5 points from 18?

[Guest]

Not at all but I am saying that Nigel has stuttered through almost half as many games as Sven had. Sure he didn't have the close season but in four months he has had a transfer window, access to the loan market (both to bring in and offload), a chance to impose his own fitness regime, bought a third of a new team and gets to play another third that he had when he was here before in most games - arguably has a better keeper than he had before and a better right back and on paper two way better strikers that he seems incapable of getting more than the odd game out of, an exciting midfielder in Neil Danns (who he was apparently after at Hull), is getting paid £20k a week still has several more of his old guard available if he needs them and somehow has failed miserably

The gamble didn't pay off

Well it seems the 2 camps cannot find any agreement. I like the point seenitall makes regarding players that were NP's that Sven kept and obviously he had the chance to loan and bring in new players which he has. Too many people are apologists for NP. whether you like it or not he hasn't done well - the proof stares us in the face. You'd expect at least a general improvement after 6 months if you expect 1 year to be a decent amount of time whereas the team has actually regressed.

Babylon your continual counter arguments aren't countering anything. People who agreed with you still agree with you, people who don't, still don't. There's no need to be derogatory to other posters though and they shouldn't be derogatory to you (and I want to make it clear that you haven't been derogatory to me). we are the only part of Leicester city club that was here in the past and will be here in the future. We are all (mostly) fans that will be here come rain or shine until our dying days.

Sven wasn't given long enough - what stupidity to sack a guy part way through the season. The owners need to decide if they think NP can take us to the Premier league - which is their stated aim, not to finish mid table in the championship. If they think he can then make sure he gets the full season next year to do it. if they don't think he can then get rid now. I'm happy with both of those scenarios I won't be happy with NP starting the season and being sacked before the end of it.

[Babylon]

Silly me tee hee - all those games we played in June and July were mega for us..........pedant

Pedant? That Sven had a couple of months pre season with them and a summer transfer window. Are you suggesting that's not important?

You love Nige - but love can be blind..

Bullshit. I said exactly the same things about Sven this time last year. Doesn't matter who is in charge, I ask for them to be given the same things.

Is it just me or are Hull crap too? If that's building a team we should stop him right now - finished below us last year and are pants this year

They were doing fine with him until we showed interest, it's called building a team. Something we know little about here in the last decade.

[RowlattsFox]

So many manager threads I don't know which to post in. Every manager should have a summer to see what changes he can make and then live or die by the season afterwards, one January window is not enough to judge. Its not just about bringing players in, it's about all the hardwork on the training ground which you don't really get mid-season.

Pearson has not been able to change this season, and he should take responsiblity for that. But like it or not its not his time apart from Drinkwater, Marshall and Morgan. Before anyone says Dyer, Wellens and co were his players, we don't know whether they'd still be here had Pearson not left.

If we sacked Pearson, a second sacking in a season. Who is going to want to come here? One of the reasons the owners went back to Pearson is because noone else wanted it.

[Raw Dykes]

Not at all but I am saying that Nigel has stuttered through almost half as many games as Sven had. Sure he didn't have the close season but in four months he has had a transfer window, access to the loan market (both to bring in and offload), a chance to impose his own fitness regime, bought a third of a new team and gets to play another third that he had when he was here before in most games - arguably has a better keeper than he had before and a better right back and on paper two way better strikers that he seems incapable of getting more than the odd game out of, an exciting midfielder in Neil Danns (who he was apparently after at Hull), is getting paid £20k a week still has several more of his old guard available if he needs them and somehow has failed miserably

The gamble didn't pay off

I can't help thinking you know you're stretching the truth a bit.

January transfer window - we all know that it is nigh on impossible to rebuild a side in it. Prices go mental, and most clubs don't really want to let go of players. Besides, Marshall and Drinkwater are exactly the sort of player we should be after, and I hope to see more like them. The January transfer window doesn't even compare to the summer transfer window, where every club is looking to offload players and bring in new ones.

Loans - we don't know whether it was possible to get anyone in who would improve the side. There were rumours NP tried to borrow a couple of midfielders, but couldn't.

Fitness - Sure, you can tweak the regime during the season, but it can just amount to polishing a turd. As we saw when Sousa was in charge of pre-season training, sometimes the damage has already been done. To achieve the best levels of fitness during the season, it's crucial that the work must be done during the summer.

NP's Old Guard - I don't think we can count the players who are still here from the 1st time NP was in charge as his players as much as you can say the players Sven brought in are his. They were brought in under completely different expectations (achieve promotion from the 3rd tier/avoid relegation from the 2nd) and a totally different budget. Add to that some are past their prime now.

The current side is not a team - it's just a bunch of individuals. There's a lot wrong with it, but I think it can be fixed over the summer. Actually, the work has already started. The owners can stick with NP, support him through the summer and see where we are just before Christmas, or make yet another change, and go right back to square one.

I wouldn't call it a gamble - NP has a good record in this division. Even if it is, we can't know whether it's paid off or not until he's had a chance to make the necessary changes, and we all know that by far the best time to make changes is during the summer transfer window. Judge him in October/November.

[Babylon]

Too many people are apologists for NP.

It's called adding balance, there are too many people who seem to lay the sole blame at a manager who has been here 5/6 months and only had the chance to bring in a few of his own players.

Everyone accepts it's not been a success so far, I don't think anyone has ever said any different. Perhaps the NP out group could accept he's not been afforded the time, money, transfer markets or games that Sven had. And that this indeed could have made a difference to his fortunes so far

There's no need to be derogatory to other posters though and they shouldn't be derogatory to you

If someone starts a thread and gets their facts wrong, and then continues to make things up as he did, then tough. I'll call a spade a spade, I don't tolerate people like that. paulsherwood1 managed to start a very good "anti Pearson" thread this morning, the OP should take a leaf out of his book.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Good old Nigel, he has really earned the half million he has been paid. lol lol

[Guest]

It's called adding balance, there are too many people who seem to lay the sole blame at a manager who has been here 5/6 months and only had the chance to bring in a few of his own players.

Everyone accepts it's not been a success so far, I don't think anyone has ever said any different. Perhaps the NP out group could accept he's not been afforded the time, money, transfer markets or games that Sven had. And that this indeed could have made a difference to his fortunes so far

Fair enough on the first point

And I have accepted what you said in point 2. but please bear in mind that Sven has been sacked.

If you're saying that NP needs/deserves more time and that Sven should have had more time. then I agree with you 100%

[Babylon]

If you're saying that NP needs/deserves more time and that Sven should have had more time. then I agree with you 100%

Sven went just as I was starting to judge him properly, I was annoyed at him because he'd been given many of the things ask asked for him to be given. Time, a pre season, a summer window and we looked pretty clueless, but as I said at the time it was a bit to soon for me.

I want Pearson to be given the same. But as paulsherwood1 mentioned in his thread, we're in the vicious circle of sacking people in October, which is mad. We either go with Pearson and stick with for most of next season or start a fresh now. If money and time is no object then the first option is the only option for me. If they know they are only going to be here until next summer then it's a nasty decision to make because it's definitely shit or bust for them.

For all we know they might already know they will be cutting back in the summer. If that's the case Pearson is the sort of manager you want to craft a team out of frees and loans etc. Without knowing the Thais minds it's impossible to say what is or isn't best for the club.

[seenitall]

Sven went just as I was starting to judge him properly, I was annoyed at him because he'd been given many of the things ask asked for him to be given. Time, a pre season, a summer window and we looked pretty clueless, but as I said at the time it was a bit to soon for me.

I want Pearson to be given the same. But as paulsherwood1 mentioned in his thread, we're in the vicious circle of sacking people in October, which is mad. We either go with Pearson and stick with for most of next season or start a fresh now. If money and time is no object then the first option is the only option for me. If they know they are only going to be here until next summer then it's a nasty decision to make because it's definitely shit or bust for them.

For all we know they might already know they will be cutting back in the summer. If that's the case Pearson is the sort of manager you want to craft a team out of frees and loans etc. Without knowing the Thais minds it's impossible to say what is or isn't best for the club.

First sensible thing I've ever seen you write

[Happy Fox]

Sven went just as I was starting to judge him properly, I was annoyed at him because he'd been given many of the things ask asked for him to be given. Time, a pre season, a summer window and we looked pretty clueless, but as I said at the time it was a bit to soon for me.

I want Pearson to be given the same. But as paulsherwood1 mentioned in his thread, we're in the vicious circle of sacking people in October, which is mad. We either go with Pearson and stick with for most of next season or start a fresh now. If money and time is no object then the first option is the only option for me. If they know they are only going to be here until next summer then it's a nasty decision to make because it's definitely shit or bust for them.

For all we know they might already know they will be cutting back in the summer. If that's the case Pearson is the sort of manager you want to craft a team out of frees and loans etc. Without knowing the Thais minds it's impossible to say what is or isn't best for the club.

Good post Babs fully agree with the sentiments you share ultimately the club's fate lies with the owners, you only have to look at the financial figures released to see the magnitude of the situation imo it is promotion or bust.

[blueredswed]

Hi!

I have not been here for a couple of days but after reading this I must say:

1: Everyone knew that I am a Sven lover and always will bee, followed him since Gothenburg and forward.

2: Babylon are you frustrated? I remember you such a member following the team, perhaps you still do? But today I think you have eat something not so good for your stomich.

3: I think all members must say what they will without be raped.....almost!

Soo calm down everybody everyone is dissapointed this season but get behind the team and stop shouting out with him.......

I mean our striker everyone knews who sometimes ge is a good, next match useless.

What about youreselves as good members?

Good save the Queen and also Leicester

and please save mee from Babylon

[Cecchini1976]

It's called adding balance, there are too many people who seem to lay the sole blame at a manager who has been here 5/6 months and only had the chance to bring in a few of his own players.

Everyone accepts it's not been a success so far, I don't think anyone has ever said any different. Perhaps the NP out group could accept he's not been afforded the time, money, transfer markets or games that Sven had. And that this indeed could have made a difference to his fortunes so far

If someone starts a thread and gets their facts wrong, and then continues to make things up as he did, then tough. I'll call a spade a spade, I don't tolerate people like that. paulsherwood1 managed to start a very good "anti Pearson" thread this morning, the OP should take a leaf out of his book.

What facts have I got wrong? I was meant to put 8 out of 21 points, I have admitted that was a school boy error on previous posts, was half asleep with a hangover so stop going back to that, move on. And for the life of me what have I made up??? My opinion is my opinion. Again this thread was to do with our points in recent weeks, but your replys have nothing to do with this. I as a fan am pissed of that going in to the Forest game we had a chance of getting in to the play offs with 2 winnable games that at worst you would have taken 4 points from

[blueredswed]

What facts have I got wrong? I was meant to put 8 out of 21 points, I have admitted that was a school boy error on previous posts, was half asleep with a hangover so stop going back to that, move on. And for the life of me what have I made up??? My opinion is my opinion. Again this thread was to do with our points in recent weeks, but your replys have nothing to do with this. I as a fan am pissed of that going in to the Forest game we had a chance of getting in to the play offs with 2 winnable games that at worst you would have taken 4 points from

Don´t take notice off Babylon today,

I think we all love Leicester so don´t spill your words on dissgussing. I think we all knew what you are meaning but some here is taking every chance they have to stick a knife in Sven!

Therefore you were there today but I´m back and helping you to keep Svens flag high!

He is still the 2:nd best english manager or am I wrong?

But some here don´t remember bacause they are to young, or read some english newspapers that no one can read today because they was shit!

[seenitall]

Don´t take notice off Babylon today,

I think we all love Leicester so don´t spill your words on dissgussing. I think we all knew what you are meaning but some here is taking every chance they have to stick a knife in Sven!

Therefore you were there today but I´m back and helping you to keep Svens flag high!

He is still the 2:nd best english manager or am I wrong?

But some here don´t remember bacause they are to young, or read some english newspapers that no one can read today because they was shit!

Exactly

[cosmos]

I can never understand the " it`s not his team" arguement.

I work in a Leadership management role, and have had many different teams of people work for me. I don`t go in an dismiss everyone when I start with a new team, nor do I blame the previous team leader. It`s about my Leadership skills and my ability to develop and motivate people. These players are plenty good enough, its upto NP to get the best out of them and create a winning mentality. Something he has failed to do.

here here!

[Babylon]

What facts have I got wrong? I was meant to put 8 out of 21 points, I have admitted that was a school boy error on previous posts, was half asleep with a hangover so stop going back to that, move on. And for the life of me what have I made up??? My opinion is my opinion. Again this thread was to do with our points in recent weeks, but your replys have nothing to do with this.

Well you got the main one wrong about the thread for a start (that you admitted... eventually) and I listed some of the others already, read them. As for making stuff up, how many times have you stated that in this thread that I am happy with things? I've asked several times for you to point out where I, or others said they were happy and you failed to do so.

[Babylon]

First sensible thing I've ever seen you write

Still awaiting yours.

[Guest Col city fan]

And I get accused of making lots of posts..

The hypocrisy on this forum is amazing, as exemplified over this weekend.

Scrub this season... It's been weird and very difficult, if not impossible to explain.

Pearson has my support. As long as he does what I believe to be the right things with this expensively assembled bunch of misfits.

What I want him to do, as I said a few weeks ago, is to start experimenting now with a few players that he sees as having the potential for next season.

Get Beckford out and Schlupp in.

The young right back in for Pelts.

Drinky and Danns when his ban is over

Etc...

Start the rebuild now Nige.. Don't matter if we lose a few more does it.

But don't stick with all the same now there's no point IMO.

[Raw Dykes]

And I get accused of making lots of posts..

The hypocrisy on this forum is amazing, as exemplified over this weekend.

Scrub this season... It's been weird and very difficult, if not impossible to explain.

Pearson has my support. As long as he does what I believe to be the right things with this expensively assembled bunch of misfits.

What I want him to do, as I said a few weeks ago, is to start experimenting now with a few players that he sees as having the potential for next season.

Get Beckford out and Schlupp in.

The young right back in for Pelts.

Drinky and Danns when his ban is over

Etc...

Start the rebuild now Nige.. Don't matter if we lose a few more does it.

But don't stick with all the same now there's no point IMO.

I agree. This is what I want to see as well. I don't think we will just yet, though, because I doubt the owners will be best pleased to see NP throwing the towel in, even though we all know only a miracle could get us in the playoffs.

[JadeFalcon]

i've said it once and i'll say it again... thank god for kasper schmiechel, its only down to him that we are not much much further down the league. you just have to think if he let in half, hell even a quarter of those that he saved, where would we be.

pearson and the rest of the team really have done sweet FA and its kasper we have to thank for being in the position we are

[Libertine Dream]

The thing is, the goalkeeper is there to make those saves. Granted he's made some excellent crucial saves but when I used played in goal a couple of years ago whenever I got praised I just said that's my job. All the team does their job its just a midfielder has to do it more often so is more likely to mess up, they may play the killer pass but nobody gets on the end of it so they don't get the praise for it whereas a goalkeepers job is solely down to them whether they succeed or fail.

[JadeFalcon]

yes ofcourse he is there to make the saves, but you missed my point of where we would be without those saves we would be nowhere near the position we are and would have lost so many more games... we would have been fighting relegation than trying to chase for a playoff place. take kasper out of the equation and pearson would have done worse than sven.

would love to see the stats of how games would be different if he let in 1/4 of everything he saved and see how the table would change

[Guest Basildon Fox]

yes ofcourse he is there to make the saves, but you missed my point of where we would be without those saves we would be nowhere near the position we are and would have lost so many more games... we would have been fighting relegation than trying to chase for a playoff place. take kasper out of the equation and pearson would have done worse than sven.

would love to see the stats of how games would be different if he let in 1/4 of everything he saved and see how the table would change

Sven had him too. What is your point?

[JadeFalcon]

my point being, without kasper, we'd be ****ing attrocious and pearson would be long ****ing gone by now, as pearsons win ration would be nearer 3 than the 9 it is

atleast i had some form of hope under sven... under pearson we look like we're going nowhere and losing to shockingly bad teams. hell under pearson i fear we'd even lose playing against acrington ****ing stanley

[Babylon]

my point being, without kasper, we'd be ****ing attrocious and pearson would be long ****ing gone by now

atleast i had some form of hope under sven... under pearson we look like we're going nowhere and losing to shockingly bad teams. hell under pearson i fear we'd even lose playing against acrington ****ing stanley

Can we also add on points for the games he cocked up in like Forest Away, and also add in the goals we concede from set pieces due to him rarely going for the ball?

Thank god we have Nugent, if it wan't for him we'd be in league one. Thank god for xxxxxxxx (insert player name) otherwise we'd be in the conference.