Animal rights

[Captain...]

Meatless Monday - get on board folks... its going to save the planet?

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/with-the-world-at-steak-eat-more-veggies-20121124-29zzs.html

With the world at steak, eat more veggies

Date

November 25, 2012

Proud carnivores Sam Neill and Sam Kekovich look away, a campaign to encourage Australians to eat less meat has been launched.

The initiative called Meat Free Monday is being fronted by the nutritionist Rosemary Stanton and the TV chef Janella Purcell and has received the backing of the entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson.

According to a study by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, fewer than one in 10 Australians aged 12 or over eat sufficient serves of vegetables. Nutritionists said changing the balance to eating more plant-based foods and less meat provided a much healthier diet.

Those who have already taken the Meat Free Monday pledge include the cook Maggie Beer, the former tennis champion Pat Cash, the TV chef Simon Bryant and Sir Richard.

"I love eating meat, but I love our planet even more, so I will join this campaign and stop eating meat at least one day a week," Sir Richard said.

A study published in The Lancet recommended that meat consumption should be limited to 90 grams per day. The National Nutrition Survey indicated that many Australians were consuming almost double that amount: on average, men ate 200 grams a day and woman 116 grams.

Dr Stanton said reducing the amount of meat consumed could greatly improve a person's well-being.

"There are strong health benefits to participating in Meat Free Mondays. Eating more plant food is good for us and health authorities around the world recommend against eating high levels of meat," she said.

"Dietary guidelines also recommend much smaller portions of meat than you'd find at a typical Aussie barbecue.

"By going meat free on Mondays, people can help to reduce their risk of chronic preventable conditions such as colorectal cancer and cardiovascular disease."

The campaign was launched by the environmentalist Jon Dee's Do Something! movement and the Fry's Family Foundation.

Mr Dee said the environmental benefits of eating less meat were clear, with the water needs of livestock far higher than those of vegetables or grains.

"People are not aware that producing one kilogram of beef can take thousands of litres of water," he said.

"By reducing our meat consumption we can reduce our environmental impact. According to the Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, our livestock industries are responsible for around 10 per cent of Australia’s total greenhouse emissions."

The campaign runs in more than 20 countries, including the US, Britain, Canada, Japan, Brazil, France and Spain.

Meat Free Mondays Australia has been launched by the not-for-profit Do Something! charity and the newly launched Fry's Family Foundation (the Fry's family runs the Meat Free Mondays campaign in South Africa).

The University of Technology Sydney’s Institute for Sustainable Futures is providing research support for the campaign.

I could get on board with this, so far only had some raisin bread and cranberry juice...

...hang on, you mean every Monday!!!

Fvck that!

It's a nice idea, I think it would take a bit more high profile publicity though.

[Guest MattP]

So far I've had two bacon sandwiches and 2 sausages.

I'm now putting a leg of lam in on slow cook for tonight's meal and I'm going to have a hot beef sandwich for lunch.

[BunkMoreland]

Hopefully meatless Monday catches on. Should provide for some good discounts on steak just before the supermarket closes on Sunday. Speaking of which, I'm in the mood for a homemade mixed grill tonight. I'm thinking lamb and beef steaks, a chicken breast, two sausages, a bit of black pudding, a pork chop, an egg and some chips.

Meatless Monday, how about no.

[purpleronnie]

Hopefully meatless Monday catches on. Should provide for some good discounts on steak just before the supermarket closes on Sunday. Speaking of which, I'm in the mood for a homemade mixed grill tonight. I'm thinking lamb and beef steaks, a chicken breast, two sausages, a bit of black pudding, a pork chop, an egg and some chips.

Meatless Monday, how about no.

I think you and Matt should get together and play with each others meat.

[BunkMoreland]

Maybe this thread can become the base of a foxestalk meat appreciation club. We can share pics of our meat etc

[Guest MattP]

Maybe this thread can become the base of a foxestalk meat appreciation club. We can share pics of our meat etc

Up for that.

[ozleicester]

I could get on board with this, so far only had some raisin bread and cranberry juice...

...hang on, you mean every Monday!!!

Fvck that!

It's a nice idea, I think it would take a bit more high profile publicity though.

wait...so a post on Foxestalk..isnt publicity enough??

[ozleicester]

Maybe this thread can become the base of a foxestalk meat appreciation club. We can share pics of our meat etc

Oh dear.... cue daggers

[ozleicester]

Watch at your Peril... and tell me that the eating of meat isnt cruel, when this is how it is put on your plate

http://www.abc.net.a...12/s3652525.htm

[Captain...]

Watch at your Peril... and tell me that the eating of meat isnt cruel, when this is how it is put on your plate

http://www.abc.net.a...12/s3652525.htm

Not my plate, don't eat much beef, and when I do it is British Beef.

[Houdini Logic]

Watch at your Peril... and tell me that the eating of meat isnt cruel, when this is how it is put on your plate

http://www.abc.net.a...12/s3652525.htm

Standing on ants is cruel but I'm sure you still leave the house to do menial things.

Leave people be

[Captain...]

Standing on ants is cruel but I'm sure you still leave the house to do menial things.

Leave people be

Disagree, I think we should be more aware of where our food comes from and how it is treated and eaten, we should be interested that cattle are being abused and mis-treated, transported long distances whilst still alive etc

Hence why I know that Israeli meat has not appeared on my plate as I take an interest in where my food comes from and so should you.

[Houdini Logic]

Disagree, I think we should be more aware of where our food comes from and how it is treated and eaten, we should be interested that cattle are being abused and mis-treated, transported long distances whilst still alive etc

Hence why I know that Israeli meat has not appeared on my plate as I take an interest in where my food comes from and so should you.

Talk about a tangent. Don't even think I can be bothered...

[Captain...]

Talk about a tangent. Don't even think I can be bothered...

The article from Oz you quoted in your post is about abuse of animals, not about killing and eating them, there is one thing farming and killing animals for meat, another is excessive abuse and maltreatment of animals in that process.

I'm going to guess you didn't read that article and watch the video.

So my post wasn't a tangent, but maybe yours was and that is why you think mine was.

[Guest MattP]

Watch at your Peril... and tell me that the eating of meat isnt cruel, when this is how it is put on your plate

http://www.abc.net.a...12/s3652525.htm

That's the care of animals, not eating meat. Big difference you seem to always fail to grasp.

[Houdini Logic]

The article from Oz you quoted in your post is about abuse of animals, not about killing and eating them, there is one thing farming and killing animals for meat, another is excessive abuse and maltreatment of animals in that process.

I'm going to guess you didn't read that article and watch the video.

So my post wasn't a tangent, but maybe yours was and that is why you think mine was.

Oz said eating meat is cruel. I said lots of things are cruel. You said people should care about where their food comes from.

To say it was a tangent was being polite. So by all means feel free to reply on topic to my original postor if not please do me a favour and don't bother to reply at all. I'm not looking for any more petty arguments

[Captain...]

Oz said eating meat is cruel. I said lots of things are cruel. You said people should care about where their food comes from.

To say it was a tangent was being polite. So by all means feel free to reply on topic to my original postor if not please do me a favour and don't bother to reply at all. I'm not looking for any more petty arguments

You posted in direct response to a point about excessive animal cruelty with in the meat industry telling oz you don't care. So I said you should care about the mistreatment of animals within the meat industry, even if it is vegan hippy like oz bringing to your attention.

The meat industry is cruel to animals however you slice it, but excessive cruelty in the meat industry should not be tolerated.

Not a petty argument, just saying we should be more aware of how our food is treated before it reaches our plate or do you disagree.

[ozleicester]

Standing on ants is cruel but I'm sure you still leave the house to do menial things.

Leave people be

You are right...

standing on ants is cruel...as a result... i try to avoid doing so and i encourage others to try do the same

Eating animals is also cruel...as a result...i try to avoid doing so and i encourage others to try to do the same.

You do know you are in a topic entitled "Animal rights" dont you?

That's the care of animals, not eating meat. Big difference you seem to always fail to grasp.

Do you think the carcass fairy creates the meat you find on your plate?

Ill try to make this very very clear for you... you cannot eat meat... without KILLING ANIMALS.

The killing of animals for your pleasure is cruel.

[Guest MattP]

Ill try to make this very very clear for you... you cannot eat meat... without KILLING ANIMALS.

The killing of animals for your pleasure is cruel.

Of course you can, you can eat an animal after it has died of natural causes, is that cruel?

I presume you would be ok with that as no cruelty has been involved in the process?

[Guest MattP]

and just to get a few of us in the mood for xmas.

[ozleicester]

Of course you can, you can eat an animal after it has died of natural causes, is that cruel?

I presume you would be ok with that as no cruelty has been involved in the process?

Not something i would choose to do.. but i dont have an issue with it, as long as there is no cruelty involved.

Oh and a quick mention about horse racing...

ahh the sport of kings and the much loved and well treated animals in that industry.

While millions of people were enjoying the recent melbourne cup... this horrendous abuse was occuring a few miles away.

************ WARNING*************** graphic, revolting and horrible video below.

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/laverton-knackery

I challenge anyone to watch that and explain how the racing industry inst cruel?

[Guest MattP]

Why do you keep bringing Australian/Israeli stuff up? Like I've said, we have our house in order on animal rights in Horse and Greyhound racing, procedures have been in place to years.

I love the way you write your stuff out, it's sounds like everythings been copuied and pasted from some mad far left animal rights magazine.

While millions of people were enjoying the recent melbourne cup... this horrendous abuse was occuring a few miles away.

For what it's worth I don't like the Melbourne Cup, it's a pretty shit handicap isn't it when you consider the prize money involved? Give me the Cox Plate anyday.

[Rincewind]

If you have a horse or greyhound worth thousands you are hardly going to illtreat it. Especially if you intend to breed them to sell the offspring at a later date.

Any that are mis treated will not be a success because they will have a bad temperment and difficult to train. They have to enjoy enjoy it and have a good relationship with thge owners/trainers.

[ozleicester]

Why do you keep bringing Australian/Israeli stuff up? Like I've said, we have our house in order on animal rights in Horse and Greyhound racing, procedures have been in place to years.

I love the way you write your stuff out, it's sounds like everythings been copuied and pasted from some mad far left animal rights magazine.

For what it's worth I don't like the Melbourne Cup, it's a pretty shit handicap isn't it when you consider the prize money involved? Give me the Cox Plate anyday.

I keep bringing up examples of animal cruelty, Unlike you...i dont really care where it is, or who is committing the acts of cruelty, i just bring them up so that people who may be unaware or ignorant will perhaps consider that they have the ability to change things.

and if the best you can do in regards to that video is make some piss poor attempt at humour , at least i know which category you fall into.

If you have a horse or greyhound worth thousands you are hardly going to illtreat it. Especially if you intend to breed them to sell the offspring at a later date.

Any that are mis treated will not be a success because they will have a bad temperment and difficult to train. They have to enjoy enjoy it and have a good relationship with thge owners/trainers.

You are correct, those horses or dogs that are considered valuable will be well looked after... BUT... watch the video, which shows how the 95% might be treated.

[Guest MattP]

I keep bringing up examples of animal cruelty, Unlike you...i dont really care where it is, or who is committing the acts of cruelty, i just bring them up so that people who may be unaware or ignorant will perhaps consider that they have the ability to change things.

and if the best you can do in regards to that video is make some piss poor attempt at humour , at least i know which category you fall into.

You are correct, those horses or dogs that are considered valuable will be well looked after... BUT... watch the video, which shows how the 95% might be treated.

How 95% might be treated? I don't even know where to start with that.