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gamble looks to have back fired.

He's surely gotta show abit more than he has done.

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At present, Vardy looks like one of those frustrating strikers who would score goals aplenty in League 1, but struggles a bit in the Championship.

I still have faith that he can start netting though.

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Gamble hasnt paid off. I'd rather him score tap ins every week than work hard but produce little.

Says alot about our club, we want promotion but have the calibre of Waghorn and Vardy in attack. We'll do well to make the play-offs at this rate.

Still a way to go though :fc:

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Says alot about our club, we want promotion but have the calibre of Waghorn and Vardy in attack. We'll do well to make the play-offs at this rate.

Actually "at this rate" we will finish fourth. But hey lets just over react and find a new scape goat for a loss.

Last year people were bumming our striking options and we were midtable, this year people are slating them yet we are higher up the league.

Vardy has much to learn and it's a big step up clearly. Personally I thought the lad was doing absolutely fine before his injury and illness in quick succession. The lad had scored three league goals in his first 8 games for us (29th September). A feat that a certain striker still bummed to this day by people actually rubbishing Vardy took 21 games (1st Feb) to reach.

Would I sign another Striker come Jan. Well if we have the money available and there is a player of sufficient quality up for sale that will improve us then of course.

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Just to add, I firmly believe we are one decent striker and a squad defender short of a top two side.

This... Hopefully Pearson brings in another striker in January.

Thinking back over the last couple of years teams who have been around the playoffs/ automatic positions have strengthend up top to see them over the finish line.

Qpr signed Ishmael Miller and Wayne Routledge.

Southampton signed Billy Sharp.

Swansea signed Fabio Borini.

Reading signed Jason Roberts.

Norwich signed Henri Lansbury and Aaron Wilbraham.

West Ham signed Ricardo Vaz Te and Nicky Maynard.

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Just to add, I firmly believe we are one decent striker and a squad defender short of a top two side.

Agreed on the striker front. If we had someone like Austin, we'd be top of the league without a doubt. I think we've still got the best goal difference in the league, so we're obviously doing something right, but imagine if we had a top striker alongside Nugent banging them in? We'd be unstoppable. Sadly though, these come at a price. Hopefully Pearson and his staff are scouting out someone now as I'm sure Pearson would like to add a prolific striker, but he would need to have the right mentality and come at the right price.

On the defender front - do you not think what we've got is good enough? Once St Ledger is fit again, I'd say we've got more than enough. A first defence of De Laet, Morgan, one of St Ledger/Whitbread and Konchesky looks to be more than good enough, then with one of St Ledger/Whitbread, Moore and Schlupp in as back up, I'd say we're more or less sorted?

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I think at Fleetwood Vardy played a sort of free role, switching right across the forward line and down the flanks.

The system they used was built around his ability and pace, unfortunately we can't do that as the Championship is a much tougher league and Vardy is not the star man like he was there.

I've not given up on him yet as he is a goal scorer, that's proven with his record whether it's from lower leagues or not.

I'd like to see him play on the wing cutting inside or trying to beat players and getting a cross in as he does possess that in his arsenal.

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Hoping he comes good with confidence, but looked a Fleetwood level player tonight. Yard off the game and poor first touch. Liked him up to now though and I think with Nugent he's an asset - just don't think the team can work with him and Waghorn together.

Agree as I stated yesterday Waghorn and Vardy and in reality the same player they work hard but lack technical ability and you can have one of those in your team, as they put defenders under pressure making them give the ball back to us, but you cant have 2. Vardy is a good partner for Nugent and he would benefit from some confidence, he was good early this season but the injury appears to have set him back. If we are to make the top Two we need either Nugent on fire or an additional striker who is different from Vardy and Waghorn. Also people were talking last night about that Waghorn was unlucky hitting the bar for the 3rd time in 4 games.... my question is... when does it turn from being unlucky to being poor finishing?
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There are an awful lot of people slating him on here. Let me ask you, what did you expect? Did you expect him to come here, make the step up without any problem at all and bag 30 goals? Because that was never, ever going to happen.

Vardy was settling in well before his illness and injury, he bagged 3 goals and was creating a lot of chances, plus he was developing a great partnership with Nugent (one of the reasons Nuge has been in such fantastic form IMO). This injury and lack fo game time has obviously set him back a bit, but if he finishes the season with around 10 goals - which isn't unrealistic - then his first season in this league will have been a success. If Nuge carries on at this rate of scoring and ends up with 15-20 goals this season, and I see no reason why he won't, then Vardy and Waghorn won't need to score a massive amount of goals. If they can chip in with a 5-10 each then that'd be great.

To all the people who say we're overreliant on Nugent - name me another top side in this league who aren't overreliant on one or two players for their goals? Cardiff - Whittingham. Palace - Zaha (I'm not counting Murray, about 90% of his goals have been pens this season). Millwall - Henderson/Wood. Blackpool - Ince. Hull - Aluko. Burnley - Austin. Most teams in this league have a star man in their team. I would say that our squad is one of the better ones in the league in terms of coping with losing that star man. Take away the star players for the rest of these teams and what do they have? Without Nuge, we still have a team capable of winning games.

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Actually "at this rate" we will finish fourth. But hey lets just over react and find a new scape goat for a loss.

Last year people were bumming our striking options and we were midtable, this year people are slating them yet we are higher up the league.

Vardy has much to learn and it's a big step up clearly. Personally I thought the lad was doing absolutely fine before his injury and illness in quick succession. The lad had scored three league goals in his first 8 games for us (29th September). A feat that a certain striker still bummed to this day by people actually rubbishing Vardy took 21 games (1st Feb) to reach.

Would I sign another Striker come Jan. Well if we have the money available and there is a player of sufficient quality up for sale that will improve us then of course.

Yes and as i said we will do well to reach the play-offs.

Now I can understand blind faith and i know we are better placed than last season but we still lack quality that will get us promoted.

No one is a scapegoat but forgive me if i dont think they are good enough.

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There are an awful lot of people slating him on here. Let me ask you, what did you expect? Did you expect him to come here, make the step up without any problem at all and bag 30 goals? Because that was never, ever going to happen.

Vardy was settling in well before his illness and injury, he bagged 3 goals and was creating a lot of chances, plus he was developing a great partnership with Nugent (one of the reasons Nuge has been in such fantastic form IMO). This injury and lack fo game time has obviously set him back a bit, but if he finishes the season with around 10 goals - which isn't unrealistic - then his first season in this league will have been a success. If Nuge carries on at this rate of scoring and ends up with 15-20 goals this season, and I see no reason why he won't, then Vardy and Waghorn won't need to score a massive amount of goals. If they can chip in with a 5-10 each then that'd be great.

To all the people who say we're overreliant on Nugent - name me another top side in this league who aren't overreliant on one or two players for their goals? Cardiff - Whittingham. Palace - Zaha (I'm not counting Murray, about 90% of his goals have been pens this season). Millwall - Henderson/Wood. Blackpool - Ince. Hull - Aluko. Burnley - Austin. Most teams in this league have a star man in their team. I would say that our squad is one of the better ones in the league in terms of coping with losing that star man. Take away the star players for the rest of these teams and what do they have? Without Nuge, we still have a team capable of winning games.

Not counting penalties as well as cup goals these days. Next we won't be counting goals against teams in the bottom 3 as "they are sh*t"

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On the defender front - do you not think what we've got is good enough? Once St Ledger is fit again, I'd say we've got more than enough. A first defence of De Laet, Morgan, one of St Ledger/Whitbread and Konchesky looks to be more than good enough, then with one of St Ledger/Whitbread, Moore and Schlupp in as back up, I'd say we're more or less sorted?

Schlupp is not a competent defender and on top of that we are just too thin on the ground.

We need nothing special, just a squad player to fill the injury gaps.

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Not counting penalties as well as cup goals these days. Next we won't be counting goals against teams in the bottom 3 as "they are sh*t"

I'm not saying don't count them, I'm saying that the fact that someone has scored 5 penalties doesn't make them an integral part of the team. Murray's penalties have skewed the perception of his actual importance to the team as a scorer of goals in open play - anyone could have taken those penalties and probably scored them. You ask Ian Holloway which player is more important to the team, Murray or Zaha. I can tell you who he'd pick.

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Schlupp is not a competent defender and on top of that we are just too thin on the ground.

We need nothing special, just a squad player to fill the injury gaps.

Schlupp's been competent at LB so far - last night was the only bad game he's had there really, apart from that he's looked very good IMO. We could maybe do witha bit of a utility man on loan - someone who can play anywhere across the back four - but I think when everyone's fit, we have plenty of options.

Let me put it this way - I think we could get promoted without signing another defender, but if we don't sign another goalscorer... who knows?

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There are an awful lot of people slating him on here. Let me ask you, what did you expect? Did you expect him to come here, make the step up without any problem at all and bag 30 goals? Because that was never, ever going to happen.

Vardy was settling in well before his illness and injury, he bagged 3 goals and was creating a lot of chances, plus he was developing a great partnership with Nugent (one of the reasons Nuge has been in such fantastic form IMO). This injury and lack fo game time has obviously set him back a bit, but if he finishes the season with around 10 goals - which isn't unrealistic - then his first season in this league will have been a success. If Nuge carries on at this rate of scoring and ends up with 15-20 goals this season, and I see no reason why he won't, then Vardy and Waghorn won't need to score a massive amount of goals. If they can chip in with a 5-10 each then that'd be great.

To all the people who say we're overreliant on Nugent - name me another top side in this league who aren't overreliant on one or two players for their goals? Cardiff - Whittingham. Palace - Zaha (I'm not counting Murray, about 90% of his goals have been pens this season). Millwall - Henderson/Wood. Blackpool - Ince. Hull - Aluko. Burnley - Austin. Most teams in this league have a star man in their team. I would say that our squad is one of the better ones in the league in terms of coping with losing that star man. Take away the star players for the rest of these teams and what do they have? Without Nuge, we still have a team capable of winning games.

Im not bothered what everyone else is doing though. I'd rather us be different to them so we can finish above them. For the record I think we've got the potential to finish in the top 2 but the front line is a weakness.

It's not the point whether 10 goals would be a successful season for Vardy, or whether we're expecting too much of him. As I said above, we probably are expecting too much of him. But that's exactly the reason we need someone else. We were the ones who decided to take a gamble on him for £1m, it's not like we drew him in a raffle and it's not our fault. If we have the option to get someone better, we must do that, his finishing and first touch haven't bee good enough. I'm not sure why working hard is seen as such an assett, it should be an expectation.

Nigel's made some cracking signings for us and without having to break the bank, there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to do it again.

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Schlupp's been competent at LB so far - last night was the only bad game he's had there really, apart from that he's looked very good IMO. We could maybe do witha bit of a utility man on loan - someone who can play anywhere across the back four - but I think when everyone's fit, we have plenty of options.

Let me put it this way - I think we could get promoted without signing another defender, but if we don't sign another goalscorer... who knows?

This I agree with, and I don't understand why all of a sudden Schlupp isn't good enough, people were raving about him before last night.

I love Konchesky but he's looked out of sorts more often than not this season, and as time goes on he gets beaten for pace more and more, which Schlupp is not so vulnerable to.

I'm not sure there's that much to choose between them.

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Schlupp's been competent at LB so far - last night was the only bad game he's had there really, apart from that he's looked very good IMO. We could maybe do witha bit of a utility man on loan - someone who can play anywhere across the back four - but I think when everyone's fit, we have plenty of options.

Let me put it this way - I think we could get promoted without signing another defender, but if we don't sign another goalscorer... who knows?

Schlupp has been caught out defensively in virtually all the games he has started there.

You cant fault the guy's attitude, and his abilities going forward, but in defence he is not the best for me.

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Schlupp has been caught out defensively in virtually all the games he has started there.

You cant fault the guy's attitude, and his abilities going forward, but in defence he is not the best for me.

Yeah, I see what you're getting at. More than adequate for cover when Konchesky's not fit though.

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Schlupp has been caught out defensively in virtually all the games he has started there.

You cant fault the guy's attitude, and his abilities going forward, but in defence he is not the best for me.

But if you micro analyse every defender we have you can say they have all been caught out in almost every game except for Morgan. Schlupp has been competent, what he hasn't been is faultless.

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As I said before, coming from non league to Championship has been too much for him. He has potential but, but it needs developing. He should be loaned out to a lower league club for the remainder of the season.

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As I said before, coming from non league to Championship has been too much for him. He has potential but, but it needs developing. He should be loaned out to a lower league club for the remainder of the season.

Why would we do that, leaving with us two fit strikers on the books until Nugent's back? Even if he's not first team, he's more than good enough for backup. The lad's just come back from injury, give him a couple of games again before you write him off.

I remind you all - he's scored more than Beckford had at this stage last season and he's scored the same amount as Beckford has so far this season. Didn't hear anyone suggesting we should send Beckford on loan to a lower league club last season?

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