DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 The bastard was found GUILTY, so he is GUILTY. Justice prevailed. End of story.
Haydos Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 The bastard was found GUILTY, so he is GUILTY. Justice prevailed. End of story. Classic you.
EcclesallOwl Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch Here's a bit of "banter" for all those naming a rape victim over the w/e; my office has printed off tweets, handing to Welsh police.
Captain... Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 The bastard was found GUILTY, so he is GUILTY. Justice prevailed. End of story. What about the bastard who also fvcked a girl too drunk give consent, but got off scott free, he even let his mate rape away while others watched from the window. Justice certainly didn't prevail in this case, 2 men both put their penises into an equally drunk vagina one was rape one wasn't, it doesn't add up. I am not defending Evans, or condeming McDonald, I just don't understand how McDonald being seen with a really drunk girl beforehand and taking her to his hotel, when she was described as being too drunk to give consent (i.e. make a conscious decision), makes him not a rapist. If there was a key bit of evidence it would be in a report, Evans did many things wrong night that, such as lie to the hotel reception to get the key, cheat on his girlfriend, sneak out of the hotel back entrance and leave the girl naked, drunk and on her own. But in the act of intercourse, he did exactly the same thing to exactly the same person in exactly the same state as McDonald. If she was 14 it would be rape for both of them, even if one of them was a perfect gentleman, took her out to dinner, bought her flowers and gave her the best orgasm of her life, and the other was a scoundrel who roughly did her from behind and didn't even finish her off. My point is if you are too drunk to give consent, you are like a child and you are being taken advantage of unable to give consent, there should not be mitigating circumstances, or are we saying it is ok to rape a drunk girl if you take her in a taxi to the hotel first, but not if you meet her there?
EcclesallOwl Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 What about the bastard who also fvcked a girl too drunk give consent, but got off scott free, he even let his mate rape away while others watched from the window. Justice certainly didn't prevail in this case, 2 men both put their penises into an equally drunk vagina one was rape one wasn't, it doesn't add up. I am not defending Evans, or condeming McDonald, I just don't understand how McDonald being seen with a really drunk girl beforehand and taking her to his hotel, when she was described as being too drunk to give consent (i.e. make a conscious decision), makes him not a rapist. If there was a key bit of evidence it would be in a report, Evans did many things wrong night that, such as lie to the hotel reception to get the key, cheat on his girlfriend, sneak out of the hotel back entrance and leave the girl naked, drunk and on her own. But in the act of intercourse, he did exactly the same thing to exactly the same person in exactly the same state as McDonald. If she was 14 it would be rape for both of them, even if one of them was a perfect gentleman, took her out to dinner, bought her flowers and gave her the best orgasm of her life, and the other was a scoundrel who roughly did her from behind and didn't even finish her off. My point is if you are too drunk to give consent, you are like a child and you are being taken advantage of unable to give consent, there should not be mitigating circumstances, or are we saying it is ok to rape a drunk girl if you take her in a taxi to the hotel first, but not if you meet her there? She knew she was going to have sex with McDonald. She did not know that she was going to have sex with Ched, nor did she give consent. That is the reason.
EcclesallOwl Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 It also seems that Ched's family have messed up their chances of a re-trial by releasing the name of the victim.
Daggers Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 Connor Brown and Kyle Bartley have managed to prove themselves to be utter cvnts on Twitter.
21st Century Fox Posted 23 April 2012 Posted 23 April 2012 Not sure how true this is, could be chinese whispers, as I read it on another board... A Mod on the Blades footymad forum proposed a minutes silence in the 9th minute for Ched Evans. If thats true
Captain... Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 She knew she was going to have sex with McDonald. She did not know that she was going to have sex with Ched, nor did she give consent. That is the reason. How? She was so drunk she didn't remember any of the encounter with McDonald. She could not remember travelling to the hotel, but woke up in a double bed. "My clothes were scattered around on the floor," she said. 'Confused and dazed' "I just didn't know how I got there, if I had gone there with anyone. I was confused and dazed." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842 If she had known she was going to have sex with McDonald, then why was he even tried for rape?
James. Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 Actually quite intriguing reading some of the posts in here. I can't help but think Shrappers (if you don't mind me calling you that) has got a point and the fact that Evans' involvement was arguably of a more sordid nature is why he's been sentenced and the other guy not. The only doubt is around information the jury had that we don't. Is it possible that some of the details of the case haven't been made public? For legal reasons maybe the press aren't allowed to report certain things?
Captain... Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 Actually quite intriguing reading some of the posts in here. I can't help but think Shrappers (if you don't mind me calling you that) has got a point and the fact that Evans' involvement was arguably of a more sordid nature is why he's been sentenced and the other guy not. The only doubt is around information the jury had that we don't. Is it possible that some of the details of the case haven't been made public? For legal reasons maybe the press aren't allowed to report certain things? You can call me whatever you like. Anything that the press wouldn't be allowed to report would normally be to protect the innocent, in this case the victim, but as she is anonymous, then there should be less restrictions on reporting, but I don't know, but surely anything crucial to the case can be reported even if details are not given. One of the reports does make reference to a "sexual act", according to Evans' statement she asked him to perform a sexual act on her (paraphrasing slightly) this sexual act may have been something more sordid than normal intercourse, and again make Evans look more depraved than McDonald, but they don't specify what the sexual act was.
Guesty Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 Have people been stupid enough to publish the victims name on Twitter? Thats a big no-no, sooner or later someones gonna get made an example of on Twitter or FB especially doing that. Shes entitled to lifetime anonymity, unless she gives it up.
Knowlesy10 Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 Not read most of the comments as its the same old stuff, He got 5 years, but will serve under 2 for good behaviour, its normally half for good behaviour but hes a footballer and has doshhhhhh Always been a player i have wanted to go far and on so many occasions has been linked with decent clubs... As far as im aware though, The girl was too drunk to say no? He shouldnt of done it in that case and what he done was 100% wrong, but she kinda brought it on herself? control yourself?
Captain... Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 The mirro's take on it is much more damning owards Evans, and seems to imply she went willingly with McDonald: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ched-evans-team-mate-brands-victim-801734 Evans is also quoted as saying this: Evans had boasted to cops after his arrest that he and McDonald “could have had any girl” they wanted in a nightclub they had been to. He told them: “We were drinking, having fun there. It’s not uncommon we pick up girls. Clayton’s an attractive guy. We are footballers, that’s how it is. "Footballers are rich, they have got money, that’s what the girls like.” The jury had heard Evans’ victim went willingly to the hotel with McDonald after she approaching him on a street corner in Rhyl, North Wales, a seaside town where the men had been on a night out. I still maintain if she could in her drunken state willingly agree to go to a hotel room and have sex (and this is not rape), then she could also willingly agree to have sex with Evans while she is there. There is no evidence that she didn't consent, just that she doesn't remember doing so. It is only her durnken state that makes this rape, not the actions of Evans and McDonald, there was no phtsical violence or even coercion involved, in summing up the judge says, she was clearly too drunk to consent to sex, and yet she was consenting to sex with Clayton moments before.
Daggers Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 The manner Sheffield Utd have responded to this and the actions of a number of their players and supporters leaves me hoping their entire season crashes and burns now.
Knowlesy10 Posted 24 April 2012 Posted 24 April 2012 The mirro's take on it is much more damning owards Evans, and seems to imply she went willingly with McDonald: http://www.mirror.co...s-victim-801734 Evans is also quoted as saying this: I still maintain if she could in her drunken state willingly agree to go to a hotel room and have sex (and this is not rape), then she could also willingly agree to have sex with Evans while she is there. There is no evidence that she didn't consent, just that she doesn't remember doing so. It is only her durnken state that makes this rape, not the actions of Evans and McDonald, there was no phtsical violence or even coercion involved, in summing up the judge says, she was clearly too drunk to consent to sex, and yet she was consenting to sex with Clayton moments before. Problem is nowadays, Its so easy to claim rape/prostitution/or cheating against a footballer, its become a normality in the last few years, I hope it teaches her a lesson atleast, if i go out drinking, i know when to stop. He shouldnt of done it either way... but as he said, he could get anyone he wanted (which in most cases is true bcause of the status)
Daggers Posted 26 April 2012 Posted 26 April 2012 Three people in Sheffield have been arrested in connection with the releasing of the victim's name. Good. I hope they are players and I hope they miss the Blades final match of the season. Wankers.
davieG Posted 28 April 2012 Posted 28 April 2012 The Mail Applause for a rapist: How fans of jailed footballer Ched Evans are planning grotesque show of support on live TV at match today Ched Evans will be remembered at Sheffield United’s Bramall Lane ground this afternoon with a round of applause in the ninth minute of the televised home game, and in the 35th minute. Why, at those precise moments? Well, Evans wore the coveted number 9 shirt for United and had scored 35 goals for them over the past season. The Welsh international was their star striker, the Wayne Rooney of the team. Terrace tributes such as staged clapping are normally reserved for giants of the game — great players or managers — who have recently passed away. Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1tKIJlMHk
Haydos Posted 28 April 2012 Posted 28 April 2012 Don't agree with it personally but all they're doing (you would hope) is thanking him for helping them possibly get back into the Championship.
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