Lifers

[Guest]

Not a bad wage at all when a TV costs a pound a week and you get board, lodgings and 3 meals a day for nothing.

No wonder the guy in the Stoke shirt said it was great and he'd rather be in than out.

Can you not see the benefit of giving men (& women) who have never worked, the chance to be in employment, and learn how to budget, save etc, and take responsibility for their finances?

To you, it's a perk, to them, it's a lesson in life.

No i didn't conveniently miss that part, but prison should be about punishment as well as rehabilitation.

See above.

Loss of liberty is punishment.

It's actually quite simple, I don't believe someone who has delibrately taken the life of another should be given perks for enjoyment purposes. I don't see why that is so hard to understand.

Is this all killers? Or just the nasty ones?

One of the prisoners last night said "why would i want to get out of prison, i have 3 meals a day, a roof over my head and a tv and playstation, if i leave prison i have to worry about bills and getting a job and all sorts"

Are you seriously telling me that is how it should be?

No. No it isn't. But isn't that a reflection on society as a whole, not the criminal justice and prison systems?

[Daggers]

Leese, don't.

Rattle the cage and you will be immersed in a world of stupid.

[Rincewind]

It just shows that life outside of prison should be better. Would you not rather be inside if you could not afford a home because of high rents, no prospect of a job and your family scrimping and saving just to live. Also if kids get a better education inside what does that say about the standard of edcuation in schools?

[Guest]

Leese, don't.

Rattle the cage and you will be immersed in a world of stupid.

It's a risk I am willing to take.

[MooseBreath]

Feel a bit sorry for the chap who strangled his wife. Seems like self defence, albeit from an emotional attack not a physical one. His wife seemed to be completely evil. He should have just walked away, but I can totally understand his anger.

Good on his daughters for forgiving him. I think I would forgive my father quite easily in the same situation.

[Guest MattP]

Can you not see the benefit of giving men (& women) who have never worked, the chance to be in employment, and learn how to budget, save etc, and take responsibility for their finances?

To you, it's a perk, to them, it's a lesson in life.

Is this all killers? Or just the nasty ones?

I agree, don't think I actually said it was a bad thing to teach them it did I? Where it comes across the balance of rehabilitation and punishment I don't know.

Surely the second line should depend on a lot of things from severity of crime to remorse shown to behaviour....

Feel a bit sorry for the chap who strangled his wife. Seems like self defence, albeit from an emotional attack not a physical one. His wife seemed to be completely evil. He should have just walked away, but I can totally understand his anger.

Yeah he chilled me a bit to be honest, can tell by his kids he was a fairly normal and decent man, great shame. I'm sure his situation was used in mitigation.

[Daggers]

It's a risk I am willing to take.

Don't come crying to me afters.

[Phube]

All these people who illegally download stuff, want cushy lives for prisoners... interesting!!

[m00nie]

Two and three to a cell. 23 hour lock down and a toilet.

I've been in many prisons throughout the UK in my career and I assure you, holiday camps they are not. It depends on the category and the agency who runs it.

not many prisons now days on 23 hour lock downs.. association, work, library, gym, exercise, chapel. = plenty time out the cell.. then with own tv, kettle, ( and extras like radios etc ) makes the time in the cell fairly comftable..

then as you say depending on category can be even easier, en suite shower and toilet, own cell, key to the door etc..

[Rincewind]

You'll be saying they have sex more than you next.

[foxfanazer]

You'll be saying they have sex more than you next.

They probably do but not the kind I'm into

[Captain...]

You'll be saying they have sex more than you next.

Alas they probably do right now

[MooseBreath]

It would be interesting to do an honest quality of life comparison between a jobless person living on benefits, an inmate at that prison, and an honest hard worker who is currently on a £10k - £15k salary and is doing everything in his power to improve his position.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if the results showed that the benefits scrounger has the highest quality of life, while the honest hard worker has the lowest. Such is the perverted world we live in.

[AdamN]

Wouldn't be at all surprised if the results showed that the benefits scrounger has the highest quality of life, while the honest hard worker has the lowest. Such is the perverted world we live in.

Even if that is the case (and even then it depends heavily on what an individual considers to be a good quality of life), if he/she is truly an 'honest hard worker', then their quality of life will no doubt improve later in life. The others' won't.

[Daggers]

It would be interesting to do an honest quality of life comparison between a jobless person living on benefits, an inmate at that prison, and an honest hard worker who is currently on a £10k - £15k salary and is doing everything in his power to improve his position.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if the results showed that the benefits scrounger has the highest quality of life, while the honest hard worker has the lowest. Such is the perverted world we live in.

I knew you were growing on me, you make me laugh.

[AdamN]

I knew you were growing on me, you make me laugh.

You surprise me, Daggers. If you were on a salary of £15k, wouldn't you rather be in prison? I know I would. Prisoners get budgies n shit. Most landlords don't even allow pets. Where is the justice???

[foxfanazer]

You surprise me, Daggers. If you were on a salary of £15k, wouldn't you rather be in prison? I know I would. Prisoners get budgies n shit. Most landlords don't even allow pets. Where is the justice???

Budgies and shit, oh the joy Only kidding, they have it far too easy

[Captain...]

You surprise me, Daggers. If you were on a salary of £15k, wouldn't you rather be in prison? I know I would. Prisoners get budgies n shit. Most landlords don't even allow pets. Where is the justice???

I was earning much less than that whilst teaching English in Spain, much much less than that, and as I sat on the beach sipping ice cold beer at 2 o'clock on a week day, watching ridiculously hot women walk by, I often found myself thinking wouldn't it be so much nicer in jail.

[AdamN]

I was earning much less than that whilst teaching English in Spain, much much less than that, and as I sat on the beach sipping ice cold beer at 2 o'clock on a week day, watching ridiculously hot women walk by, I often found myself thinking wouldn't it be so much nicer in jail.

Perhaps if you kidnapped some of those women you too could be enjoying a life of three meals a day and a television. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.

[Captain...]

Perhaps if you kidnapped some of those women you too could be enjoying a life of three meals a day and a television. Alas, it wasn't meant to be.

Well I managed to seduce a few, but now I am back in England and just have the odd pasty muffin top on a sweaty day to feast my eyes on.

[Guest MattP]

Well if this show wound you up don't watch "Gordon behind Bars" on C4 now.

Prisoners (or customers as they are referred to) at Brixton prison get a menu of 5 choices for their lunchtime meal.

[Captain...]

Well if this show wound you up don't watch "Gordon behind Bars" on C4 now.

Prisoners (or customers as they are referred to) at Brixton prison get a menu of 5 choices for their lunchtime meal.

Don't tell me that some of those choices include meat and or vegetables?

[Guest MattP]

Don't tell me that some of those choices include meat and or vegetables?

No a full menu, many options.

Have a watch, it's quite incredible actually.

I have got immense respect for anyone who works in prisons mind trying to get this lot to do something, I get annoyed when people can't remember simple formulas on Excel, I can't imagine what it must be like to have to try and teach Humans just this damn useless.

[Guest MattP]

and surprise surprise someone has already been caught nicking the food. lol

[Rincewind]

I'm watching a study of Macbeth on BBC Four. He was a bit of a murderer but because he was a king he only went mad and didn't have to suffer prison. A lot of annalising so was Shakespeare a physiological as well as a writer?