Vardy?

[Captain...]

There is an odd little culture on here that if you can spot a failing it somehow makes you a football intellectual. More so if you can spot a failure in a winning team. It's a really grating element to our fans, unpleasant and counter productive.

Third position, best goal difference in the league and you get a little team of prats on FT saying Waghorn isn't good enough for the team because only scoring counts. Or Whitbread, or Dyer, or Vardy, or Drinky, or.... I don't know what the point of these people's lives is, must be horrible.

Was going to post something similar.

I do wonder how some 'fans' think, we have done it to about every player in the squad at some point.

Look at Whitbread slated by a lot on here, and now he has had a few games after serious injury and a long lay off, he is showing his class, waghorn too, still getting slated by some, vardy is going to turn out to be another.

It takes time to come back from an injury, even only a minor one that vardy suffered, and in the case of waghorn, Whitbread and vardy, they were all called into action after their injuries due to injuries to other players, vardy/SSL/Nugent.

Fitness plays such a big part in your overall game, when you aren't match fit things like your control and passing, tackling and even just decision making deteriorate rapidly.

Vardy doesn't look fully fit at the moment, before his lay off he was looking good, his movement was good, his link up play was good, his finishing was good, he had 3 goals to his name in 10 games, he had a good partnership going with Nugent and we were top of the league, everyone was generally quite happy with him, no criticism on his touch or control, a few questions over his finishing to start with, but generally their were no complaints.

Then he picked up a knock, had an illness, waghorn was brought back whilst still not fully match fit, we had a bit of a blip.

Against Barnsley I fully expect Nugent and waghorn to start, vardy will come on with 20 minutes to go while we are a few goals to the good to try and gain further match fitness.

This criticism is unjustified at the moment, and vardy like waghorn, Whitbread, Dyer, King, drinkwater and everyone else who has had the foxes talk treatment over the last year will prove you wrong.

[5waller5]

There is an odd little culture on here that if you can spot a failing it somehow makes you a football intellectual. More so if you can spot a failure in a winning team. It's a really grating element to our fans, unpleasant and counter productive.

Third position, best goal difference in the league and you get a little team of prats on FT saying Waghorn isn't good enough for the team because only scoring counts. Or Whitbread, or Dyer, or Vardy, or Drinky, or.... I don't know what the point of these people's lives is, must be horrible.

I don't really get this criticism......

I'm the first to say that IMHO Waggy's not going to score enough goals .....

But I'm on a forum to talk about LCFC ..... if you don't like discussing the strengths and weaknesses of LCFC then maybe you shouldn't read or contribute to the threads - because I'm not sure what the forum is here for if it's not to discuss your opinion on football.

For the record, my life is just fine and quite fulfilling, but i do have other things outside FoxesTalk!

[5waller5]

Was going to post something similar.

I do wonder how some 'fans' think, we have done it to about every player in the squad at some point.

Look at Whitbread slated by a lot on here, and now he has had a few games after serious injury and a long lay off, he is showing his class, waghorn too, still getting slated by some, vardy is going to turn out to be another.

It takes time to come back from an injury, even only a minor one that vardy suffered, and in the case of waghorn, Whitbread and vardy, they were all called into action after their injuries due to injuries to other players, vardy/SSL/Nugent.

Fitness plays such a big part in your overall game, when you aren't match fit things like your control and passing, tackling and even just decision making deteriorate rapidly.

Vardy doesn't look fully fit at the moment, before his lay off he was looking good, his movement was good, his link up play was good, his finishing was good, he had 3 goals to his name in 10 games, he had a good partnership going with Nugent and we were top of the league, everyone was generally quite happy with him, no criticism on his touch or control, a few questions over his finishing to start with, but generally their were no complaints.

Then he picked up a knock, had an illness, waghorn was brought back whilst still not fully match fit, we had a bit of a blip.

Against Barnsley I fully expect Nugent and waghorn to start, vardy will come on with 20 minutes to go while we are a few goals to the good to try and gain further match fitness.

This criticism is unjustified at the moment, and vardy like waghorn, Whitbread, Dyer, King, drinkwater and everyone else who has had the foxes talk treatment over the last year will prove you wrong.

I see both of your points but also think that there's an alternative way to look at the reactions on this forum .....

If you are part of the current squad then you are beyond criticism and if you're not then you're fair game for the full force of FT.

Beckford a case in point - as he's loaned out he's now fair game for unbridled criticism - He's really not that bad, yes he has weaknesses just like Waghorn or Vardy ..... and he may be your cup of tea or not ..... But we seem to jump on anyone that doesn't just 100% agree with the current manager and share his opinion. One day NP will leave and these players will suddenly be the worst we've ever seen.....

Recognising they have strengths and weaknesses and discussing them is surely what makes football the game that it is and a forum on it worthwhile??

I'm all for being a fan on matchday and being 100% behind the boys in blue, whoever they may be ..... but it's ok to discuss Lloyds final ball, Waggy's finishing, or Kingy's sleepy ten mins just as much as it is Lloyd's unplayable pace, Waggy's work ethic, or Kingy's technical ability on a forum in the week????

[Captain...]

I don't really get this criticism......

I'm the first to say that IMHO Waggy's not going to score enough goals .....

But I'm on a forum to talk about LCFC ..... if you don't like discussing the strengths and weaknesses of LCFC then maybe you shouldn't read or contribute to the threads - because I'm not sure what the forum is here for if it's not to discuss your opinion on football.

For the record, my life is just fine and quite fulfilling, but i do have other things outside FoxesTalk!

What annoyed me though was the writing off of people like waghorn and vardy pre-season, nobody had seen waghorn play for a year, except the last game of last season when he scored, and yet people were happy to write him off, likewise vardy a lot of people were critical of signing a non league player for that amount of money and were looking to criticise him from the off.

Watching someone play and saying he wasn't very good today is one thing, watching someone have a couple of bad games and writing off the rest of his career because of it just nonsense.

[5waller5]

What annoyed me though was the writing off of people like waghorn and vardy pre-season, nobody had seen waghorn play for a year, except the last game of last season when he scored, and yet people were happy to write him off, likewise vardy a lot of people were critical of signing a non league player for that amount of money and were looking to criticise him from the off.

Watching someone play and saying he wasn't very good today is one thing, watching someone have a couple of bad games and writing off the rest of his career because of it just nonsense.

I wouldn't disagree at all there ....

I guess it's the instantaneous nature of a forum? And the fact that alot of football fans seem to want to make a point and then prove it at all costs rather than change their mind when facts change?

[Manwell Pablo]

Exactly. Drinkwater, Morgan, Whitbread, Marshall and before that even King were all slated. If Vardy starts playing well and scoring goals they'll start picking on someone else such as Konch or Dyer.

All fans ever do is moan, you'd think that after years of watching shite and being near the relegation and eventually relegated we'd be a bit happier that we are currently sitting in third, but no, not our fans, we need a striker who scores goals, someone like Beckford, because its as simple as that isn't it.

Bamba, Danns and occasionally Beckford (by certain people) have all been worshipped by our fans when in fact that weren't very good in a TEAM. Surprisingly with all these 'rubbish' individual players, we are currently sitting 3rd in the league. Still, Nige 'needs' a goalscoring forward else he'll get the sack.

Go figure...

The verdict has hardly been returned of Zac Whitbread yet, he's extremly rash at times and prone to the odd error.

But then he did on Saturday which of course makes him better than Cannavaro in somes eyes.

[Babylon]

The verdict has hardly been returned of Zac Whitbread yet, he's extremly rash at times and prone to the odd error.

There were several people suggesting he should never pull a Leicester shirt on again after 3 games. I think it's that kind of mentality people find frustrating.

[Manwell Pablo]

Exactly. I could understand moaning about our players if we were performing terribly, or moaning about goalscorers if we weren't winning games and scoring goals, but we're performing well, we're scoring goals and players are performing very well all over the pitch. This is probably the best season we've had since 02/03 - it beggars belief that people can still find something to moan about rather than just enjoying it. Seems like some people on here would still be moaning if we won the PL.

It's constructive criticism, our home form is fantastic, everyone is obviously happy with where we are and there have been some great performances. Away from home at times we just haven't been good enough, I doubt we will keep up our current home form for the entirety of the season, especially around Christmas and New Year when the games start to come think and fast. It would be a massive ask we've got some good teams still left to come to us.

There are still problems which could result in us staying down and there is nothing wrong with voicing this concerns.

You all may be happy with 3rd and the lottery of the play offs but I think with a couple of clever bits of business it in January we could save ourselves the trouble and go straight up. And a Striker is key imo, give us a different option, it's still a week area, especially away from home even Nugents goal scoring record away from the King Power is not good enough.

Makes me laugh as should we suffer a couple of defeats the moaning will soon start then, fickle as anything.

[Manwell Pablo]

There were several people suggesting he should never pull a Leicester shirt on again after 3 games. I think it's that kind of mentality people find frustrating.

Well yes that's rather silly, potentially he could be a decent defender for us.

[Captain...]

It's constructive criticism, our home form is fantastic, everyone is obviously happy with where we are and there have been some great performances. Away from home at times we just haven't been good enough, I doubt we will keep up our current home form for the entirety of the season, especially around Christmas and New Year when the games start to come think and fast. It would be a massive ask we've got some good teams still left to come to us.

There are still problems which could result in us staying down and there is nothing wrong with voicing this concerns.

You all may be happy with 3rd and the lottery of the play offs but I think with a couple of clever bits of business it in January we could save ourselves the trouble and go straight up. And a Striker is key imo, give us a different option, it's still a week area, especially away from home even Nugents goal scoring record away from the King Power is not good enough.

Makes me laugh as should we suffer a couple of defeats the moaning will soon start then, fickle as anything.

I don't quite understand the logic there, you will be happy for us to drop more points at home, but we must pick up more points away?

Coming away from Elland road, Ewood park, Wolves with no points is not going to de-rail our season dropping points at home to Barnsley and their like will.

[Manwell Pablo]

Erm, no. I'd like our away form to improve and preferably our home from to sustain itself as I'm happy with it. Although its a big ask. We've won most of them and only lost one.

Your wrong. If your trying to stay in a division your home form is vital. If your trying to get out or win one you've got get the job done on the road regularly as well.

[Guest Col city fan]

Erm, no. I'd like our away form to improve and preferably our home from to sustain itself as I'm happy with it. Although its a big ask. We've won most of them and only lost one.

Your wrong. If your trying to stay in a division your home form is vital. If your trying to get out or win one you've got get the job done on the road regularly as well.

[Captain...]

Erm, no. I'd like our away form to improve and preferably our home from to sustain itself as I'm happy with it. Although its a big ask. We've won most of them and only lost one.

Your wrong. If your trying to stay in a division your home form is vital. If your trying to get out or win one you've got get the job done on the road regularly as well.

It was more the implication that you were expecting us to drop points at home, which seemed odd.

Of course away form is important, but the teams we've lost to away have been 2 of the relegated sides, and we dropped points at Bolton too, Leeds, which despite our recent record against them are still a good side, Watford who are looking decent this season and Charlton, which was disappointing. We are going to drop points this season home and away, but doing so at sides packed with prem experience is not the be all and end all.

What have done and will hopefully continue to do is beat the sides we should, it is what has cost is in the past couple of seasons dropping points against teams in the relegation zone.

Some big games coming up, but we could quite easily be top at Christmas.

[Manwell Pablo]

Can't really make excuses we've just not been consiatant enough on the road . Teams like Charlton brum wolves Leeds and bolton have not been great this and two points from a possible 15 is the difference atm.

We were unlucky in some of those games though n as u say hopefully it'll improve

[Oxfordfox83]

I don't really get this criticism......

I'm the first to say that IMHO Waggy's not going to score enough goals .....

But I'm on a forum to talk about LCFC ..... if you don't like discussing the strengths and weaknesses of LCFC then maybe you shouldn't read or contribute to the threads - because I'm not sure what the forum is here for if it's not to discuss your opinion on football.

For the record, my life is just fine and quite fulfilling, but i do have other things outside FoxesTalk!

Better reply than I was expecting tbh. A lot of your posts have come across, rightly or wrongly, as 'Waghorn is not good enough and never will be', which I think most people appreciate is just plain wrong. "He seems to have lost form", "He needs to work on his finishing", "can't see him getting 30 goals a season" are all fair enough, but we seem to have absolutely no middle ground. The guy's finishing, up until a month ago, was pretty much awful, but he still wasn't 100% and was low on confidence. Crucially, he was still contributing to the team. He's come back and was our best player at Derby, and been amongst the top 3 for the last 4 games, goals notwithstanding. He has also hit the woodwork a couple of times and drawn some incredible saves. I reckon he's unlucky not to have had 3 or 4 more by now. The kind of player we need is a finisher to replace Nuge when he's tired/injured/suspended-we don't need a new first choice striker. And having said all of that, the work rate of our front two means that Knocky, Dyer, Drinky, King are getting goals-I don't think it matters whether Wag/Vardy score them, or facilitate 30 midfield goals-which is why the GD, our league position, etc., are useful considerations.

I share the frustrations of seeing chances going begging, but would much rather that than Sven when some games we'd never make a chance. Our slightly less lethal but hardworking and selfless strikeforce is key to that...

[hornyhollthefox123]

Can't really make excuses we've just not been consiatant enough on the road . Teams like Charlton brum wolves Leeds and bolton have not been great this and two points from a possible 15 is the difference atm.

We were unlucky in some of those games though n as u say hopefully it'll improve

Of course we can make excuses. You've just chosen 5 away games we didn't win.

We've beaten Shef Wed away with a very good performance. We've beaten Huddersfield away who many thought would be a top 6 side in a mid week game, again with another great performance. And anyone that went to Bolton knew we could easily have won that game if it wasn't for Bogdan. We beat Boro away who are a very good side. Add those games into the equation and our away record isn't eaxctly woeful.

Don't really understand what else you want. Doing well in this league, whether it be winning it or achieving promotion via the play offs will be done by winning the majority of games at home and getting what we can away from home with good, disciplined performances. And apart from Watford i can't think of a game in the league away from home where we have been poor.

[wakeyfox01]

Of course we can make excuses. You've just chosen 5 away games we didn't win.

We've beaten Shef Wed away with a very good performance. We've beaten Huddersfield away who many thought would be a top 6 side in a mid week game, again with another great performance. And anyone that went to Bolton knew we could easily have won that game if it wasn't for Bogdan. We beat Boro away who are a very good side. Add those games into the equation and our away record isn't eaxctly woeful.

Don't really understand what else you want. Doing well in this league, whether it be winning it or achieving promotion via the play offs will be done by winning the majority of games at home and getting what we can away from home with good, disciplined performances. And apart from Watford i can't think of a game in the league away from home where we have been poor.

We were absolutely shocking against Leeds and just resorted to hoofball for most of the game bar a ten minute period after knocky and Futacs came on.

[hornyhollthefox123]

We were absolutely shocking against Leeds and just resorted to hoofball for most of the game bar a ten minute period after knocky and Futacs came on.

Leeds is the only away game i've missed so fair enough, i can't pass judgement on that. Leeds are a side that we knew would be difficult to play against though and fair enough if we were awful i hold my hands up. But apart from those two performances then.

[Manwell Pablo]

Of course we can make excuses. You've just chosen 5 away games we didn't win.

We've beaten Shef Wed away with a very good performance. We've beaten Huddersfield away who many thought would be a top 6 side in a mid week game, again with another great performance. And anyone that went to Bolton knew we could easily have won that game if it wasn't for Bogdan. We beat Boro away who are a very good side. Add those games into the equation and our away record isn't eaxctly woeful.

Don't really understand what else you want. Doing well in this league, whether it be winning it or achieving promotion via the play offs will be done by winning the majority of games at home and getting what we can away from home with good, disciplined performances. And apart from Watford i can't think of a game in the league away from home where we have been poor.

5 games? So 50% of all away games then? Not exactly a small percentage is it.

Not about playing badly is it when you've won 3 from 10 can sit and say if but whatever. Needs to get better if you want to go up, could be good enough for the play offs if we manage to keep up our excellent home form but nothing more.

[wakeyfox01]

Leeds is the only away game i've missed so fair enough, i can't pass judgement on that. Leeds are a side that we knew would be difficult to play against though and fair enough if we were awful i hold my hands up. But apart from those two performances then.

I agree with your point mate just still bitter I wasted £34 for the pleasure of that game

[hornyhollthefox123]

5 games? So 50% of all away games then? Not exactly a small percentage is it.

Not about playing badly is it when you've won 3 from 10 can sit and say if but whatever. Needs to get better if you want to go up, could be good enough for the play offs if we manage to keep up our excellent home form but nothing more.

So 11 points from 10 away games is not the worst record at all. Given that 3 of the away games have been to relegated sides as well it really isn't a bad start. Even if we continued that form we would finish with around 25 points from our away fixtures. Given that we're averaging 2.5 pts per game at home we would end up with 82/83 points at this rate, which you are right would see us finish comfortably in the play offs.

We still have to play many of the sides away from home in the bottom half so i would hope that our record would therefore improve. I'm just making the point we have had some difficult games away from home and that our away form will therefore appear poor, but in reality it should improve given the nature of teams we still have to play.

[Bluetintedspecs]

There were several people suggesting he should never pull a Leicester shirt on again after 3 games. I think it's that kind of mentality people find frustrating.

Yep incredulous!

[Manwell Pablo]

So 11 points from 10 away games is not the worst record at all.

Given that 3 of the away games have been to relegated sides as well it really isn't a bad start. Even if we continued that form we would finish with around 25 points from our away fixtures. Given that we're averaging 2.5 pts per game at home we would end up with 82/83 points at this rate, which you are right would see us finish comfortably in the play offs.

We still have to play many of the sides away from home in the bottom half so i would hope that our record would therefore improve. I'm just making the point we have had some difficult games away from home and that our away form will therefore appear poor, but in reality it should improve given the nature of teams we still have to play.

we've played five currently in the top, five currently in the bottom. And relegated or not Bolton and Wolves are festering near the bottom of the league

As I say it's a big, big, ask to continue to take 2.5 points from your home games for the whole season and its definitely something we can't bank on we aren't even half way there yet. We've been sublime at home and I think our overall record will be impressive, but in order to keep our current form up we're going to have to win 19 odd.

And even then I've said We'd probably get play offs if we carried with our current away form although it's hardly a guarantee as it would mean maintaining our outstanding home form of the course of the whole season. I said if we want automatic it's going to have to improve.

Why does everything not related to us being brilliant, even a simple statement that 3 wins out of 10 away from home needs to be better, have to be argued so blinkadly. Do we not want to get better? I thought Manchester United fans were clueless but it seems they've got more of a clue than some of us, you wont hear many of them going, "yeah but we're top of the league to we've got nothing to worry about" if you question their defense or their worrying record of conceding first.

[Guest Col city fan]

we've played five currently in the top, five currently in the bottom. And relegated or not Bolton and Wolves are festering near the bottom of the league

As I say it's a big, big, ask to continue to take 2.5 points from your home games for the whole season and its definitely something we can't bank on we aren't even half way there yet. We've been sublime at home and I think our overall record will be impressive, but in order to keep our current form up we're going to have to win 19 odd.

And even then I've said We'd probably get play offs if we carried with our current away form although it's hardly a guarantee as it would mean maintaining our outstanding home form of the course of the whole season. I said if we want automatic it's going to have to improve.

Why does everything not related to us being brilliant, even a simple statement that 3 wins out of 10 away from home needs to be better, have to be argued so blinkadly. Do we not want to get better? I thought Manchester United fans were clueless but it seems they've got more of a clue than some of us, you wont hear many of them going, "yeah but we're top of the league to we've got nothing to worry about" if you question their defense or their worrying record of conceding first.

Can't agree more with the final paragraph.

[Oxfordfox83]

Why does everything not related to us being brilliant, even a simple statement that 3 wins out of 10 away from home needs to be better, have to be argued so blinkadly. Do we not want to get better? I thought Manchester United fans were clueless but it seems they've got more of a clue than some of us, you wont hear many of them going, "yeah but we're top of the league to we've got nothing to worry about" if you question their defense or their worrying record of conceding first.

Well, criticisms of United are definitely fair. And our away form definitely has room to improve. But it isn't a crisis.

What's mildly annoying (that's not quite right, but can't think of the phrase) is that you assume our home form will drop, without assuming that we'll start getting better results away. As has been said, our away performances have been poor on only two occasions, so there's every chance we'll get a bit more in future.

We create lots of chances, are scoring pretty freely, and are tight at the back. My 'United's defence' concern is that several times recently our midfield just switches off, for long periods in the middle of games, which means our grip slips on games we're dominating. For that, we need a Lennon character who will drag everyone back up to standard-it's the one area I'd like to see more of from DD (albeit he's been one of our top players this season).

There you go-criticism! But within the boundaries of 'I think we'll get there, in NP we trust...'