Breivik jailed

[Captain...]

Once again you fail to actually read what was said - the joy of martyrdom

He gets made into a martyr through state-endorsed murder (that's all the death penalty is, hypocritical shit) and, really, it does him a lot more good in terms of his ideology than just rotting in jail.

In this case I would disagree, he is not like Bin Laden, and mainly acted alone so doesn't have many followers as such, since the killings he has gained more notoriety but I have not heard of any groups coming out in support of him and what he stands for, so I don't think he would become a martyr, I think dead he will just disappear from our minds, alive then it will all get dragged up again in 10 years time when he makes his first appeal, then again in 11 years later, and then every 5 years after that when he has his appeal rejected, by that time he could have gained more followers and support.

I would have given him the Bin Laden treatment, go in there, shout "He's got a gun!" and shoot him. No messy trial broadcast through the media just a swift end to a man and his fvcked up ideals.

Of course now if they wanted to kill him as punishment, then you are talking a huge change to a political and legal philosophy that has stood for a long time in most civilised countries, he cannot be sentenced to death because he would gain more support in that it would be bringing back capital punishment, which most people don't support, even in special cases.

[Rincewind]

There will no doubt be a film made about him at some point. A look into his childhood and influences that led him on the path he took.

[21st Century Fox]

He makes some good points in amongst the parts about the U.S.

[Haydos]

Correct verdict I think, not every mass murderer is insane like everyone seems to assume. People I know call him psychotic and a psychopath, presuming they're the same thing. I really don't think he is psychotic, as I doubt he is hearing voices in his head.

[OriginalRobboFOX]

He has the same human rights as anybody else.

He waived his human rights when he trampled over his victims human rights surely??

[purpleronnie]

He waived his human rights when he trampled over his victims human rights surely??

no.

[Charl91]

He gets made into a martyr through state-endorsed murder (that's all the death penalty is, hypocritical shit) and, really, it does him a lot more good in terms of his ideology than just rotting in jail.

Becoming a martyr is fairly irrelevant though if you don't have any followers.

[21st Century Fox]

Becoming a martyr is fairly irrelevant though if you don't have any followers.

Unless that's the impetus needed to gain him followers.

[Rincewind]

If I was going down the Martyr route I would rather have a few followers before I sacrifice myself for a cause.

[BoneDog]

No doubt he'll have his tv and newspaper interviews after languishing in prison for a number of years. More publicity that'll be for him.

Deserves a death sentence and that's what he would have had by now if he wasn't whisked away to safety.

The only positive that may come out of keeping him alive is that we might get some names of others who were involved in planting the bombs or something, but I doubt it. Other kinds of men like him need a strong warning that says if they do something like this they're going to pay. The other psychos out there will see this trial and publicity (plus the future publicity) and might even be encouraged to do something similar for the same 'fame'. I don't see how they'd be put off at all.

[21st Century Fox]

[The Doctor]

No doubt he'll have his tv and newspaper interviews after languishing in prison for a number of years. More publicity that'll be for him.

Deserves a death sentence and that's what he would have had by now if he wasn't whisked away to safety.

The only positive that may come out of keeping him alive is that we might get some names of others who were involved in planting the bombs or something, but I doubt it. Other kinds of men like him need a strong warning that says if they do something like this they're going to pay. The other psychos out there will see this trial and publicity (plus the future publicity) and might even be encouraged to do something similar for the same 'fame'. I don't see how they'd be put off at all.

How the hell do you work that out given Norway, being a civilised country, doesn't have any form of death sentence?

[BoneDog]

How the hell do you work that out given Norway, being a civilised country, doesn't have any form of death sentence?

I said he 'deserves' (in italics) a death sentence, which I think he does. Do you not think he'd have been killed by now if he wasn't safely locked up? That's what I meant in the sentence you highlighted.

I'm not being brutal, I don't want him chopped up, just shot once.

His crime was way off the scale of evil. He killed many innocent and random people, including many children, so I think he deserves it. No tv, newspaper or magazine interviews. No more meals or nice warm comfy nights in a bed.

That said, I would settle for life in a hard labour camp for him, but that's not going to happen. He's going to be pampered, and psychologists are going to ask him if he wants to talk about it after his dinner. I'd rather those psychiatrists and whatnot spend their time helping somebody who is a little more deserving and in need of help.

[21st Century Fox]

I said he 'deserves' (in italics) a death sentence, which I think he does. Do you not think he'd have been killed by now if he wasn't safely locked up? That's what I meant in the sentence you highlighted.

I'm not being brutal, I don't want him chopped up, just shot once.

His crime was way off the scale of evil. He killed many innocent and random people, including many children, so I think he deserves it. No tv, newspaper or magazine interviews. No more meals or nice warm comfy nights in a bed.

That said, I would settle for life in a hard labour camp for him, but that's not going to happen. He's going to be pampered, and psychologists are going to ask him if he wants to talk about it after his dinner. I'd rather those psychiatrists and whatnot spend their time helping somebody who is a little more deserving and in need of help.

But they'd be more than likely learning from him as well.

[BoneDog]

But they'd be more than likely learning from him as well.

I've thought about that but couldn't see how it could be turned into a positive. What kind of things would they be looking to learn?

I can understand that many people can be rehabilitated, but can't understand why we would want to try to rehabilitate these ultra-extreme types once they've done something so terrible.

[21st Century Fox]

I've thought about that but couldn't see how it could be turned into a positive. What kind of things would they be looking to learn?

I can understand that many people can be rehabilitated, but can't understand why we would want to try to rehabilitate these ultra-extreme types once they've done something so terrible.

I can't imagine they're too fused about rehabilitation, that's why they allowed him talk so much during the trial, so they'd always have him on record and his lack of remorse to point to.

I'd imagine they'd be building up a detailed profile of his entire life and analysing it to work out the early warning signs for others that may go down his path. My sisters a Behavioural Psychologist and they're always moving towards preventative measures with pretty much everything they do.

[BoneDog]

I can't imagine they're too fused about rehabilitation, that's why they allowed him talk so much during the trial, so they'd always have him on record and his lack of remorse to point to.

I'd imagine they'd be building up a detailed profile of his entire life and analysing it to work out the early warning signs for others that may go down his path. My sisters a Behavioural Psychologist and they're always moving towards preventative measures with pretty much everything they do.

There's obviously alot more involved in that business than I give it credit for I suppose, however I'm not sure what to think of this 'early warning sign' and 'preventative measures' stuff. It all sounds a bit like we could end up with a Minority Report type police prevention unit!

How long does it take them to build up a detailed profile of his life and would he then be of no more use to the psychologists? I'm just trying to create a scenario where we could say, "Ok we'll give the psychology teams two years to talk to him and then it's off to hard labour camp (if we're being lenient)"!

[21st Century Fox]

I thinks all to do with patterns of behaviour that enable police to pick up on things they may usually dismiss, that sort of thing but I doubt it's as simple as that. I can't imagine it would get to a minority report type stage anytime soon.

I've now idea how long it takes, I guess it depends on the case and how willing they are to be studied.

[Rincewind]

They probably have to get on the 'good' side of the subject. Build a relationship so the talk freer. I would say it's a long term thing with them having to re-evalulate the results.

[ADK]

I love how people get outraged about another country with a clearly better prison system dealing with one of their own nationals.