Chelsea Tickets available for ST holders that havent purchased a ticket already

[Kitchandro]

I fail to understand your point. What has 'fair' got to do with anything.

Fair has got a lot to do with things. The Club don't want to piss it's season ticket holders off if possible. They're the ones that make the choice to have the priority system so obviously they see it the way I do. Besides, aren't you the one claiming the priority system isn't 'fair'?

Do you seriously not see the conflict between these two statements?

A better fan?

I haven't seen a live game once this season: does that make you a better fan than me? Despite me travelling home and away for years going back to the 1970s?

The club gets no financial benefit whether you travel to Blackpool or Millllll. You want rewards for travelling to away games, which is your choice, a hobby, a past-time?

Not necessarily, but how else do you judge it? If you haven't seen a live game tough shit, but those that have have proved something with facts. Anyone can say they care about the club but why should the club just believe everyone? They can't just take everyone's word for it. Maybe they should take away games into account even if you've not got a season ticket as well.

But priority is fairer than every man for himself. It would be shit if the Chelsea away end was full of people like my mates who don't go until we play a big team. They are not proper fans.

Because those terms are meaningless.

Of course they're not, as I mention above, there are people that care more than others. Yeh technically it's a 'hobby' but it means more to me, and a lot of people, than normal hobbies. It's not just something to pass the time. And it's also a business for LCFC. The club does make money out of my season ticket so that's why I'm priority 3. Priority 1 is a rare example of our fans being rewarded for supporting their team.

You say you don't care how you're labelled but clearly you've taken offence to the club valuing season ticket holders and people who go to away games more than you.

[Kitchandro]

Effort?

"Effort" comes into play when attempting something taxing like a chore or applying basic SPG to your posts.

Explain what "Effort" is involved in going to watch a football match?!

Have you ever tried ringing up the ticket office?! They put you on hold for at least 15 minutes. The website doesn't work most of the time. Or you go to the ground which takes effort.

Then there's travelling, and the cost of travelling, not to mention the cost of the ticket, which is almost always more expensive than it should be. Often away days take up a whole day, meaning you can't do other things that other people may have wanted you to do with them.

I'm starting to wonder if you're on a wind up. I'm pretty sure you know the answers to all these questions.

[Leicester_Loyal]

I hope when the day I am able to afford a season ticket comes around, I don't just automatically become as pretentious as some of you.

If you had a ST, and someone who hadn't been to a match all season got a Chelsea ticket, and you didn't, you'd be pissed off too/

Its a fair system, so stop ****ing moaning, we pay hundreds a year to go, we deserve priority.

[_Fatboyslow_]

Tickets for one off games could be done pro-rata to all types of ticket sales, then sold on whatever bases the club wishes. How you can claim some thing is fair that is based on what you spend is a alien concept to me. But then again I don't belive that owners should be able to saddle a club with debt to forfil there own ambition.

[Bluearmyfox28]

How are people getting returns I have rang up 7 times over past 3 days and had no luck!!

[BrummieFOX]

So it's your opinion we should be courting and all opinions have to be judged by you, the mighty BrummieFOX?

He's fully entitled to his opinion whether it carries your favour or not.

I am pretty mighty

But no, not at all. My point was that I think the priority scheme the club currently hold is the fairest way to distribute away tickets. The fact I have a season ticket doesn't make me anymore or less of a fan than anyone else, but, I do think that should give me priority to access away tickets simply because the commitment made at the start of the season. I don't think anyone else has offered up an alternative, though I haven't ready the whole thread.

[martyn]

Called at 9:30am this morning, managed to get a return (1 of 8 they had at the time) so I'm chuffed after initially missing out by about 30 mins.

P3 season ticket holder who comes up from South London btw, just in case I'm not deserving.......

[Houdini Logic]

No, only at point of issue. If it is returned you get the full credit with a couple of days.

It has been the way for seasons and a form is always available upon request with a season ticket application.

So the answer is 'yes', you do at point of issue.

And for the people who can only just get the money together for a season ticket and live on a week by week basis (maybe you're fortunate enough to not live like that?) then having this money automatically come out isn't really an option. Especially if you're going to factor in a couple of kids tickets to that as well.

I agree the automatic system is a great idea and long may people use it, but it's for people in the bracket above (and many other examples I could give) that I'm glad we have some sort of season ticket holder priority system, and unlike you I'm glad they get a ticket over someone who hasn't seen a game all season and just wants to go to see Torres...

[Daggers]

OK. Here's a few:

1) Getting up earlier

2) Travelling further

3) Getting home later

That, to you, is "effort"?

I think you need to do some growing up, son.

[Guest]

And for the people who can only just get the money together for a season ticket and live on a week by week basis (maybe you're fortunate enough to not live like that?) then having this money automatically come out isn't really an option. Especially if you're going to factor in a couple of kids tickets to that as well.

If you're finances are that desperate, you should perhaps take advice from the many agencies out there. You clearly have your priorities wrong.

[body102]

I agree that some fans make a lot more effort to get to games than others and don't live in the Leicester area, so they're not season ticket holders. However, what "fairer" system can they implement? The amount of miles you've travelled to go to games?

I think the STH 1,2,3, is a decent system. Why should season ticket holders miss out because someone that lives in Kent (for example), wants to go to Chelsea and feels he deserves it because he can't get to every game?

P.S. I think Kitchandro is pretty much spot on.

I wish , I always get lost at some stage travelling to away games

[Daggers]

Besides, aren't you the one claiming the priority system isn't 'fair'?

No. I'm saying the priority system is non-sensical and those defending it are only doing so because they have no perspective or balance in life and can only see themselves in terms of being 'better fans' - which is quite sad.

It would be shit if the Chelsea away end was full of people like my mates who don't go until we play a big team. They are not proper fans.

And we're back to "proper fan" bollocks.

Ridiculous and meaningless term. You aren't a proper fan, you only go to 13 away games...or is that the level you have to aspire to in order to be a "proper fan". Not 11 then? Not 6? But 13. Make 13 away games and you'll be a proper fan my son!

Of course they're not, as I mention above, there are people that care more than others. Yeh technically it's a 'hobby' but it means more to me, and a lot of people, than normal hobbies. It's not just something to pass the time. And it's also a business for LCFC. The club does make money out of my season ticket so that's why I'm priority 3. Priority 1 is a rare example of our fans being rewarded for supporting their team.

I'm going to guess here that you are young: it is just a normal hobby, it just happens to be something some people obsess about and imbue it with a greater level of seriousness than it should otherwise attract.

Warhammer is a business, needlepoint is a business. All hobbies are businesses to some companies - just because you spend money going to see a football match doesn't make it important or better than any other hobby or you better than any other hobbyist.

And, as stated many times, seeing as going away is just giving your money to other clubs doesn't mean you should be entitled to rewards of any kind. Spending money at your own club should entitle you to rewards.

You say you don't care how you're labelled but clearly you've taken offence to the club valuing season ticket holders and people who go to away games more than you.

You've clearly not read my posts.

[Daggers]

Have you ever tried ringing up the ticket office?! They put you on hold for at least 15 minutes. The website doesn't work most of the time. Or you go to the ground which takes effort.

Then there's travelling, and the cost of travelling, not to mention the cost of the ticket, which is almost always more expensive than it should be. Often away days take up a whole day, meaning you can't do other things that other people may have wanted you to do with them.

You are describing 'being selfish' and 'being impatient' not 'making an effort'.

[Larry_LCFC]

Too many highly strung, self-important morons in here for my liking. Wow, you go to more games than somebody else. Makes you a much more deserving and dedicated fan Or not.

[Daggers]

I am pretty mighty

But no, not at all. My point was that I think the priority scheme the club currently hold is the fairest way to distribute away tickets. The fact I have a season ticket doesn't make me anymore or less of a fan than anyone else, but, I do think that should give me priority to access away tickets simply because the commitment made at the start of the season. I don't think anyone else has offered up an alternative, though I haven't ready the whole thread.

I did.

I said that everyone has an option to buy a season ticket and, along with it, they can also pre-order away matches. The sheet allows you to select which games you preorder and you can include all cup away games.

Outside of that I see no reason why anyone should have any priority over anyone else because what you have spent the previous season is irrelevant to the club's balance sheet.

[acooling08]

Daggers why do you have to make everything into an argument?

[Daggers]

So the answer is 'yes', you do at point of issue.

And for the people who can only just get the money together for a season ticket and live on a week by week basis (maybe you're fortunate enough to not live like that?) then having this money automatically come out isn't really an option. Especially if you're going to factor in a couple of kids tickets to that as well.

I agree the automatic system is a great idea and long may people use it, but it's for people in the bracket above (and many other examples I could give) that I'm glad we have some sort of season ticket holder priority system, and unlike you I'm glad they get a ticket over someone who hasn't seen a game all season and just wants to go to see Torres...

If they just wanted to go see Torres there are plenty of spare tickets available at Chelsea.

If someone struggles to afford the cost of the tickets then maybe they should look at how they spend their disposable income a little bit more closely?

[Daggers]

Daggers why do you have to make everything into an argument?

Do I? Do I really? Clearly you have failed to read my posts too.

People make statements I don't agree with - this is a forum - I post a contrary point of view - that's the point of a forum. If you have a problem with it then don't read my posts, put me on ignore, it's quite simple.

[Kitchandro]

No. I'm saying the priority system is non-sensical and those defending it are only doing so because they have no perspective or balance in life and can only see themselves in terms of being 'better fans' - which is quite sad.

I've just explained why it makes sense. If you don't want to agree with it then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I can't see how a free for all makes sense, because you'll just get a bunch of people who aren't that bothered about Leicester at the big games. Not everyone who doesn't have a season ticket doesn't care, but hardly anybody will get a season ticket if they didn't care. If you think this being high and mighty then fine, I don't really care, get over it.

And we're back to "proper fan" bollocks.

Ridiculous and meaningless term. You aren't a proper fan, you only go to 13 away games...or is that the level you have to aspire to in order to be a "proper fan". Not 11 then? Not 6? But 13. Make 13 away games and you'll be a proper fan my son!

Why is it bollocks?

It's very simple. I know people who aren't proper fans. I've just explained what one is. Stop getting so offended. You know if you're a proper fan (being one who actually cares about the club) but I know someone who thinks it's funny when we're relegated isn't. Yet some of these people still want tickets for big games. You can accept that or not but those people aren't proper fans and I hope those kind of people don't get tickets whilst ones who have proved their commitment by going to a lot of games (especially now when we're crap) fail to.

I'm going to guess here that you are young: it is just a normal hobby, it just happens to be something some people obsess about and imbue it with a greater level of seriousness than it should otherwise attract.

Warhammer is a business, needlepoint is a business. All hobbies are businesses to some companies - just because you spend money going to see a football match doesn't make it important or better than any other hobby or you better than any other hobbyist.

And, as stated many times, seeing as going away is just giving your money to other clubs doesn't mean you should be entitled to rewards of any kind. Spending money at your own club should entitle you to rewards.

Yeh, and I do spend money at my own club, I've got a season ticket, as I have said Being a season ticket holder entitles me to priority 3. Because I spend money at my own club.

As for P1 and 2, not sure how going to 13 away games benefits our club financially (except fox travel) but it's still the same idea, if you fork out for a load of matches and go to a load, you are being rewarded. I think that's fair. And this is coming from someone who will probably won't be P1 or 2 for quite a while.

And I'm telling you, I do take it more seriously than most people do with most hobbies. So what? You don't like it and that's how you feel but don't think just because you're a miserable old bloke you can tell other people how to live their lives and what their priorities should be (no pun intended).

You've clearly not read my posts.

No I have read them, and you've complained about the priority system. So clearly you have a problem with Season ticket holders being valued more than someone who hasn't been to one game this season.

Get over yourself, if you haven't been to one live match this season what's your problem?

[The Padster]

If you had a ST, and someone who hadn't been to a match all season got a Chelsea ticket, and you didn't, you'd be pissed off too/

Its a fair system, so stop ****ing moaning, we pay hundreds a year to go, we deserve priority.

Hey man, I agree. Season Ticket Holders should get priority, I was merely passing comment on the snobbish attitudes of some 'holders'.

A note of the allocation though. We have around 16,000 ST, Chelsea have only released 6000 tickets. It was inevitable that not everybody could go, so why some of you are getting your knickers in a twist I don't know.

[1964FOX]

I did.

I said that everyone has an option to buy a season ticket and, along with it, they can also pre-order away matches. The sheet allows you to select which games you preorder and you can include all cup away games.

Outside of that I see no reason why anyone should have any priority over anyone else because what you have spent the previous season is irrelevant to the club's balance sheet.

So if we remove the current priority system and 10,000 season ticket holders fill in the pre order forms for every cup game, who gets the tickets?

[Daggers]

As for P1 and 2, not sure how going to 13 away games benefits our club financially

You should, I've told you.

And I'm telling you, I do take it more seriously than most people do with most hobbies. So what? You don't like it and that's how you feel but don't think just because you're a miserable old bloke you can tell other people how to live their lives and what their priorities should be (no pun intended).

I didn't say I didn't like it - you're doing a very good job of sounding naive, ignorant and making up what you think I have written - but then I've already pointed out you've clearly not read my posts. Telling you that you are obsessing about something makes me a miserable old man does it? I've told you how to live your life have I? How interesting, I hope I gave you some sage advice on how to do that because I seem to be struggling to remember doing it.

you've complained about the priority system. So clearly you have a problem with Season ticket holders being valued more than someone who hasn't been to one game this season.

Stop trying to be a professional dipswitch and be told, child. I've pointed out what I think are fundamental flaws in a system based upon a notion that a fan can consider him or herself to be "better" or "proper" when that distinction is a pile of shit. I've pointed out that I believe ST holders should have first call on away tickets, that I believe they should organise themselves to do this at the outset of the season and that the club should stand by the deadlines it gives supporters on the website. Is that clear enough for you or would you like a version with pictures and big writing?

Get over yourself, if you haven't been to one live match this season what's your problem?

Says the boy having a pissyfit?

I have no problem, I was stating my opinions on a forum but I think our particular discussion is over now as I don't seem to be able to find words you understand.

Hope you enjoy your game and get to stand with some proper fans.

[Daggers]

So if we remove the current priority system and 10,000 season ticket holders fill in the pre order forms for every cup game, who gets the tickets?

Don't you figure a lottery is a fair solution to distribute tickets to those who've actually contributed to the running of the club?

[1964FOX]

Don't you figure a lottery is a fair solution to distribute tickets to those who've actually contributed to the running of the club?

Yes in the situation I described a lottery is the easiest solution but would be extra admin and process for the club, clearly the current system does favour those who meet the identified criteria and discriminates against those who can't attend enough games for whatever reason but that's the world we live in and people take advantage of it where they can.

[Guest]

I would like to see tickets allocated on an intelligence basis, with those not making the grade being denied tickets altogether.

I realise that it would mean that most posters here would never get to go to an away game, but it would make my match day experience far more enjoyable.