davieG Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 BBc The average annual earnings of full-time workers in the UK rose by 1.4% to £26,500 in the year to April 2012. The figures have been published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in its annual survey of hours and earnings. There was a cut in the real value of pay, however, as inflation was higher during the same period, at 3.5%. The pay gap between men and women shrank in the year, from 10.5% of men's full-time hourly earnings to 9.6%. The ONS said the shrinkage of this gap continued the trend of the past few years. Full-time male workers earned on average £28,700 in the year, while women earned £23,100, a difference of £5,600. Among part-time workers, though, most of whom are female, the position was reversed. Looking at their weekly earnings, female part-timers earned on average 8% more last year than their male counterparts, with women earning an average of £158 a week and men £146. Looking at their hourly pay rates, part-time women earned 5% more than their male counterparts, at £8.12 an hour compared to £7.72 an hour. The TUC's general secretary, Brendan Barber, said: "The pay gap between full and part-time workers is actually getting worse. "This is terrible news for the millions of people who need to work part-time to balance work and caring responsibilities, or who simply can't find full-time jobs." Public and private The ONS survey found that the average weekly pay of staff in the public sector was still noticeably higher than for staff in private sector employment, despite the government pay freeze on most employees in the public sector. Full-time staff there saw their weekly pay rise by 1.6% to £565, while those in the private sector saw their earnings go up by 1.5% to £479. The ONS said the long standing difference in pay levels was due to the preponderance of low-paid jobs in the private sector and the concentration of better educated workers in the public sector. "Consequently, differences in gross weekly earnings do not reveal differences in rates of pay for comparable jobs," it said. "For example, many of the lowest-paid occupations, such as bar and restaurant staff, hairdressers, elementary sales occupations and cashiers, exist primarily in the private sector, while there are a larger proportion of graduate-level and professional occupations in the public sector," the ONS added. Low pay Average weekly earnings were highest in the London region at £653 and lowest in Wales at £453. In districts around the UK, the highest average full-time earnings were in the City of London, at £917, while the lowest earnings were in Torridge in Devon, at just £348 a week for full-time employees. The ONS survey found that in April this year, there were 287,000 people in jobs paying less than the national minimum wage, who amounted to 1.1% of all workers in the UK. However, it warned that this did not mean they were all being paid illegally. "This is because it is not possible to determine from the survey data whether an individual is eligible for the minimum wage," the ONS said. "For example, it is not possible to identify people such as apprentices and those undergoing training who are exempt from the minimum wage rate or are entitled to lower rates. "In addition, if employees receive free accommodation, employers are entitled to offset hourly rates," the ONS added.
BunkMoreland Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 26.5 is a pretty good wage to be fair. I'd be interested to know the median more than the mean though
Rincewind Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 There seem to be more minimum wage jobs advertised so I wonder how much the top wages have gone up by?
absolutelegend Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 "the average weekly pay of staff in the public sector was still noticeably higher than for staff in private sector employment" Why?
BunkMoreland Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 "the average weekly pay of staff in the public sector was still noticeably higher than for staff in private sector employment" Why? Keep reading
Rincewind Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 All the crappy jobs are in the private sector.
Alf Bentley Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 26.5 is a pretty good wage to be fair. I'd be interested to know the median more than the mean though It doesn't seem to say whether it is the mean or the median. I suspect that it might be the median, as that was about 24k-25k a couple of years ago. Surely the mean would be higher than 26.5k, as it would be dragged up by the pay of the super-rich.... 1 senior investment banker's salary of £10m would take an awful lot of £12k salaries to even out....
SystonFox Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 £26.5 k is a very good wage IMO.me nor any of my social group earn that or I'd imagine close to that. All aged between 20-30 years
purpleronnie Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 £26.5 k is a very good wage IMO.me nor any of my social group earn that or I'd imagine close to that. All aged between 20-30 years Really? Most of the people I know earn more....although are older than the age you listed.
SystonFox Posted 22 November 2012 Posted 22 November 2012 Really? Most of the people I know earn more....although are older than the age you listed. Yes honestly. We all live in leicester and work in the local area too. All full time. I'd imagine the highest Earner in my friend group earns 25k. He's a pe teacher. Aged 27. I'm about to start a new job in January and the salary is better than my current job but still nowhere near what the "average" is. Although shift allowance + overtime will get me close
jonthefox Posted 23 November 2012 Posted 23 November 2012 I find out about my pay rise today. So this evening i'll either be or
Trav Le Bleu Posted 23 November 2012 Posted 23 November 2012 26.5 is a pretty good wage to be fair. I'd be interested to know the median more than the mean though Indeed, probably under 20k I wouldn't be surprised. By some way. Excluding London wages would alter the figure downwards too I reckon. Just call me Sherlock.
Rincewind Posted 23 November 2012 Posted 23 November 2012 Indeed, probably under 20k I wouldn't be surprised. By some way. Excluding London wages would alter the figure downwards too I reckon. Just call me Sherlock. That would not do David Cameron's image much good with his believers.
BunkMoreland Posted 23 November 2012 Posted 23 November 2012 Indeed, probably under 20k I wouldn't be surprised. By some way. Excluding London wages would alter the figure downwards too I reckon. Just call me Sherlock. Surprisingly, that figure is actually the median This is for last year http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/ashe/annual-survey-of-hours-and-earnings/ashe-results-2011/ashe-statistical-bulletin-2011.html But clearly Median gross annual earnings for full-time employees (including those whose pay was affected by absence) were £26,200, an increase of 1.4 per cent from 2010
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 "the average weekly pay of staff in the public sector was still noticeably higher than for staff in private sector employment" Why? Because we are better than you.
Manwell Pablo Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 Yes honestly. We all live in leicester and work in the local area too. All full time. I'd imagine the highest Earner in my friend group earns 25k. He's a pe teacher. Aged 27. I'm about to start a new job in January and the salary is better than my current job but still nowhere near what the "average" is. Although shift allowance + overtime will get me close I know a few that earn over 26k who are 20-30 More an exception than the norm though. I doubt 26k is an actual refelction of what normal people earn on average though, as someone has already pointed out it takes a lot of middle school caretakers to even out Carlos Tevez.
Rincewind Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 I bet that if these were a Labour Government figures there would be some on here saying the figures were manipulated. But as they are Tory figures they are correct and above board. I just look at them as politicians statistics. Make of that what you will.
BunkMoreland Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 I bet that if these were a Labour Government figures there would be some on here saying the figures were manipulated. But as they are Tory figures they are correct and above board. I just look at them as politicians statistics. Make of that what you will. The ONS aren't politicians. They are independent of government.
Rincewind Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 Yes of course, but read my post again. It does not matter whether they are politicians or not. There would be the same arguments but in reverse.
davieG Posted 26 November 2012 Author Posted 26 November 2012 I hope my butler doesn't see this . My live in maid has asked for a rise but I've told her I'm too old to give her one.
Rincewind Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 For balance and fairness here is an alternative viewpoint. Trade unionists laid into the government yesterday after a think tank exposed the scandal of working families living in poverty. Joseph Rowntree Foundation said over six million people classed as living in poverty were in households where people worked. "In-work poverty" now outstrips poverty rates for people out of work, the foundation said. A big chunk of that is the 1.4 million workers forced to take part-time work because there are no full-time jobs available - a increase of 500,000 people since 2009 according to the Monitoring Poverty report by the New Policy Institute. The economic collapse and Con-Dem cuts have led to record spending on benefits and tax credits, at 13 per cent of GDP, and almost five million people have claimed jobseeker's allowance at least once in the past two years. TUC general secretary Brendan Barber said: "Unemployment has always been a fast track to poverty, but it's shameful that for millions of people in Britain today, work is no longer a route out of it. "People are taking any job they can to make ends meet but unless our economy starts growing again we won't deliver the high quality full-time jobs that people really need. "Some employers are fuelling low-pay Britain by paying staff the bare minimum when they can easily afford to pay more." Joseph Rowntree Foundation chief executive Julia Unwin called for a "relentless focus" on improving job opportunities. "More people than we can imagine will have experienced poverty since the downturn, circling in and out of insecure, short-term and poorly paid jobs," she said. "Tackling poverty requires a comprehensive strategy." New Policy Institute research director Tom MacInnes: "Low wages are a drag on economic recovery and cause families to struggle with the costs they face, trapping them below the breadline." Transport union RMT general secretary Bob Crow was clear on what steps should be taken. "We've talked about general and co-ordinated strike action but with reports now showing workers are taking the biggest battering since the depression of the 1930s now is the time for action," he said. "We've seen our brothers and sisters fighting the EU cuts assault on the streets of Greece and Spain and if they can mobilise mass resistance to the political and business elite then so can we. "Europe-wide, generalised strike action should be our clear objective for the new year."
acooling08 Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 Yes honestly. We all live in leicester and work in the local area too. All full time. I'd imagine the highest Earner in my friend group earns 25k. He's a pe teacher. Aged 27. I'm about to start a new job in January and the salary is better than my current job but still nowhere near what the "average" is. Although shift allowance + overtime will get me close 25k for a PE teacher. I despair really.
Zingari Posted 26 November 2012 Posted 26 November 2012 My live in maid has asked for a rise but I've told her I'm too old to give her one. These are Hard Times indeed Mr Gradgrind Tell her about the trouble you're having with inflation and how you hardly get any interest these days. Would she accept a small standing order every month going straight in on a no withdrawal basis ?
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