5 points from 18?

[Raw Dykes]

i've said it once and i'll say it again... thank god for kasper schmiechel, its only down to him that we are not much much further down the league. you just have to think if he let in half, hell even a quarter of those that he saved, where would we be.

pearson and the rest of the team really have done sweet FA and its kasper we have to thank for being in the position we are

Don't get me wrong - I like Schmeichel. I think he's probably the best keeper we've had for years, but I think you're praising him a bit too much. To say Kasper has been fantastic all season, while every other player and the manager have done FA all season is ridiculous. It really is far, far away from being that simple.

yes ofcourse he is there to make the saves, but you missed my point of where we would be without those saves we would be nowhere near the position we are and would have lost so many more games... we would have been fighting relegation than trying to chase for a playoff place. take kasper out of the equation and pearson would have done worse than sven.

would love to see the stats of how games would be different if he let in 1/4 of everything he saved and see how the table would change

I don't get what your point is meant to be? That we'd be worse off if we had a rubbish keeper? Hardly surprising.

"take kasper out of the equation and pearson would have done worse than sven." Kasper was Sven's keeper, as well. If we didn't have Kasper, we'd have a different keeper instead. He might be better, he might be worse, but I don't think it'd make a great deal of difference to our current league position.

[JadeFalcon]

wether kasper is good or crap or wether we'd be better or worse off with another keeper is not my point

ffs are you all dumb ?

we'd be closer to relegation without the saves and would have lost a hell of alot more matches and by now everybody would be calling for pearsons head.

i'm out of this thread till you mongoloids get a clue, pearsons crap and i dont see things chaning in the summer.. half of me is thinking of putting a bet on wether we will see fryatt in a leicester shirt again

[Babylon]

up untill marshall came along, it must have been years since i last saw somebody at leicester score a goal like he did at chelsea

Other than Gallagher obviously, but nobody likes him.

[Raw Dykes]

my point being, without kasper, we'd be ****ing attrocious and pearson would be long ****ing gone by now, as pearsons win ration would be nearer 3 than the 9 it is

atleast i had some form of hope under sven... under pearson we look like we're going nowhere and losing to shockingly bad teams. hell under pearson i fear we'd even lose playing against acrington ****ing stanley

I don't think it's a very interesting point, though. All you're saying is, without x, we'd be worse off, which is obvious. Without food, the players would starve to death. With only 4 players on the pitch, we wouldn't do as well as we would with 11 players on the pitch. Without a clock, we wouldn't know when it was half time or full time. Without a ref, matches would be chaos. Without electricity, we wouldn't be able to play games in the evening.

So much conjecture! How the hell do you know what it would be like if we didn't have Schmeichel? You just pulled a win ratio close to 3 out of your arse. As I said, if we'd never signed him, or lost him, we would have signed a different keeper for the 1st team, who may have been worse than Kasper, or he may have been better. It certainly wouldn't have been the one solitary factor between us being in the PL or the 3rd tier. If it was, then you could judge every club by how good their keepers are. To win the PL title, just go and buy the best keeper.

[Corky]

Good old Nigel, he has really earned the half million he has been paid. lol lol

Did your Sven earn all the money he had been paid?

[Babylon]

I don't think it's a very interesting point, though. All you're saying is, without x, we'd be worse off, which is obvious. Without food, the players would starve to death. With only 4 players on the pitch, we wouldn't do as well as we would with 11 players on the pitch. Without a clock, we wouldn't know when it was half time or full time. Without a ref, matches would be chaos. Without electricity, we wouldn't be able to play games in the evening.

So much conjecture! How the hell do you know what it would be like if we didn't have Schmeichel? You just pulled a win ratio close to 3 out of your arse. As I said, if we'd never signed him, or lost him, we would have signed a different keeper for the 1st team, who may have been worse than Kasper, or he may have been better. It certainly wouldn't have been the one solitary factor between us being in the PL or the 3rd tier. If it was, then you could judge every club by how good their keepers are. To win the PL title, just go and buy the best keeper.

Just imagine how shit Man City would be without Hart, they would get relegated... or would they just buy another decent keeper.

Walk away RD, walk away.

Did your Sven earn all the money he had been paid?

Course he did, he's a big name and signed us loads of big name players who would never have considered joining us for shit loads of cash had he not been here.

[Corky]

Just imagine how shit Man City would be without Hart, they would get relegated... or would they just buy another decent keeper.

Walk away RD, walk away.

Course he did, he's a big name and signed us loads of big name players who would never have considered joining us for shit loads of cash had he not been here.

Oh yeah.

[Babylon]

Oh yeah.

[accessory]

wether kasper is good or crap or wether we'd be better or worse off with another keeper is not my point

ffs are you all dumb ?

we'd be closer to relegation without the saves and would have lost a hell of alot more matches and by now everybody would be calling for pearsons head.

i'm out of this thread till you mongoloids get a clue, pearsons crap and i dont see things chaning in the summer.. half of me is thinking of putting a bet on wether we will see fryatt in a leicester shirt again

Do it. Some on here will urge Pearson to buy him back.

The most brain-dead of all will even attempt to argue that Fryatt is better than Beckford.

[Babylon]

Do it. Some on here will urge Pearson to buy him back.

Thankfully I think the arrival of Nugent has exorcsied that ghost once and for all.

[Raw Dykes]

Just imagine how shit Man City would be without Hart, they would get relegated... or would they just buy another decent keeper.

Walk away RD, walk away.

Cheers, Babs. It's ciggy break time. The rain will cool me down.

Oh, before I go, I've just thought, it's a good job there's a goalkeeper in front of our goal when someone takes a shot at it, 'cos otherwise, the ball would probably end up in our net. Something to think about...

[Happy Fox]

Do it. Some on here will urge Pearson to buy him back.

The most brain-dead of all will even attempt to argue that Fryatt is better than Beckford.

He has though he has scored 11 league goals this season.

[Guy]

I thought Leeds just did? Hull may well do if they miss promotion, Blackpool will keep Olly, especially after yesterday, Why would Hughton orAllerdyce have to go, they are doing a fine job of seriously challenging to get in the Premier - you don't half talk crap in defence of Nige sometimes - just accept it is trash at the moment will you - the owners gambled on sacking the previous manager and failed miserably - because they have no football knowledge at all. I know you love them unconditionally but surely you must see that they are useless and have squandered this season for nothing?

I'm no Pearson basher by any stretch of the imagination but we've been through a lot of disappointment and false dawns under the Thais after not even two years in charge yet and Pearson's second coming has been as disappointing as anything since he left first time round!

I loved his first spell here as did many of us and I was gutted when he left for Hull.....especially when Sousa came in - despite his doing ok at Swansea the year before. I then thought we were destined for League One all over again after that 6-1 at Pompey and the fact that Sousa's tactics didn't match that of Pearson's squad from the excellent season before. However when Sousa got the merciless boot after two disastrous months and when we got Sven I put NP out of my mind somewhat and let bygones be bygones. Under Sven I really thought we were then going places. However despite Sven coming to us putting us back on the map and with it attracting some great loan players last season (Yakubu, Naughton, etc) - as well as some proper duds (Kirkland, Bednar) to keep it interesting - I knew that was going to provide us with problems for this season if we didn't go up last season, as happened - mainly as the best loanees were unlikely to stick around as was proved. I then had a sixth sense that Sven had mis-spent some of the money in the summer on players like Mills, even Beckford to a degree who has largely flattered to deceive but then Schmeichel, Konchesky, Danns and St Ledger balanced things up nicely and I still thought we'd figure in the play offs, easily.

Then when Sven was unceremoniously and prematurely sacked I was in a back to the drawing board frame of mind. However I was pretty pleased (as well as very surprised) when we got NP back off Hull in November after all the will he or won't he return saga. However, without wanting to be cynical here, I wonder if NP would have returned to us had the Thais not paid him £1 million up front into his bank account for the privelege? I know NP still has a lot of contacts and friends he left behind here when he was sold down the river by Mandy-rich but even so, I doubt he would've returned if the dangling carrot hadn't been shown him by the Thais and duly given to him. Despite not being able to get us back up to 6th after just the one week we spent in the play off frame in late Novemnber, I still don't believe NP should go though and he probably won't. You could probably get odds of 150-1 of us finishing 6th now this season and I very doubt that will happen - even if there is still that slim possibility with the teams between us and 6th still faltering every passing week. The trouble is we're still not capitalising. Assuming we finish where we are though then even the Thais will see NP probably needs a whole close season to revitalise the present squad, get rid of the deadwood, strengthen it where necessary and then hopefully the inconsistency bug will be stamped out on a more regular basis next season. If it's still the same in a year's time and we're no further on than 12th then NP definitely won't be about! - unless the Thais sell up first or something if they decide enough's enough.......

[5waller5]

No, people won't quit using that fact. Having a difficult January window is nothing like having a summer. People will keep mentioning until people start taking on board that this is mostly someone elses team. Whether he knew the squad or not has nothing to do with it. We thought we knew the squad, the bookies thought they knew the squad and everyone has been massively wrong.

He has also had tow loan windows and despite playing a centre half at centre mid, a centre forward on the wing, and having no midfielders on the subs bench has not signed any loan players ....

I wish NP had worked out, but he hasn't because he is too stubborn and will not admit his mistakes so can't rectify them - or he can't attract players - or both, because any manager in his position knowing how much he is under pressure to get results should have got loan cover in when he didn't make the signings he should have in January.

[Nick]

I'm no Pearson basher by any stretch of the imagination but we've been through a lot of disappointment and false dawns under the Thais after not even two years in charge yet and Pearson's second coming has been as disappointing as anything since he left first time round!

I loved his first spell here as did many of us and I was gutted when he left for Hull.....especially when Sousa came in - despite his doing ok at Swansea the year before. I then thought we were destined for League One all over again after that 6-1 at Pompey and the fact that Sousa's tactics didn't match that of Pearson's squad from the excellent season before. However when Sousa got the merciless boot after two disastrous months and when we got Sven I put NP out of my mind somewhat and let bygones be bygones. Under Sven I really thought we were then going places. However despite Sven coming to us putting us back on the map and with it attracting some great loan players last season (Yakubu, Naughton, etc) - as well as some proper duds (Kirkland, Bednar) to keep it interesting - I knew that was going to provide us with problems for this season if we didn't go up last season, as happened - mainly as the best loanees were unlikely to stick around as was proved. I then had a sixth sense that Sven had mis-spent some of the money in the summer on players like Mills, even Beckford to a degree who has largely flattered to deceive but then Schmeichel, Konchesky, Danns and St Ledger balanced things up nicely and I still thought we'd figure in the play offs, easily.

Then when Sven was unceremoniously and prematurely sacked I was in a back to the drawing board frame of mind. However I was pretty pleased (as well as very surprised) when we got NP back off Hull in November after all the will he or won't he return saga. However, without wanting to be cynical here, I wonder if NP would have returned to us had the Thais not paid him £1 million up front into his bank account for the privelege? I know NP still has a lot of contacts and friends he left behind here when he was sold down the river by Mandy-rich but even so, I doubt he would've returned if the dangling carrot hadn't been shown him by the Thais and duly given to him. Despite not being able to get us back up to 6th after just the one week we spent in the play off frame in late Novemnber, I still don't believe NP should go though and he probably won't. You could probably get odds of 150-1 of us finishing 6th now this season and I very doubt that will happen - even if there is still that slim possibility with the teams between us and 6th still faltering every passing week. The trouble is we're still not capitalising. Assuming we finish where we are though then even the Thais will see NP probably needs a whole close season to revitalise the present squad, get rid of the deadwood, strengthen it where necessary and then hopefully the inconsistency bug will be stamped out on a more regular basis next season. If it's still the same in a year's time and we're no further on than 12th then NP definitely won't be about! - unless the Thais sell up first or something if they decide enough's enough.......

I agree with most of this. +1

[Guy]

I agree with most of this. +1

I know long paragraphs can be a turn off to most on here and I didn't mean to ramble on quite so much about the past two seasons perhaps but sometimes you have to be expansive to get your views across unfortunately, unless you're a wordsmith or something! All the same what I was alluding to in the main was that everything seems to have gone wrong since Pearson left two years ago after the gallant effort in the play offs and he should've really stayed at Hull rather than potentially blemish his managerial career should he end up with the sack from here. No manager wants that on their CV of course. He might still do what O'Neill did with us at this stage in 1996 this season (for all we know) but highly unlikely with the diet of players we have at our disposal - and with no Steve Claridge, Big Iwan, Izzett and Garry Parker to name a few from 16 years ago!

I'm not saying that about Nigel P. with hindsight but the experts often always say "never go back".......look away Kenny Dalglish!! I believe we should've got Dave Jones in last November, as much as I liked what Pearson did for us first time around, as said. DJ seems to be able to attract good, attacking players (that Cardiff side were very impressive I thought and I don't know how they didn't go up either last season or when Blackpool beat them after we succumed to them on penalties). How we didn't get the guy, I don't know. Either he didn't fancy it or the Thais didn't know enough about him.

[biggs]

yes ofcourse he is there to make the saves, but you missed my point of where we would be without those saves we would be nowhere near the position we are and would have lost so many more games... we would have been fighting relegation than trying to chase for a playoff place. take kasper out of the equation and pearson would have done worse than sven.

would love to see the stats of how games would be different if he let in 1/4 of everything he saved and see how the table would change

Off topic a tad but your argument is idiotic at best. If every keeper in the same division missed a 1/4 of their saves, where the hell do you think their team would be now? I'll help you out here. It may cramp your half-wit brain a bit, but don't you think we'd all be in similar spots to where we are now? If that's too farfetched for you to understand then as you like simple fractions, talk to your other half, maybe you can figure it out together?

wether kasper is good or crap or wether we'd be better or worse off with another keeper is not my point

ffs are you all dumb ?

we'd be closer to relegation without the saves and would have lost a hell of alot more matches and by now everybody would be calling for pearsons head.

i'm out of this thread till you mongoloids get a clue, pearsons crap and i dont see things chaning in the summer.. half of me is thinking of putting a bet on wether we will see fryatt in a leicester shirt again

Your attempt to insult people referencing mongoloids goes to show me what a low life you are: Go f**K yourself

[Babylon]

He has also had tow loan windows and despite playing a centre half at centre mid, a centre forward on the wing, and having no midfielders on the subs bench has not signed any loan players ....

a) what if we didn't have the budget

b) what if there was nothing of decent quality available

c) what if we tried and couldn't get them in. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Leicester-City-8217-s-plans-hit-injury-crisis/story-15599600-detail/story.html

d) the window was already closed prior to the Hull game

e) does the manager have a crystal ball to know he'd lose another midfielder for 4 games due to a silly red

It's all very well saying could have loaned people, but there is often a bit more to it than that.

[Guest Col city fan]

a) what if we didn't have the budget

b) what if there was nothing of decent quality available

c) what if we tried and couldn't get them in. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Leicester-City-8217-s-plans-hit-injury-crisis/story-15599600-detail/story.html

d) the window was already closed prior to the Hull game

e) does the manager have a crystal ball to know he'd lose another midfielder for 4 games due to a silly red

It's all very well saying could have loaned people, but there is often a bit more to it than that.

I've sat and read through pretty much all these posts for the past few days and made little comment.

My conclusion... You are wasting your time Babs and flogging a dead horse.

The strange this is this, IMO. If Pearson WAS to be sacked I think it would be met with a general view amongst fans of 'shame, but he shouldn't really have come back'.

However, there are STILL people pining for Sven!

I don't get it....

[Babylon]

You are wasting your time Babs and flogging a dead horse.

It's my forte.

[5waller5]

a) what if we didn't have the budget b) what if there was nothing of decent quality available c) what if we tried and couldn't get them in. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Leicester-City-8217-s-plans-hit-injury-crisis/story-15599600-detail/story.html d) the window was already closed prior to the Hull game e) does the manager have a crystal ball to know he'd lose another midfielder for 4 games due to a silly red It's all very well saying could have loaned people, but there is often a bit more to it than that.

Aren't you just describing the job of a football manager?? Of course there are obstacles ... the quality of the manager determines how well he overcomes those obstacles. To say we can't attract players is just confirming what we suspected would happen with NP - he simply doesn't have the pull factor.

It seems to me he's also losing the respect of his squad with the amount of disharmony and fall outs he's having with players.

[Babylon]

Aren't you just describing the job of a football manager?? Of course there are obstacles ... the quality of the manager determines how well he overcomes those obstacles. To say we can't attract players is just confirming what we suspected would happen with NP - he simply doesn't have the pull factor.

What on earth are you talking about, there is more to it than just asking a player if he wants to come. It's not bloody football manager.

[5waller5]

I've sat and read through pretty much all these posts for the past few days and made little comment. My conclusion... You are wasting your time Babs and flogging a dead horse. The strange this is this, IMO. If Pearson WAS to be sacked I think it would be met with a general view amongst fans of 'shame, but he shouldn't really have come back'. However, there are STILL people pining for Sven! I don't get it....

Yep, i agree ... you can be behind the manager, and I am, but to justify his performance as beyond criticism, you'll never convince me.

[5waller5]

What on earth are you talking about, there is more to it than just asking a player if he wants to come. It's not bloody football manager.

Exactly. the job of a football manager is to recruit the players he wants. He sells the club to them, he sells himself, he sells his coaching methods, his team, he sells the dream..... can you really imagine NP selling a dream??? Say what you like about Sven but he could attract a player we can't now attract and that's not entirely down to money - it's down to the salesmanship of the manager and the respect he has in the game (27 trophies) and to that individual player.

The players that respect NP are the "hungry young 'uns" and it's the type of player that NP knows he can command the respect of and manage .... it's why getting out of this division will be a long process if we stick by him, and one that will require alot of change still from the current squad. And it's why there's a limited amount of available talent as the pool is so small.

[Babylon]

Yep, i agree ... you can be behind the manager, and I am, but to justify his performance as beyond criticism, you'll never convince me.

No one is saying he's beyond criticism, but half the stuff on here is utter made up trash where people seem completely unable to grasp basic things. And to that end people will defend the manager against tripe like it.