MooseBreath Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 Tigers hunt solo, not in packs. Oh, and you're a complete fucktard. Um mummy pls pls pls don't hurt the likkle lamb mummy no no no you can't eat it mummy look at its cute likkle eyes and its tiny feet aaawwwwwww its so cute mummy I want to touch it mummy its ok mummy don't worry i'll just reach out and pat the sweet likkle lamby on its heady head head and we won't hurt it mummy look at it mummy is so sweet and innocent mumm look I can stroke it ARRRRGGGHHHHHHH MUMMY LAMBY BIT ME THAT LITTLE BITCH BIT ME I MEAN WTF ARE U SERIOUS LAMB. LAMB WTF. YOU LOOK SO CUTE WHY THE **** DID YOU BITE ME OMG. LOOK AT YOUR ****ING EYES THEY LOOK SO INNOCENT AND YET I'M BLEEDING SETRIOUSLY WAT.
Captain... Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 Um mummy pls pls pls don't hurt the likkle lamb mummy no no no you can't eat it mummy look at its cute likkle eyes and its tiny feet aaawwwwwww its so cute mummy I want to touch it mummy its ok mummy don't worry i'll just reach out and pat the sweet likkle lamby on its heady head head and we won't hurt it mummy look at it mummy is so sweet and innocent mumm look I can stroke it ARRRRGGGHHHHHHH MUMMY LAMBY BIT ME THAT LITTLE BITCH BIT ME I MEAN WTF ARE U SERIOUS LAMB. LAMB WTF. YOU LOOK SO CUTE WHY THE **** DID YOU BITE ME OMG. LOOK AT YOUR ****ING EYES THEY LOOK SO INNOCENT AND YET I'M BLEEDING SETRIOUSLY WAT. Childhood trauma, that explains so much, it wasn't a lamb though was it, it was Jimmy Saville, and he didn't bite you did he? It's ok, you are in a safe place.
The Doctor Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 Shrapnel Um mummy pls pls pls don't hurt the likkle lamb mummy no no no you can't eat it mummy look at its cute likkle eyes and its tiny feet aaawwwwwww its so cute mummy I want to touch it mummy its ok mummy don't worry i'll just reach out and pat the sweet likkle lamby on its heady head head and we won't hurt it mummy look at it mummy is so sweet and innocent mumm look I can stroke it ARRRRGGGHHHHHHH MUMMY LAMBY BIT ME THAT LITTLE BITCH BIT ME I MEAN WTF ARE U SERIOUS LAMB. LAMB WTF. YOU LOOK SO CUTE WHY THE **** DID YOU BITE ME OMG. LOOK AT YOUR ****ING EYES THEY LOOK SO INNOCENT AND YET I'M BLEEDING SETRIOUSLY WAT. You really should have paid attention at school, so many mistakes in that: So: Little, not likkle. Seriously - no such word is setriously. Commas and full stops are a fucking great invention - try using more of them. "Why the fuck did you bite me?" is a question and so requires a question mark. What - not wat. Please - not pls. Capital letters should only really be used at the start of a noun, in acronyms and at the start of a sentence. You - not u. Oh, and who the fuck pets Charlton fans?
MooseBreath Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 Nice story on the BBC today about a farmer eaten alive by his pigs. DEFINITELY THE FARMERA FAULT. PIGS ARE WELL KUTE DEY WUD NEVA HURT NETHING.
The Doctor Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 Nice story on the BBC today about a farmer eaten alive by his pigs. DEFINITELY THE FARMERA FAULT. PIGS ARE WELL KUTE DEY WUD NEVA HURT NETHING. You mean this one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19796224 Y'know, where the investigation hasn't actually finished yet - and haven't determined that he was eaten alive, or that the pigs hurt him...
Darkon84 Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 I disagree. There are people that do actually care about animal rights without being in either camps. There seem to be three types of people. On one hand, the extremists who think that everyone should wear clothes made out of grass and that eating animals should be punished by hanging (The OZ's). On the other hand, there's the emotionless psychopaths here who clearly don't give a toss about animals in the slightest because they think humans have a god given right to do whatever the hell they like to animals (eg. people like you). Then there's the people who actually do care about animal rights, but actually have a realistic/less extreme approach to both sides. Sadly this whole thread has been filled with crazy and unrealistic utopian ideas instead of realistic discussion on how animal rights could actually be improved.... Spot on. I like to think Im part of the middle group, though I'm sure the Ozs' will disagree. Childhood trauma, that explains so much, it wasn't a lamb though was it, it was Jimmy Saville, and he didn't bite you did he? It's ok, you are in a safe place. Saville Shrapnel You really should have paid attention at school, so many mistakes in that: So: Little, not likkle. Seriously - no such word is setriously. Commas and full stops are a ****ing great invention - try using more of them. "Why the **** did you bite me?" is a question and so requires a question mark. What - not wat. Please - not pls. Capital letters should only really be used at the start of a noun, in acronyms and at the start of a sentence. You - not u. Oh, and who the **** pets Charlton fans? The whole 'Grammar Nazi' thing is getting pretty tired now Though I'll give you the Charlton/Lamby line
MooseBreath Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 You mean this one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19796224 Y'know, where the investigation hasn't actually finished yet - and haven't determined that he was eaten alive, or that the pigs hurt him... You're right. I shouldn't judge the pigs. They're probably all really nice and vegan.
OzFox Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 I disagree. There are people that do actually care about animal rights without being in either camps. There seem to be three types of people. On one hand, the extremists who think that everyone should wear clothes made out of grass and that eating animals should be punished by hanging (The OZ's). On the other hand, there's the emotionless psychopaths here who clearly don't give a toss about animals in the slightest because they think humans have a god given right to do whatever the hell they like to animals (eg. people like you). Then there's the people who actually do care about animal rights, but actually have a realistic/less extreme approach to both sides. Have I said anywhere in this thread that I'm a vegetarian? I enjoy mostly vegetarian food, but I'm still partial to the occasional steak or fish. I don't agree with factory farming, so I avoid their products and try and buy responsibly. In other words, free range, organic, line caught blah blah blah, It doesn't take much effort if you can afford it. I'm more concerned with conservation. Preserving what animal species we have left, because at the moment many are disappearing at a rate of knots, mainly through habitat destruction. Sadly this whole thread has been filled with crazy and unrealistic utopian ideas instead of realistic discussion on how animal rights could actually be improved.... Got any bright ideas then? For my part I donate to three animal charities (WWF, WSPA and Taronga Foundation). I fire off letters and emails to politicians both home and abroad. I sign petitions. I've edited documentaries on factory farming, whaling, over fishing, snow leopards, wolves, bonobos, and turtles. To summaries, I suspect I'm doing more than most.
OzFox Posted 2 October 2012 Posted 2 October 2012 Spot on. I like to think Im part of the middle group, though I'm sure the Ozs' will disagree. I'm sure you probably are. There is a fourth group however. Those who care but not enough to change their behaviour or try and do anything about it. I'd guess most of the population fit into this category. Must say I'm intrigued by Moosebreath's assertion that anyone who cares about the natural world is an abused child or a homo. I think he might actually be onto something. Just look at Attenborough, McCartney, the crew of the Sea Shepherd. Bill Oddie for Christs sake. Raving poofters the lot of them.
ozleicester Posted 3 October 2012 Author Posted 3 October 2012 I disagree. There are people that do actually care about animal rights without being in either camps. There seem to be three types of people. On one hand, the extremists who think that everyone should wear clothes made out of grass and that eating animals should be punished by hanging (The OZ's). On the other hand, there's the emotionless psychopaths here who clearly don't give a toss about animals in the slightest because they think humans have a god given right to do whatever the hell they like to animals (eg. people like you). Then there's the people who actually do care about animal rights, but actually have a realistic/less extreme approach to both sides. Sadly this whole thread has been filled with crazy and unrealistic utopian ideas instead of realistic discussion on how animal rights could actually be improved.... Crazy - I dont think so, just outside societies current norms Unrealistic - Today, yes... tomorrow and years from now, possibly... but in the future the ideas will be seen as logical and reasonable. Utopian - yup, ill agree with this In the same way that slavery is now seen as offensive and wrong, in the future, the eating of animals will be seen as wrong and there will not be a need for hanging as a civilised society will end it. As for how animals right could be actually improved....Unfortunately you dont seem to realise that as long as we kill them for our pleasure, we are removing their rights. I have seen from this discussion, many many people who clearly do have concerns for the treatment of animals and congratulations to everyone who does something to reduce an animals suffering, the reduction/ending of battery farm chickens etc is a fabulous step forward and that change is down to people like those on this thread who have said NO! We now need to accept that the treatment of battery farmed pigs... feedlot cows..etc etc. is wrong and must be stopped. These progressive steps are evidence of society realising that it is wrong...today battery hens...tomorrow feedlot cows....next week, an end to the eating of flesh?
Darkon84 Posted 3 October 2012 Posted 3 October 2012 Crazy - I dont think so, just outside societies current norms You're so 'out there', man. I bet you only listen to unsigned bands too. You know, to break free from societies norms and blaze a new trail. Unrealistic - Today, yes... tomorrow and years from now, possibly... but in the future the ideas will be seen as logical and reasonable. Utopian - yup, ill agree with this In the same way that slavery is now seen as offensive and wrong, in the future, the eating of animals will be seen as wrong and there will not be a need for hanging as a civilised society will end it. Can I borrow your DeLorean time machine when you're done with it? Or is it a Bill & Ted style phone box? As for how animals right could be actually improved....Unfortunately you dont seem to realise that as long as we kill them for our pleasure, we are removing their rights. Unfortunately, you dont seem to realise that the more you point fingers at non-vegetarians etc, the more harm you actually do to your cause. Raise awareness, yes, by all means, but to crusade the way you do and to beleive you are better than others for it (thats certainly the way you come across), is totally wrong. I wouldnt be surprised to see you burning down a McDonalds, whilst only wearing lettuce leaves, like some crazy Peta endorsing ****wit. I have seen from this discussion, many many people who clearly do have concerns for the treatment of animals and congratulations to everyone who does something to reduce an animals suffering, the reduction/ending of battery farm chickens etc is a fabulous step forward and that change is down to people like those on this thread who have said NO! I think the majority of people have always been with you there. Battery farms etc need to be rid of, and almost everyone on here agrees with that. The people simply saying NO, have probably done so to get a rise out of you, because just making conditions better and more humane (animal-ane? ) hasnt been good enough for you so far (until the end of your post below), and not even seen as a compromise. What you repeatedly ask for, is people to quit meat altogether, otherwise they are not civilized etc. We now need to accept that the treatment of battery farmed pigs... feedlot cows..etc etc. is wrong and must be stopped. These progressive steps are evidence of society realising that it is wrong...today battery hens...tomorrow feedlot cows....next week, an end to the eating of flesh? End of eating flesh? Not going to happen. Sorry about that. Though I'll think of you when Im involved in a waterways survey again and find that the eco system has been radically depleted and destroyed because of fertilizers and pesticides to grow happy smily vegetables and fruits
MooseBreath Posted 3 October 2012 Posted 3 October 2012 Had a lovely blue steak last night. Gushing with blood. Felt no guilt at all. I guess I'm just not as out there as ozleicester.
Darkon84 Posted 3 October 2012 Posted 3 October 2012 Had a lovely blue steak last night. Gushing with blood. Felt no guilt at all. I guess I'm just not as out there as ozleicester. I bet you listen to Rihanna and 1 Direction too? You're soooooooooo mainstream
ozleicester Posted 4 October 2012 Author Posted 4 October 2012 wow, some things really appear to upset some people, for no apparent reason. Yes, "outside society's norms" isnt this what you are all saying? Your hilarious time machine joke doesnt address the concept, but nice work on the attempted diversion. "Pointing fingers" - you do realise you have entered a topic about animal rights dont you?... the very first post says this is too avoid hijacking other threads. This is an animal rights topic, yes, we will be talking about animal rights! It may surprise you to know that this isnt all i talk about in my general life, in fact you may even notice i talk on other subjects here at FT. As for being better than others, in this area, i believe that yes, i am, im sure there are areas that you believe you hold a superior view or opinion, for example, do you know people who are sexist...do you consider your balanced non sexist opinion is superior to theirs?... when you see the EDL wrecking the streets and behaving like total fvckwits... do you shake your head and feel a tad superior? There are areas of my life in which i fall below what other people see as acceptable and therefore i accept that they feel they have a superior opinion to me...and guess what, they have the right to believe that. Burning Down Maccas - I disagree with Maccas for more than their meat policies, but again, my life is not all about animals rights....THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT THEM. So you may be amazed to learn that i dont spend every day protesting, i actually work a relatively normal job, live a normal life and on occasion do small things to try to improve the lot of the less fortunate. Not civilised - I didnt say that, i may have intimated "less" civilised but again, yes, that is an opinion i hold. Yes i want people to quit meat, im glad the previous 40 or so pages make that clear... what did you expect in an animal rights topic?.... pictures of rotting/burnt flesh posted by halfwits? I also dont support the use and more particularly the overuse of pesticides etc so im very pleased to know i will be on your mind often.
ozleicester Posted 4 October 2012 Author Posted 4 October 2012 Had a lovely blue steak last night. Gushing with blood. Felt no guilt at all. I guess I'm just not as out there as ozleicester. Im guessing you ate a lot of cow during the mid to late 80s?
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2012 Posted 4 October 2012 Had a lovely blue steak last night. Gushing with blood. Felt no guilt at all. I guess I'm just not as out there as ozleicester. I'm going to London on the 20th to see off Frankel in the Horse Racing at Ascot and everytime I come into this thread I get the temptation to book a meal at Goodmans, best blue steak in England.
Darkon84 Posted 4 October 2012 Posted 4 October 2012 wow, some things really appear to upset some people, for no apparent reason. Yes, "outside society's norms" isnt this what you are all saying? Your hilarious time machine joke doesnt address the concept, but nice work on the attempted diversion. Not an attempted diversion, just merely picking up on something that you claimed as fact. The way in which you say that in the future, people will not eat meat and a 'civilized society will see to it', implies that you know this as fact. Therefore you must own some form of time machine to know that as gospel. You even managed to get in something about omnivores/big bad meat eaters being less civilized again. "Pointing fingers" - you do realise you have entered a topic about animal rights dont you?... the very first post says this is too avoid hijacking other threads. This is an animal rights topic, yes, we will be talking about animal rights! It may surprise you to know that this isnt all i talk about in my general life, in fact you may even notice i talk on other subjects here at FT. Yes I am more than aware this is about animal rights. Though whenever they are addressed, or other people, myself included (and Ive said this all along) say that things need to be done in certain circumstances, you then say changes arent enough. Then you climb that massive ladder up on to your high horse and say thats not enough, they shouldnt be killed at all. Id go as far as to say that in most cases, when a farm etc is run properly, the animals have a better life than if they were in the wild. You do realise that there are laws in place for animal rights and safety on farms etc in this country, and while there will always be one or two idiots that ignore it, for the most part, they are run well, run legally, and run with animal safety and welfare at the forefront. Beleive it or not, not all farmers are evil, cackling psychopaths. As for being better than others, in this area, i believe that yes, i am, im sure there are areas that you believe you hold a superior view or opinion, for example, do you know people who are sexist...do you consider your balanced non sexist opinion is superior to theirs?... when you see the EDL wrecking the streets and behaving like total fvckwits... do you shake your head and feel a tad superior? And there lies the problem, you ACTUALLY THINK you are better than others. I, as a rational, well balanced human being, have the ability to form an opinion on a subject like this, yet still respect other peoples. When I see the EDL idiots, I just think that they are tossers. I dont think Ive ever actually looked at someone, had a small laugh to myself, thought 'Im better than you', and then walk off with a sense of superiority. Youd make an excellent racist There are areas of my life in which i fall below what other people see as acceptable and therefore i accept that they feel they have a superior opinion to me...and guess what, they have the right to believe that. No one in life is perfect, no one can be the best at EVERYTHING, its part of being human, theres nothing wrong with that. Burning Down Maccas - I disagree with Maccas for more than their meat policies, but again, my life is not all about animals rights....THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT THEM. So you may be amazed to learn that i dont spend every day protesting, i actually work a relatively normal job, live a normal life and on occasion do small things to try to improve the lot of the less fortunate. Fair play to you for helping the less fortunate. Kudos to you, sir. But ask yourself, do you do it because you really care, or do you do it because you think only you can do it, as you are far more civilized and superior? You must be, surely? If you are in a better position than those you help? Not civilised - I didnt say that, i may have intimated "less" civilised but again, yes, that is an opinion i hold. Yes i want people to quit meat, im glad the previous 40 or so pages make that clear... what did you expect in an animal rights topic?.... pictures of rotting/burnt flesh posted by halfwits? I actually expected a thread on animal rights, rather than preaching that the eating of meat is wrong. As said before, any time laws have been stated, or a video posted showing changes to modern farming, its simply rubbished away. I also dont support the use and more particularly the overuse of pesticides etc so im very pleased to know i will be on your mind often. Thats good to hear. Id like a guarentee none of your veg or fruit has been treated with sprays along the line though, otherwise you are just condoning killing, like the rest of us vicious beasts I'm going to London on the 20th to see off Frankel in the Horse Racing at Ascot and everytime I come into this thread I get the temptation to book a meal at Goodmans, best blue steak in England. I have heard similar before, but have yet to experience the taste sensation
ozleicester Posted 5 October 2012 Author Posted 5 October 2012 I think you will find that i am stating an opinion, surely i dont have type an "imo" in front of every comment? This is a discussion board and it works on opinion, clearly if i am talking about the future i am expressing an opinion only a fool would assume otherwise. Im not on a high horse, again i am stating an opinion, if it disturbs or upsets you, dont read it. You and others do not address my OPINION of the basic fundamental right of animals, which is... to not be killed for my pleasure. No matter how "well run" farms etc are... in the end... the animal is killed before its time... and that (sigh, IMO) is cruel and wrong. At no point have i said that others are not entitled to an opinion, and i most certainly respect the right of others to hold them, if i happen to not agree with them, so be it, i will say so, it doesnt mean i expect them to change theirs. "And there lies the problem, you ACTUALLY THINK you are better than others. I, as a rational, well balanced human being, have the ability to form an opinion on a subject like this, yet still respect other peoples. When I see the EDL idiots, I just think that they are tossers. I dont think Ive ever actually looked at someone, had a small laugh to myself, thought 'Im better than you', and then walk off with a sense of superiority. Youd make an excellent racist This is so wrong on so many levels, if you dont think you are better than some others, you need to get your self checked out... are you better than, a child molester?... a murderer?.. a rapist? etc..etc etc.... grow some balls and accept you are, and you have a right be to be, your actions make you who you are. Dont be scared to admit it. A racist? .. you idiot, do you even understand the definition?... 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. In very simplistic terms...my opinion of another person is based on their actions. My opinion that i am better than some others in some areas, does not therefore make me a better person, i have no doubt there are millions of meat loving people, doing a great deal more for the world than me, im glad there are and i acknowledge they are better people than me. I help people, animals.. whoever.. because.. (IMO)... it is the right thing to do... and i am able to, thats all. (you perhaps need to look at your self esteem issues if the reasons youve mentioned are why you think people help the less fortunate) The fundamental animal right (IMO) is the right to life, to not be killed for my pleasure, modern farming has improved, new laws have been introduced... but the animals still get killed! Im not preaching, FFS im not in other threads talking about it, im not putting horrific pictures of animal cruelty in every second topic. Im in a topic ABOUT animal rights, expressing my opinion, if you dont like it, cant deal with it, dont read it! the pesticide issue is without doubt a concern, we do try to buy organic where possible, but again perfection isnt really achievable at the moment.... perhaps in time As i have said time and again in the topic, the progression toward a vegetarian society is a long, long trip and ill never see the result, but (IMO) in the same way we have seen society progress to give rights to those that in the past didnt have them, I believe that one day we will do the same for animals. I dont believe we have the right to kill another creature for our pleasure. I also dont understand why some people seem to get so personal about this, is the even "slightest" possibility of eating less meat a threat to you?
Guest MattP Posted 5 October 2012 Posted 5 October 2012 I have heard similar before, but have yet to experience the taste sensation I'd recommend to anyone if you are down in London, it's actually quite cheap for Mayfair as well. Pay about 25 quid for a real top of the range piece of meat.
Jaspa Posted 5 October 2012 Posted 5 October 2012 Whats the opinion generally on fairly sourced fur ? Bought a Rabbit Fur Russian style hat last year, its so warm and was fairly reasonably priced If you eat meat I dont see why Fur would be such a modern, first-world taboo
Zingari Posted 5 October 2012 Posted 5 October 2012 Whats the opinion generally on fairly sourced fur ? Bought a Rabbit Fur Russian style hat last year, its so warm and was fairly reasonably priced If you eat meat I dont see why Fur would be such a modern, first-world taboo has it still got the ears sticking up ?
FoxesAreBlue Posted 5 October 2012 Posted 5 October 2012 Plus 1'nd you there Oz, I'm personally not a vegetarian and can pretty much guarantee I never will be however you do make a reasoned and sensible argument.
Zingari Posted 5 October 2012 Posted 5 October 2012 Hi again oz My thought for today . You say you are putting forward your opinions and don’t mind others having theirs and are free to disagree, and I believe you mean that. But hypothetically, if your ideals become more accepted as mainstream, would you consider using legislation against anyone who remained a meat eater? By that, I mean would you intend giving animal rights in the sense of legal rights, or would it always be a voluntary choice. My opinion would be in such a scenario, that should veggies ever be in such a position , they would enforce laws against it .But what's yours ?
ozleicester Posted 5 October 2012 Author Posted 5 October 2012 Whats the opinion generally on fairly sourced fur ? Bought a Rabbit Fur Russian style hat last year, its so warm and was fairly reasonably priced If you eat meat I dont see why Fur would be such a modern, first-world taboo I agree, whats the difference between using fur or using meat? Having said that... im opposed to the use of fur obviously Plus 1'nd you there Oz, I'm personally not a vegetarian and can pretty much guarantee I never will be however you do make a reasoned and sensible argument. Cheers Hi again oz My thought for today . You say you are putting forward your opinions and don’t mind others having theirs and are free to disagree, and I believe you mean that. But hypothetically, if your ideals become more accepted as mainstream, would you consider using legislation against anyone who remained a meat eater? By that, I mean would you intend giving animal rights in the sense of legal rights, or would it always be a voluntary choice. My opinion would be in such a scenario, that should veggies ever be in such a position , they would enforce laws against it .But what's yours ? Hi Zing... damn you and your difficult questions In my lifetime...(and probably that of my child), i would not ask for, nor expect a law to be enacted or enforced. To me its a long "evolutionary" process, I can imagine it along the lines of the anti smoking brigade, encouraging but not forcing
Captain... Posted 5 October 2012 Posted 5 October 2012 I agree, whats the difference between using fur or using meat? Having said that... im opposed to the use of fur obviously Cheers Hi Zing... damn you and your difficult questions In my lifetime...(and probably that of my child), i would not ask for, nor expect a law to be enacted or enforced. To me its a long "evolutionary" process, I can imagine it along the lines of the anti smoking brigade, encouraging but not forcing :mad: :mad:
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