Animal rights

[Zingari]

:mad: :mad:

I think when oz uses the word evolution; he means it in the original sense, which just equates to a gradual or incremental change. eg motor cars can be said to have evolved , but this doesn’t mean that they have been subject to change in the evolutionary theory meaning .

The word evolution had a meaning prior to its use as a theoretical theory name .

Edited 5 October 2012 by Zingari

[Charl91]

Whats the opinion generally on fairly sourced fur ?

Bought a Rabbit Fur Russian style hat last year, its so warm and was fairly reasonably priced

If you eat meat I dont see why Fur would be such a modern, first-world taboo

I'm fine on fur, if it's a by product of animal was killed for food purposes (such as leather from cows, and I guess possibly rabbit too). Anything other than that though, I strongly dislike, especially the hunting of endangered species.

For me, there's a big difference between killing an animal for food and killing it so you can look like a tiger.....

Edited 5 October 2012 by Charl91

[ozleicester]

:mad: :mad:

I even put it in quotations.. especially for you.

I think when oz uses the word evolution; he means it in the original sense, which just equates to a gradual or incremental change. eg motor cars can be said to have evolved , but this doesn’t mean that they have been subject to change in the evolutionary theory meaning .

The word evolution had a meaning prior to its use as a theoretical theory name .

This

I'm fine on fur, if it's a by product of animal was killed for food purposes (such as leather from cows, and I guess possibly rabbit too). Anything other than that though, I strongly dislike, especially the hunting of endangered species.

For me, there's a big difference between killing an animal for food and killing it so you can look like a tiger.....

Interesting.. what exactly is the difference?

[The Doctor]

Interesting.. what exactly is the difference?

You get sustenance and part of your required nutrients intake from one, the other serves no purpose except to make you look like a twat.

[Zingari]

You get sustenance and part of your required nutrients intake from one, the other serves no purpose except to make you look like a twat.

How can wearing something hairy or furry make you look like a twat ?.....................Oh , on second thoughts , yes you’re right

[The Doctor]

How can wearing something hairy or furry make you look like a twat ?.....................Oh , on second thoughts , yes you’re right

If you want to look like a tiger, you're a twat - case in point:

[Zingari]

that's not what i meant

[The Doctor]

I didn't think so. Don't be saying bad things about the man purse - the american's went for it, although with less hair and a shit name (Fanny pack - really?).

[OzFox]

Im guessing you ate a lot of cow during the mid to late 80s?

Did you know that anyone that spent 6 months in the uk between 1980 and 1996 isn't allowed to give blood over here? Talk about paranoid.

[The Doctor]

Aah, fuck it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEdsQn5J21A

[acooling08]

Interesting.. what exactly is the difference?

Killing animals for fur is not necessary, there are cheaper and more suitable synthetic materials for clothing. I am strongly against the hunting of endangered animals like Tigers for their skins.

As for meat though, there aren't any alternatives that are anywhere near as tasty or as convenient. And the animals that we eat are never going to become extinct, and let's be honest, the cow would barely be a big loss to the world anyway; not in the same way as beautiful animals such as the Elephant or Jaguar.

[ozleicester]

Killing animals for fur meat is not necessary, there are cheaper and more suitable synthetic materials for clothing eating. I am strongly against the hunting of endangered animals like Tigers for their skins.

As for meat though, there are many alternatives that are as tasty or as convenient. And the animals that we eat are never going to become extinct, and let's be honest, the cow would barely be a big loss to the world anyway; not in the same way as beautiful animals such as the Elephant or Jaguar.

Fixed,

Got to be honest mate, this is hypocrisy at its highest level... no need for fur as there are alternatives = no need for meat as there are alternatives

A cows life is as valuable as a tigers

[The Doctor]

Fixed,

Got to be honest mate, this is hypocrisy at its highest level... no need for fur as there are alternatives = no need for meat as there are alternatives

A cows life is as valuable as a tigers

Not at all, there aren't synthetic alternatives to meat, certainly not at any sort of price that people not born with a silver spoon in their mouth could afford. As for the fur v meat stuff - meat is actually a part of the normal human diet (you argue otherwise and I will beat you to death with a biology text book), wearing fur isn't part of the normal human appearance.

[ozleicester]

Not at all, there aren't synthetic alternatives to meat, certainly not at any sort of price that people not born with a silver spoon in their mouth could afford. As for the fur v meat stuff - meat is actually a part of the normal human diet (you argue otherwise and I will beat you to death with a biology text book), wearing fur isn't part of the normal human appearance.

No need for Fur - there are alternatives

No need for meat - there are alternatives!

I have previously accepted it is part of the current human diet... but!!!... many years ago, wearing fur was a essential part of human life... we have "EVOLVED" past the need for fur... we have also "EVOLVED past the need for meat.

These last few posts have completely explained why veggie is the way to go.

[The Doctor]

No need for Fur - there are alternatives

No need for meat - there are alternatives!

I have previously accepted it is part of the current human diet... but!!!... many years ago, wearing fur was a essential part of human life... we have "EVOLVED moved past the need for fur... we have also "EVOLVED moved past the need for meat.

These last few posts have completely explained why veggie is the way to go.

There's also no need for vegetables, we've got alternatives. So why do you continue to harm poor, vulnerable plants?

Meat will always be part of the human diet, we haven't moved past it (stop using the word evolved, you sound like a simpleton) - because there's no reason to move past it. People used to wear fur because it was a by-product of collecting the meat - we don't wear it now because the meat we eat doesn't come from animals that have particularly usable fur, it's not that we've moved past it - it's that we eat different animals. If pigs had decent quality fur then we'd be using that (case in point - wool and leather).

No they haven't, and stop being such a sanctimonious prick, you're giving vegetarians a bad reputation.

Edited 7 October 2012 by LargeAl

[acooling08]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213977/Meryl-Ward-Happy-pigs-make-better-bacon-butties--toys.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DMail%2BOn%2BSunday%2BReporter

Progress - Pigs given toys to reduce their stress in captivity..

It just goes to show you that the videos showing horrific slaughterhouse conditions really cherry pick the worst shitholes for dramatic effect.

[Zingari]

http://www.dailymail...Sunday+Reporter

Progress - Pigs given toys to reduce their stress in captivity..

It just goes to show you that the videos showing horrific slaughterhouse conditions really cherry pick the worst shitholes for dramatic effect.

I don’t think there was any need to dress one up one of the piggies in green overalls and spectacles though .

That's just taking things too far !

[ozleicester]

There's also no need for vegetables, we've got alternatives. So why do you continue to harm poor, vulnerable plants?

Meat will always be part of the human diet, we haven't moved past it (stop using the word evolved, you sound like a simpleton) - because there's no reason to move past it. People used to wear fur because it was a by-product of collecting the meat - we don't wear it now because the meat we eat doesn't come from animals that have particularly usable fur, it's not that we've moved past it - it's that we eat different animals. If pigs had decent quality fur then we'd be using that (case in point - wool and leather).

No they haven't, and stop being such a sanctimonious ****, you're giving vegetarians a bad reputation.

Read the rest of the topic to understand my use of the word "evolved", you might note that i even put it in quotation marks in order to make it clear for the more confused readers.

There are alternatives to meat, that are inexpensive and of equal nutritional value.. and cruelty free.

The quoted comment made mention that the writer would not wear fur as there are alternatives, i was merely pointing out that alternatives were available for meat.

Do you even know what sanctimonious means? (perhaps refer first to a dictionary... then to a mirror).. if you read the majority of my posts i think you will find i admit to my failings and accept my imperfections

I do not speak for all vegetarians. If you are simple enough to take what one person says and label all others as being the same then i imagine you must lead a very interesting life...

http://www.dailymail...Sunday+Reporter

Progress - Pigs given toys to reduce their stress in captivity..

It just goes to show you that the videos showing horrific slaughterhouse conditions really cherry pick the worst shitholes for dramatic effect.

So you will be happy if i give you a playstation, a football and then kill you in 3 years?

The pigs in this story may well lead a more pleasant life... until they are killed... it is the killing that is cruel and unnecessary.

I don’t think there was any need to dress one up one of the piggies in green overalls and spectacles though .

That's just taking things too far !

That goes beyond animal cruelty

and... seriously...... the "'British Pig Executive" ahhh what nice folk, all concerned for the health and well being of pigs... where do i donate??

Some quotes from their website...

...."The English breeding herd performance is significantly poorer than our close European neighbours, resulting in a higher, less competitive cost of production. The challenge is to increase the born alive litter size by at least one pig per litter, and the number sold per sow per year by at least two pigs"

September Target 2TS

Target 2TS is a one-pager from BPEX with practical advice on improving pig performance to reach the Two-Tonne Sow (2TS) target.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110615095057/bpex.org/marketintelligence/data/publishedssi.aspx

They seem very focused on pig welfare dont they???

Now if we can only get some multicultural advice from the EDL's.... "British tolerance unit"

[ozleicester]

I dont even know where my thoughts are on this...The Crown of thorns is a native creature to the reef... however climate change is affecting its ability to grow and therefore destroy the reef...but... do we have the right to wipe out thousands of animals?

Not to mention what happens to the other creatures in the area? Not to mention the protiens are derived from cattle...wow

Monday, 8 October 2012

BRISBANE: Researchers have made a killer discovery that could protect the Great Barrier Reef’s most valuable coral sites from the destructive crown of thorns starfish.

A harmless protein mixture, used to grow bacteria in science labs, has been found to destroy the starfish in as little as 24 hours.

The breakthrough comes as new starfish outbreaks hit parts of the Great Barrier Reef and reef systems across the Asia Pacific.

The next step will be tests to show the protein is safe for other marine life, say researchers from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies at James Cook University.

If there are no adverse effects, the discovery will provide a far more efficient tool to control outbreaks at sites critical for conservation and tourism.

“A crown of thorns outbreak can destroy from 40 to 90 per cent of the corals on a reef and over the past 50 years it has caused more damage than bleaching,†researcher Dr Jairo Rivera Posada said today.

“There were massive outbreaks in many countries in the 1960s and 1980s and a new one is well underway on the Great Barrier Reef.â€

The lightbulb moment came when Dr Posada was on a beach with colleague Professor Morgan Pratchett at Lizard Island in the northern Great Barrier Reef.

Dr Posada wondered if the substance he was using in the lab to culture the Vibrio bacteria that naturally inhabit the starfish could give the bugs enough of a boost to damage their host.

The researchers rushed back to their tanks and injected five starfish with the media culture solution and were astonished when the starfish rapidly began to fall apart and die as the bacteria attacked them.

The solution had caused the bacteria to bloom and attack the starfish.

At the same time, the starfish suffered an acute allergic reaction to the unfamiliar animal proteins – derived mainly from cattle – used in the culture.

The bacteria also spreads under favourable conditions to other starfish that come near or into contact with an infected individual.

Extensive tank testing was needed before sea trials of the compound could be considered.

Currently starfish outbreaks at high-value sites are controlled by divers who inject them with poison.

The new discovery offered hope of a much more effective and efficient method, Prof Pratchett said.

“The protein solution needs only a single jab into a starfish, enabling a diver to kill as many as 500 crown of thorns in a single dive compared with 40 or so using the poison injection,†Dr Posada said.

Edited 8 October 2012 by ozleicester

[MooseBreath]

I'd rather have the reef than the starfish so I say kill them, kill them all.

[ozleicester]

I'd rather have the reef than the starfish so I say kill them, kill them all.

why?

[OzFox]

why?

Because the reef supports thousands of other species?

I would have thought the crown of thorns are effectively eating themselves out of a home. Somebody should tell them.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Just to upset Oz....

[MooseBreath]

Just when it looked like this thread might finally die as well

[The Doctor]

Just when it looked like this thread might finally die as well

So, you decided to complain about it not dying because someone posted in it, by posting in it?

Some good work there.