Animal rights

[Guest MattP]

If it can feel pain, then it's wrong to kill it. Many Animals are vulnerable, and if we take advantage of that by abusing and killing them for our own pleasure (for those who take pleasure in that, which I just can't understand), are we really much better than the people who do that to other human beings?

I mean at the end of the day it feels pain, it suffers in just the same way. Intelligence should not be the measure used for whether it's ok to kill something or not, it's there ability to feel pain or to suffer that's important. If you're saying it's ok because they're less intelligent then I'd love to know if you'd support the organised murder of less intelligent people as long as it's done in a 'beautiful' manner?

And Ironically humans in pain want the right the die.

You can't compare humans to anything, are you seriously suggesting a human life is of the same importance as an ant or a plant, this is ridiculous.

[Mark_w]

You can't compare humans to anything, are you seriously suggesting a human life is of the same importance as an ant or a plant, this is ridiculous.

I'm saying that if it feels pain it shouldn't be murdered, no matter what species it is.

[ozleicester]

And Ironically humans in pain want the right the die.

You can't compare humans to anything, are you seriously suggesting a human life is of the same importance as an ant or a plant, this is ridiculous.

All life has value, no, an ant isnt as important as a human... but that does not give us the right to kill an ant.. or a human

[Guest MattP]

I'm saying that if it feels pain it shouldn't be murdered, no matter what species it is.

So you don't believe a single piece of meat should be allowed to be eaten, despite it forming the base of the food chain and evolution for probably millions of years?

[Mark_w]

So you don't believe a single piece of meat should be allowed to be eaten, despite it forming the base of the food chain and evolution for probably millions of years?

If you don't have to then you shouldn't as far as I'm concerned and I certainly am not ok with people killing animals to do so.

[ozleicester]

So you don't believe a single piece of meat should be allowed to be eaten, despite it forming the base of the food chain and evolution for probably millions of years?

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[Guest MattP]

If you don't have to then you shouldn't as far as I'm concerned and I certainly am not ok with people killing animals to do so.

So the eating habits of the vast majority of the World since the start of time should be changed because a few lunatics don't think animals should be killed?

What about animals that kill hundreds of other animals, can we kill them to save more animals?

[Mark_w]

What about animals that kill hundreds of other animals, can we kill them to save more animals?

Sure, we'll start with you.

[Captain...]

I havent posted a sensationalised newsletter, check who posted what.

You were entertained... the torture of an animal EN TER TAINED you!!!

There is no explaining that..no understanding that... you watched an animal being tortured to death and you were entertained

Does it matter who posted it , the point is you are basing your opinion on second hand information, I will explain the bit I found entertaining, but it is quite long winded and I am supposed to be working.

The bull fight is split into 4 parts, the first 2 parts are about wearing the bulll down making it bleed and cutting the muscles at the back of it's neck to lower it's head. This part I don't agree with, the 3rd part is the main part and that is the matador face to face with the bull, at this point the bull suffers no further injury, this si the contest of man versus beast, this is the part where skill and bravery comes into it, the matador is not trying to kill the bull he is demonstrating his mastery and control over a wild savage animal. (Yes who has been speared and stabbed previously, the full meaning of all of this I don't really understand).

This part is impressive and yes I was entertained, like seeing any master at work.

The final part is the kill, this was the least pleasant as the bull is normally dealt a killing blow and made to stagger around until it dies, as mentioned before the headline act killed dealt a swift blow that killed it dead instantly, and he got a standing ovation for doing so.

Parts of it are unpleasant and I didn't enjoy them but I am able to view them objectively and see merit.

[Captain...]

Sure, we'll start with you.

Brilliant response

I will be back, but now I need to work.

[ozleicester]

Does it matter who posted it , the point is you are basing your opinion on second hand information, I will explain the bit I found entertaining, but it is quite long winded and I am supposed to be working.

The bull fight is split into 4 parts, the first 2 parts are about wearing the bulll down making it bleed and cutting the muscles at the back of it's neck to lower it's head. This part I don't agree with, the 3rd part is the main part and that is the matador face to face with the bull, at this point the bull suffers no further injury, this si the contest of man versus beast, this is the part where skill and bravery comes into it, the matador is not trying to kill the bull he is demonstrating his mastery and control over a wild savage animal. (Yes who has been speared and stabbed previously, the full meaning of all of this I don't really understand).

This part is impressive and yes I was entertained, like seeing any master at work.

The final part is the kill, this was the least pleasant as the bull is normally dealt a killing blow and made to stagger around until it dies, as mentioned before the headline act killed dealt a swift blow that killed it dead instantly, and he got a standing ovation for doing so.

Parts of it are unpleasant and I didn't enjoy them but I am able to view them objectively and see merit.

do you think its cruel?

[Guest MattP]

Sure, we'll start with you.

[Darkon84]

So the eating habits of the vast majority of the World since the start of time should be changed because a few lunatics don't think animals should be killed?

What about animals that kill hundreds of other animals, can we kill them to save more animals?

Its not worth it. That debate has gone round and round. Vegans/vegetarians/crusaders have simply evolved further than those that eat 'carcass'.

[Mark_w]

Its not worth it. That debate has gone round and round. Vegans/vegetarians/crusaders have simply evolved further have a stronger conscience than those that eat 'carcass' are responsible for the murder of innocent animals.

Fixed.

[Darkon84]

What a jolly nice, sanitised video.

While I'm sure those sheds are better than the norm, there's no mention of how they get the chickens to grow to full size in 7 weeks. In fact, they don't even show the fully grown chickens. They also don't show the transportation and slaughter. This might be why:

When the trucks arrive at the slaughterhouse, chickens are pulled from the crates and shackled upside down by their feet into metal stirrups on an overhead conveyor.. The conveyor carries them into the killing room where their heads pass through an electrified water bath intended to stun them. As they pass along further, an automatic knife cuts their throat, and then they proceed into a scalding tank to loosen their feathers before plucking.

Unfortunately things do not always run smoothly. Some birds lift their heads and miss the electrified water bath and they are therefore still fully conscious when they reach the automatic knife. Some birds may also miss the knife and are then lowered into the 50 degree scalding tank while still alive.

Don't want to upset the kiddies now do we.

When the trucks arrive at the legal, and inspected slaughterhouse, the chickens are placed in to restaints and sent on their way. One of the ways in which they are stunned along this track is via electronarcosis (waterbath stunners), which will almost always stun the chicken so it is unconcious. If for some reason, the chicken lifts its head (thats the chicken doing it, not a human, silly chicken), it is swiftly decapitated at the next point in the line. The chicken will not miss this before heading on to the next stage because of the way the equipment has been officially set up and checked. Boiling alive is not a legal way to kill a chicken in a UK slaughterhouse, so will always be avoided before moving on to the next stage. Alternatively, the chickens could be exposed to a nice dose of sleepy gas where they will fall asleep and have happy dreams and die whilst unconcious.

See, its all in the choice of words. A slaughterhouse is like a final trip to the fun fair for them

[Kitchandro]

Fixed.

I don't get it. Nature isn't murder. Animals don't get imprisoned or punished in any way for eating other animals so why should we?

[Darkon84]

Fixed.

Laughable and pathetic.

Do you make sure that every vegetable or fuit you eat has been 100% grown naturally without ANY pesticide or additional growing agent?

[Mark_w]

I don't get it. Nature isn't murder. Animals don't get imprisoned or punished in any way for eating other animals so why should we?

We (In most cases) don't need to do it, we're intelligent enough to be aware of the pain and suffering that it causes the animal. Animals feel pain, they suffer, it shouldn't be ok for a species that is at a point now that we are aware of the consequences of killing animals, to do so.

[21st Century Fox]

I'm a meat eater, but I was a vegetarian for about 10 years when I was a kid. What annoys me about most meat eaters is the flippant attitude to waste and excess. Ideally every city should have something like a large community farm, where you're given an animal to tend, you get trained to look after it and eventually slaughter it humanely. If you don't have the balls to take down your own food you don't get to eat meat.

[Guest MattP]

I'm a meat eater, but I was a vegetarian for about 10 years when I was a kid. What annoys me about most meat eaters is the flippant attitude to waste and excess. Ideally every city should have something like a large community farm, where you're given an animal to tend, you get trained to look after it and eventually slaughter it humanely. If you don't have the balls to take down your own food you don't get to eat meat.

Never understood that attitude, like giving a woman a coathanger and saying you can't have an abortion unless you do it yourself.

[Kitchandro]

We (In most cases) don't need to do it, we're intelligent enough to be aware of the pain and suffering that it causes the animal. Animals feel pain, they suffer, it shouldn't be ok for a species that is at a point now that we are aware of the consequences of killing animals, to do so.

I'm also intelligent enough to be aware that meat tastes good and life would be shit without it.

If animals were intelligent enough to outsmart us humans they wouldn't be eaten so easily. If they can't hack it I'm afraid they're going to have be lower down the food chain. That is nature, that is fair.

I'm not saying they should suffer or be tortured. But they are only being hunted like they do themselves and would be by other animals. That is nature, it's not cruelty, we as the most powerful species known to...well, man, should have the right to eat what we like.

If I wasn't eating meat, I'd be suffering. Why should I, man, at the top of the food chain, live with less just for a freakin chicken? If they're man enough to stop man, let them.

By the way, by the look of Waggy I bet he eats plenty of meat

[Mark_w]

I'm also intelligent enough to be aware that meat tastes good and life would be shit without it.

If animals were intelligent enough to outsmart us humans they wouldn't be eaten so easily. If they can't hack it I'm afraid they're going to have be lower down the food chain. That is nature, that is fair.

I'm not saying they should suffer or be tortured. But they are only being hunted like they do themselves and would be by other animals. That is nature, it's not cruelty, we as the most powerful species known to...well, man, should have the right to eat what we like.

If I wasn't eating meat, I'd be suffering. Why should I, man, at the top of the food chain, live with less just for a freakin chicken? If they're man enough to stop man, let them.

By the way, by the look of Waggy I bet he eats plenty of meat

[21st Century Fox]

Never understood that attitude, like giving a woman a coathanger and saying you can't have an abortion unless you do it yourself.

Not really. Abortions should be conducted under the right circumstances with the right level of education to make an informed choice. But that's a different argument all together.

This would be to make people appreciate what's gone into actually producing what they've eaten. Why would you object to killing an animal you wish to eat?

[Darkon84]

You have time to find hilarrrrrrrious pictures, but not answer my simple question. I shall repeat, in case you simply missed it.

Do you check that every piece of fruit or vegetable you consume has not been treated with pesticides or extra fertilizing agent?

[Guest MattP]

Not really. Abortions should be conducted under the right circumstances with the right level of education to make an informed choice. But that's a different argument all together.

This would be to make people appreciate what's gone into actually producing what they've eaten. Why would you object to killing an animal you wish to eat?

I think both situations call for the right procedures to be followed under the right circumstances.

Of course not, I have killed animals I've eaten and I will do in the future.