a gay married couple talking to I say a 6 year old about how thery are "husband and husband" the kid laughs and tells them that's it's funny and that they can still play if they want too. It's really adorable to see it from a child's perspective showing no prejudice no pre thought homophobia or religious indoctrination just a young kid who has no issue with two husbands. Everyone should be seen as equal not in someone's "gods" eyes but us as human beings and until we learn to accept people as equals we never will move on.

Yes you a probably correct , and I suppose we are all subjected to mind sets that some of us, for whatever reason , can never quite overcome.

[Finnegan]

Without homosexuality there'd never have been The IT Crowd's Work's Outing.

I THOUGHT I COULD MAKE IT WORK COS YOU LOOK A BIT LIKE A MAN!

[davieG]

Isn't marriage itself an out dated concept, why does a partnership need to be made official with a piece of paper by a government department/church for it to have meaning and longevity?

[jonlcfc1990]

Isn't marriage itself an out dated concept, why does a partnership need to be made official with a piece of paper by a government department/church for it to have meaning and longevity?

I keep telling my girlfriend this all the time. I love her i'm faithful and loyal to the end no "marriage" or partnership will make me feel any different or any strnoger than i do. We are also both athiest and shes even a strong Feminist so she'd want to keep her own name i just don't see why she gets so worked up about being "Married" its mad

[Babylon]

Being this honest is very admirable at the end of the day it's a new concept it will take some getting used to. There's a great YouTube clip of a gay married couple talking to I say a 6 year old about how thery are "husband and husband" the kid laughs and tells them that's it's funny and that they can still play if they want too. It's really adorable to see it from a child's perspective showing no prejudice no pre thought homophobia or religious indoctrination just a young kid who has no issue with two husbands. Everyone should be seen as equal not in someone's "gods" eyes but us as human beings and until we learn to accept people as equals we never will move on.

Is there a video of the child being relentlessly teased and bullied about having two fathers? I'm guessing that's probably not so adorable.

Having said that, if it wasn't that it would probably be something else they got teased about. We have all probably experienced it at some point and know what evil gits children can be to others.

I got a load of shit because my dad was a bit older than most other peoples, that was bad enough. i dread to think what grief I would have got having two dads.

[Babylon]

I keep telling my girlfriend this all the time. I love her i'm faithful and loyal to the end no "marriage" or partnership will make me feel any different or any strnoger than i do. We are also both athiest and shes even a strong Feminist so she'd want to keep her own name i just don't see why she gets so worked up about being "Married" its mad

Least i'm not the only one who gets this grief. I think deep down she thinks i'm joking... i'm not love, it aint happening!

[jonlcfc1990]

Least i'm not the only one who gets this grief. I think deep down she thinks i'm joking... i'm not love, it aint happening!

Amen she always says i'll come round to it

£££ for a ring

£££ for a wedding

£££ for a honeymoon

And it's all ££ i haven't got!

[skinnydipper]

I'm not against same sex unions, but there is still a niggling doubt in my mind about gay male couples adopting children . I can't really give a logical and reasoned argument though, so i suppose it is based on no more than some form of selective homophobia .

Honest of you to say so but I've seen enough fvcked up children from "conventional" relationships to realise that it's what's between the ears rather than what's between the legs that has the biggest impact on the provision of good parenting.

A single episode of Kyle will confirm the point

[Captain...]

Is there a video of the child being relentlessly teased and bullied about having two fathers? I'm guessing that's probably not so adorable.

Having said that, if it wasn't that it would probably be something else they got teased about. We have all probably experienced it at some point and know what evil gits children can be to others.

I got a load of shit because my dad was a bit older than most other peoples, that was bad enough. i dread to think what grief I would have got having two dads.

I understand what you are saying, but by that logic black people shouldn't have children in England because their children might suffer racist abuse or couples from different races.

Should parents that then discover/admit they are gay have their children taken off them in case they get bullied?

Should children be taken off single mothers in case they get bullied for not having a dad (this happened to a friend of mine at school, they teased her because she didn't have a dad)?

Should ginger children have their own seperate school/city/island to protect them?

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Isn't marriage itself an out dated concept, why does a partnership need to be made official with a piece of paper by a government department/church for it to have meaning and longevity?

But it's not the point really is it? It's more the fact they are not allowed to do it. Which i guess is fair enough why should they be descriminated because of their sexual prefence.

[Captain...]

I'm not against same sex unions, but there is still a niggling doubt in my mind about gay male couples adopting children . I can't really give a logical and reasoned argument though, so i suppose it is based on no more than some form of selective homophobia .

Why gay male couples? Why not gay female couples? Is this a subconscious view that all male homosexuals are promiscuous and therefore unreliable and wouldn't make suitable parents? Lesbians do seem to be viewed, by men, as much more respectable/acceptable, I think we all know why that is...

[davieG]

But it's not the point really is it? It's more the fact they are not allowed to do it. Which i guess is fair enough why should they be descriminated because of their sexual prefence.

I'm just saying marriage should be done away with it serves no real purpose, it's no more of a commitment than words said privately and is so easy to walk away from. It just another form of control and a money making vehicle.

That's my view so whether same sex people should be allowed to marry doesn't enter my thoughts.

[jonlcfc1990]

I'm just saying marriage should be done away with it serves no real purpose, it's no more of a commitment than words said privately and is so easy to walk away from. It just another form of control and a money making vehicle.

That's my view so whether same sex people should be allowed to marry doesn't enter my thoughts.

Can you have a word with my girl i've tried every reasoned argument known to man

[skinnydipper]

Is there a video of the child being relentlessly teased and bullied about having two fathers? I'm guessing that's probably not so adorable.

Having said that, if it wasn't that it would probably be something else they got teased about. We have all probably experienced it at some point and know what evil gits children can be to others.

I got a load of shit because my dad was a bit older than most other peoples, that was bad enough. i dread to think what grief I would have got having two dads.

But I bet when you were at school The Black and White Minstrels and Til Death Us Do Part were top of the ratings

[Captain...]

I'm just saying marriage should be done away with it serves no real purpose, it's no more of a commitment than words said privately and is so easy to walk away from. It just another form of control and a money making vehicle.

That's my view so whether same sex people should be allowed to marry doesn't enter my thoughts.

But what about the legal aspect of marriage, there would need to be some process of declaring that you are becoming a committed and dedicated couple and want to share everything in your lives.

Otherwise their will be many disputes over money and property in the case of splitting up or in the case of the sudden unexpected death of a partner and the disputes between the widow and the blood relatives. There is also the religious aspect of it, no sex before marriage etc, but I am guessing the religious argument does nothing for you.

But once you establish there is a need for a partnership to be officially recognised in the eyes of the law, then you are free to make as big a deal out of the ceremony as you want.

[Fox92]

I voted no because I personally don't think it is right. Also, if a person really wants a child (ie Elton John), he should have married of woman. I don't think God intended on the same sex to be together, hence why you can have your own children if you marry the same gender.

[Babylon]

I understand what you are saying, but by that logic black people shouldn't have children in England because their children might suffer racist abuse or couples from different races.

Should parents that then discover/admit they are gay have their children taken off them in case they get bullied?

Should children be taken off single mothers in case they get bullied for not having a dad (this happened to a friend of mine at school, they teased her because she didn't have a dad)?

Should ginger children have their own seperate school/city/island to protect them?

Yes to all four... especially the last one.

[Finnegan]

I voted no because I personally don't think it is right. Also, if a person really wants a child (ie Elton John), he should of married of woman. I don't think God intended on the same sex to be together, hence why you can have your own children if you marry the same gender.

So... who's going to start?

[davieG]

But what about the legal aspect of marriage, there would need to be some process of declaring that you are becoming a committed and dedicated couple and want to share everything in your lives.

Otherwise their will be many disputes over money and property in the case of splitting up or in the case of the sudden unexpected death of a partner and the disputes between the widow and the blood relatives. There is also the religious aspect of it, no sex before marriage etc, but I am guessing the religious argument does nothing for you.

But once you establish there is a need for a partnership to be officially recognised in the eyes of the law, then you are free to make as big a deal out of the ceremony as you want.

There's arguments and conflicts now with a marriage certificate so I don't see that as an obstacle, making a commitment to someone is a private thing why do the authorities need to be involved, you're right about the religious aspect, it's the establishment of being officially recognised that I believe there's no need for and people can celebrate a commitment any way they like I've no problem with that.

[The Doctor]

I voted no because I personally don't think it is right. Also, if a person really wants a child (ie Elton John), he should of married of woman. I don't think God intended on the same sex to be together, hence why you can have your own children if you marry the same gender.

I will kill you in your sleep if you make that mistake again.

It's should HAVE boy, not should of.

[jonlcfc1990]

I voted no because I personally don't think it is right. Also, if a person really wants a child (ie Elton John), he should of married of woman. I don't think God intended on the same sex to be together, hence why you can have your own children if you marry the same gender.

Too easy.

P.S we need negative rep points for comments like these.

[Fox92]

I will kill you in your sleep if you make that mistake again.

It's should HAVE boy, not should of.

Edited

P.S we need negative rep points for comments like these.

Please no! I'm scared now.

[Captain...]

There's arguments and conflicts now with a marriage certificate so I don't see that as an obstacle, making a commitment to someone is a private thing why do the authorities need to be involved, you're right about the religious aspect, it's the establishment of being officially recognised that I believe there's no need for and people can celebrate a commitment any way they like I've no problem with that.

Exactly, imagine how many more there would be if there was no certificate, at what point is somebody entitled to your possessions, if you have been dating for 10 weeks, 10 months, 10 years? What about in the case of pensions, I am not sure how it works now, but my Gran earns her pension based largely on the contribution of her husband to the state, because she only worked part-time and so didn't contribute much.

[MikeyT]

I voted no because I personally don't think it is right. Also, if a person really wants a child (ie Elton John), he should have married of woman. I don't think God intended on the same sex to be together, hence why you can have your own children if you marry the same gender.

I don't believe in imaginary friends any more.

That's a whole other debate though.