Captain... Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 I doubt they would risk it. That was my point really, how can you cure someone who can wilfully make themselves sick again.
Finnegan Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 I say again, he is psychotic, he won't be rehabilitated. He may be studied but nobody is going to try and "cure" him. A sociopath that claims they aren't is still a sociopath. Rehabilitation and therapy may be beneficial for minor sex offenders, youth offenders, petty criminals, the paranoid or those with lesser mental illness but it's a complete myth that "liberal" psychiatrists think they can fix mass murderers and serial killers.
breadandcheese Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 For someone like Breivik, that sentence is too lenient. Personally, I'd like to see him get the same punishment as some of his idols (I'm thinking the punishments meted out by the Nuremberg trials).
21st Century Fox Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 One of the reasons Breivik's attacks were presented in such graphic detail during the trial was so that the horror of Oslo and Utøya would be well-documented for the day Breivik asks to be released.
1964FOX Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Not sure about their legal system but our lifers who are a threat to society are kept in as they are refused parole time after time and as they are still alive by definition have not completed their sentance. This monster has a pre-determined maximim sentance so I would image he will be free after 21 years. He will still be youngish at this time and I have no doubt he would re offend, he clearly believes he was right doing what he did and would not hesitate to do so again. Being found sane could eventually come back and assist his release no wonder he gave a slight smile when being sentanced.
The Doctor Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Not sure about their legal system but our lifers who are a threat to society are kept in as they are refused parole time after time and as they are still alive by definition have not completed their sentance. This monster has a pre-determined maximim sentance so I would image he will be free after 21 years. He will still be youngish at this time and I have no doubt he would re offend, he clearly believes he was right doing what he did and would not hesitate to do so again. Being found sane could eventually come back and assist his release no wonder he gave a slight smile when being sentanced. I don't think so, it's 21 years then after that he only remains in if he's still considered a danger to society by the psychologists and what not dealing with him. He's not getting out, he's not ever going to be considered safe to return to society.
1964FOX Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 I don't think so, it's 21 years then after that he only remains in if he's still considered a danger to society by the psychologists and what not dealing with him. He's not getting out, he's not ever going to be considered safe to return to society. Yes hopefully that's the way it will work and there's not any human rights loophole.
Rincewind Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Left Liberalism is a conflict in terms. Far left and Liberal are not the same in the same way right and fascis is. There are many in the Tory party that agree with rehabilitation. It does not mean that they have got away with the crime but they have been punished by depriving them of their liberty then returning them better educated and more able to fit in with society. If a young man is refused a job because he has bad reading and numarcy skills and commits a house breaking for money, sent to prison then released after a year he will still be refused the job. But if whilst in prison he is taught to read and other skills when he is released he will be able to apply and maybe offered the job. Now why is that so hard to understand or why is it wrong? I know which version of the young man I would prefer.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Right. Time to sweep the myths away (not that this will get any attention paid to.) MAXIMUM SENTENCE IN NORWEGIAN LAW = 21 years. At which point, he will be reviewed and, if considered to be a danger to society (whatever that means - I'm pretty sure there are plenty FT posters who are a danger to society) he will be imprisoned for a further 5 years. At which point, he will be reviewed and, if considered to be a danger to society (whatever that means - I'm pretty sure there are plenty FT posters who are a danger to society) he will be imprisoned for a further 5 years. No, I didn't repeat myself - this carries on every 5 years. However, after 10 years of his sentence, he can appeal and he will be reviewed as to whether he is a danger (you guessed it!) to society. The appeal in this case would be almost certain to fail (there's no doubt as to his guilt - just his mental state.) Chances are he's never going to get out and as bmt said on the first page, he'd probably be killed as soon as he was let out. With the number of victims, he's created a lot of people with vendettas*. I don't claim to be an expert on Norwegian law, I just pay attention to the news. * This is not a kind of ice cream**. ** Or motor scooter.
Rincewind Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 That seems a sensible viewpoint and scenario based on logic. No speculation and fear mongering.
Apollo Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Correct verdict I think, not every mass murderer is insane like everyone seems to assume. People I know call him psychotic and a psychopath, presuming they're the same thing. I really don't think he is psychotic, as I doubt he is hearing voices in his head.
Tielemans63 Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Right. * This is not a kind of ice cream**. ** Or motor scooter.
Finnegan Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Correct verdict I think, not every mass murderer is insane like everyone seems to assume. People I know call him psychotic and a psychopath, presuming they're the same thing. I really don't think he is psychotic, as I doubt he is hearing voices in his head.
Guest MattP Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Could all be right but none of us can predict the future, I'm sure their are things 20 years ago we would never believe would happen that happen now. Who says he can't reform? No one holds the same political views, if he feels completely different and totally regretful in 20 years time I don't see why he shouldn'y be released to put something back into society.
21st Century Fox Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 He was delighted as he said being declared insane was worse than death, sees himself as a political prisoner. Norway is that Liberal he might just get out one day.... Could all be right but none of us can predict the future, I'm sure their are things 20 years ago we would never believe would happen that happen now. Who says he can't reform? No one holds the same political views, if he feels completely different and totally regretful in 20 years time I don't see why he shouldn'y be released to put something back into society. Are you disparaging the liberalness of the Norwegian legal system or advocating the chance of reform, rehabilitation and release? Not having a go, I just don't see how those two comments fit.
Guest MattP Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Are you disparaging the liberalness of the Norwegian legal system or advocating the chance of reform, rehabilitation and release? Not having a go, I just don't see how those two comments fit. No worries, the first comment wasn't meant as an insult if it sounded like it. I was using Norway being Liberal as a comparison to how most of the countries in the World would treat a man who had behaved like Anders.
acooling08 Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Like somebody said earlier, he should hang like his idols did at the Nuremburg trials.
shen Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 Like somebody said earlier, he should hang like his idols did at the Nuremburg trials. Should have had the death penalty. And give him the joy of 'martyrdom'? Let him rot and become truly insane, weeping in the misery of his loneliness, I say... Could all be right but none of us can predict the future, I'm sure their are things 20 years ago we would never believe would happen that happen now. Who says he can't reform? No one holds the same political views, if he feels completely different and totally regretful in 20 years time I don't see why he shouldn'y be released to put something back into society. You don't see why he shouldn't be released? Not only will they have to judge whether he's a 'danger to society' as Trav eloquently puts it, but they also have to judge his own safety upon release. If there are grounds to suspect retaliation from society, they won't release him. He's effectively locked up for life this way...
acooling08 Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 And give him the joy of 'martyrdom'? Let him rot and become truly insane, weeping in the misery of his loneliness, I say... After I posted that, I went on Wiki to read in greater detail about those who were executed. Does this sound like 'joy' to you? Taken from 'Wilhelm Keital', 1 of the high ranking Nazi officials executed. The execution was performed by the experienced American Army hangman, Sgt. John C. Woods. The length for the rope used for the execution was calculated in such a way that Keitel did not die quickly from a broken neck, but "agonizingly from slow strangulation, struggling for 24 minutes at the end of the rope before expiring." The reason for the facial blood stains seen in the photo of Keitel's corpse were due to the trapdoor being too small, causing several of the condemned to suffer head injuries from hitting the trapdoor during the drop. Breivik should be treated for what he is - an evil piece of shit.
Charl91 Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 And give him the joy of 'martyrdom'? Let him rot and become truly insane, weeping in the misery of his loneliness, I say... Don't think (or at least I hope) any would view him as a martyr - that being said, if people give him a tough time in prison, I wouldn't complain. Normally I'm fairly left, but I think the death penalty should be reserved for a select few. He would be one of them.
The Doctor Posted 24 August 2012 Posted 24 August 2012 After I posted that, I went on Wiki to read in greater detail about those who were executed. Does this sound like 'joy' to you? Taken from 'Wilhelm Keital', 1 of the high ranking Nazi officials executed. The execution was performed by the experienced American Army hangman, Sgt. John C. Woods. The length for the rope used for the execution was calculated in such a way that Keitel did not die quickly from a broken neck, but "agonizingly from slow strangulation, struggling for 24 minutes at the end of the rope before expiring." The reason for the facial blood stains seen in the photo of Keitel's corpse were due to the trapdoor being too small, causing several of the condemned to suffer head injuries from hitting the trapdoor during the drop. Breivik should be treated for what he is - an evil piece of shit. Once again you fail to actually read what was said - the joy of martyrdom He gets made into a martyr through state-endorsed murder (that's all the death penalty is, hypocritical shit) and, really, it does him a lot more good in terms of his ideology than just rotting in jail.
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