ONLY FOR THE OPEN MINDED

[The Doctor]

I do modules on toxicology and read about metal poisoning for fun - trust me when I say arsenic is never safe.

[Zingari]

I do modules on toxicology and read about metal poisoning for fun - trust me when I say arsenic is never safe.

Arsenic Trioxide is sometimes used in chemo therapy to treat leukemia and cancer .

So it's not "healthy" or safe , but can have medicinal benefits.

[Captain...]

You do realise you're top quote proves him right, and your second is completley hypothetical with no basis.

Dunno why you argue with people on subjects they are clearly a lot more clued up on than yourself.

If you can point out which bit on the list of its uses in medicine prove him right?

I will draw your attention to the last line though:

In subtoxic doses, soluble arsenic compounds act as stimulants, and were once popular in small doses as medicine by people in the mid-18th century.

The reason I used arsenic in my example, was because it is highly poisonous, but in low enough doses, it has health benefits, so saying fluoride has health benefits doesn't really mean anything if people are overdosing on it without realising.

[Captain...]

I do modules on toxicology and read about metal poisoning for fun - trust me when I say arsenic is never safe.

I would agree it is not safe, but the point is it can have health benefits, and in "subtoxic doses" is fine, but subtoxic doses is very very small probably less than 0.01mg.

The point is not that arsenic is good for you, it isn't and health benefits are greatly outweighed by the risk, my point is that saying fluoride has health benefits doesn't mean that people aren't deliberately contaminating the water supply with it.

[Manwell Pablo]

If you can point out which bit on the list of its uses in medicine prove him right?

I will draw your attention to the last line though:

In subtoxic doses, soluble arsenic compounds act as stimulants, and were once popular in small doses as medicine by people in the mid-18th century.

The reason I used arsenic in my example, was because it is highly poisonous, but in low enough doses, it has health benefits, so saying fluoride has health benefits doesn't really mean anything if people are overdosing on it without realising.

All of it, your weren't arguing whether it can be used as medicine, your arguing that it's good for you. It's not.

It's a completley different arguement.

[lavrentis]

I regards to the OP, I think there definitely is a global elite out there who do try and push their agenda but I think the conspirators give too much credit to the Freemasons. I listened to Alex Jones for a short while just out of curiosity as I am interested in the subjects and it does seem he plays to his followers. That being said there are obvious attempts of "global government", the EU for example. They even state they want to push for a federal union when it is clear the people of Europe do not want this. Being aware and being paranoid are different things.

[Manwell Pablo]

I would agree it is not safe, but the point is it can have health benefits, and in "subtoxic doses" is fine, but subtoxic doses is very very small probably less than 0.01mg.

The point is not that arsenic is good for you, it isn't and health benefits are greatly outweighed by the risk, my point is that saying fluoride has health benefits doesn't mean that people aren't deliberately contaminating the water supply with it.

Odd as that is what you said orginally.

[Webbo]

All of it, your weren't arguing whether it can be used as medicine, your arguing that it's good for you. It's not.

It's a completley different arguement.

If it's not good for you why is it used as medicine? Isn't that the point of medicine?

[lavrentis]

If it's not good for you why is it used as medicine? Isn't that the point of medicine?

I think it is a tough one. Is using x-rays for the greater good? As well as amalgam fillings letting off mercury vapour.

[Manwell Pablo]

If it's not good for you why is it used as medicine? Isn't that the point of medicine?

No not at all, medicine by definition is something used to relive or treat a condition. You give me chemotherapy, it's going to be bad for me, it'll damage me, the benefit for cancer sufferes is that it damages cancerous cells, for me it's doing nothing but harm,.

Chronic alcoholics are treated with around 8-10 units of alcohol a day, it is not good for them, however without it, they'd be at risk of Dilerium Tremor whatever it's called which could kill them.

Anti rejeciton drugs are used on transplant patients, lowering their immune system, not good for them, but prefferable to the organ being rejected

Just because something can be used to treat an illness or condition doesn't mean it is "healthy in small doses" as suggested orginally.

[The Doctor]

Arsenic Trioxide is sometimes used in chemo therapy to treat leukemia and cancer .

So it's not "healthy" or safe , but can have medicinal benefits.

It's used in chemotherapy due to the nature of chemotherapy - not for nothing was As₂O₃ known as inheritance powder. Certainly it's not something that should ever be labelled as healthy.

I would agree it is not safe, but the point is it can have health benefits, and in "subtoxic doses" is fine, but subtoxic doses is very very small probably less than 0.01mg.

The point is not that arsenic is good for you, it isn't and health benefits are greatly outweighed by the risk, my point is that saying fluoride has health benefits doesn't mean that people aren't deliberately contaminating the water supply with it.

What health benefits? Saying it can be a stimulant means very little. MPTP can be a pretty good relaxant (too good actually, when it reacts with monoamine oxidases it forms a compound that'll cause parkinsonism)

If it's not good for you why is it used as medicine? Isn't that the point of medicine?

it's not. It's used as a chemotherapy drug, which need to be toxic compounds in order to kill the tumorous cells.

[Webbo]

No not at all, medicine by definition is something used to relive or treat a condition. You give me chemotherapy, it's going to be bad for me, it'll damage me, the benefit for cancer sufferes is that it damages cancerous cells, for me it's doing nothing but harm,.

Apart from keeping you alive.

[Manwell Pablo]

Apart from keeping you alive.

No it's not, I don't have cancer. So it's bad for me

[Zingari]

There's plenty of interesting stuff in there , but it's a bit new age /hippy for my liking .

Very much a David Icke type film with added slickness

It seems to want to be too all encompasing and change the whole order of the world , and although that may be a good thing , it's very unlikely to happen any time soon .

I tend to prefer conspiracy theories that are more "event specific" , but I realise that isn't always possible.

I don't feel like it's my wasted time watching it , although i did skip through bits of it especially towards the Utopian dreaming at the end

[BoneDog]

But conspiracy theorists are typically some of the most close minded people in the world.

Lolled at that big pile of baloney. Not sure if I was supposed to or if you were super serious.

Im not gonna start trying to come across as a preacher.

Leave the preaching to Finno, he's quite good at it.

ACCEPTING WHAT'S IN THOSE VIDEOS IS JUST ACCEPTING WHAT YOUR'RE TOLD ASASSSRRRGGGHHHHFFSSSS.

I don't think the point of watching a video is to just accept what is said or shown and not many people actually do that in real life.

Conspiracies happen all the time - from the bottom to the top of society - and if you don't know that then you're a bit naive.

[Captain...]

Odd as that is what you said orginally.

First that wasn't my point, I could repeat my point again, but I think you can look up and see it clearly stated a few times. I wasn't trying to prove arsenic is good for you, so that was not my point. (I really do worry about people's ability to read).

Secondly, arsenic is good for you in microscopic doses, as that quote says, it is a stimulant in subtoxic doses, which means that in doses so small so as not to be toxic, it is good for you.

Now the good doctor may be able to prove me wrong on this, in which case I will concede and change my statement to "alcohol is healthy in moderation and has proven health benefits, but that doesn't mean I want the government putting alcohol in the drinking water."

[Webbo]

No it's not, I don't have cancer. So it's bad for me

Fair point

[Manwell Pablo]

First that wasn't my point, I could repeat my point again, but I think you can look up and see it clearly stated a few times. I wasn't trying to prove arsenic is good for you, so that was not my point. (I really do worry about people's ability to read).

Secondly, arsenic is good for you in microscopic doses, as that quote says, it is a stimulant in subtoxic doses, which means that in doses so small so as not to be toxic, it is good for you.

Now the good doctor may be able to prove me wrong on this, in which case I will concede and change my statement to "alcohol is healthy in moderation ad has proven health benefits, but that doesn't mean I want the government putting alcohol in the drinking water."

Stop being a T*at. It is not my fault you stated that "Even Arsenic is healthy in moderation" my reading is fine, it's completley wrong, you even changed you wording to microscopic now so you know your wrong.

That quote doesn't PROVE anything it says MAY and COULD BE AS LITTLE and you accuse others of not being able to read? Jesus.

Alcohol in the drinking water? Yes please.

[BoneDog]

I do modules on toxicology and read about metal poisoning for fun - trust me when I say arsenic is never safe.

What is the reason for putting fluoride in our water? To help our teeth and general health? Don't believe that for a second. Many people don't have fluoride added to their water and their teeth are fine.

Wasn't Hitler the first to add it to water supplies in camps? The caring bastard.

[Carl the Llama]

I'm sold on aliens.

I don't like how he brings the EU into the NWO thing, it's an easy connection to make, but equally wrong and misinformed.

[Captain...]

Stop being a T*at. It is not my fault you stated that "Even Arsenic is healthy in moderation" my reading is fine, it's completley wrong, you even changed you wording to microscopic now so you know your wrong.

That quote doesn't PROVE anything it says MAY and COULD BE AS LITTLE and you accuse others of not being able to read? Jesus.

Alcohol in the drinking water? Yes please.

The reason I used arsenic in my example was because it is a known poison, fluoride is also poisonous if you consume too much of it, so I wouldn't want the government putting it in the water.

You are looking at the wrong quote:

In subtoxic doses, soluble arsenic compounds act as stimulants,

There is no may or could or doubt in that statement. You can argue that stimulant does not mean it is healthy, fair enough, that is not my point, my point is you can state the health benefits of any chemical, but that doesn't mean it is ok to put it in the drinking water.

[marko]

What is the reason for putting fluoride in our water? To help our teeth and general health? Don't believe that for a second. Many people don't have fluoride added to their water and their teeth are fine.

Wasn't Hitler the first to add it to water supplies in camps? The caring bastard.

Who are these naughty, naughty people putting fluoride in our water?

[Manwell Pablo]

The reason I used arsenic in my example was because it is a known poison, fluoride is also poisonous if you consume too much of it, so I wouldn't want the government putting it in the water.

You are looking at the wrong quote:

There is no may or could or doubt in that statement. You can argue that stimulant does not mean it is healthy, fair enough, that is not my point, my point is you can state the health benefits of any chemical, but that doesn't mean it is ok to put it in the drinking water.

Correct as they are not, they're bad for you in most cases!

I know what your point is, you still stated something factually incorrect in demonstrating it

Fluroide in water is fine by me

[The Doctor]

First that wasn't my point, I could repeat my point again, but I think you can look up and see it clearly stated a few times. I wasn't trying to prove arsenic is good for you, so that was not my point. (I really do worry about people's ability to read).

Secondly, arsenic is good for you in microscopic doses, as that quote says, it is a stimulant in subtoxic doses, which means that in doses so small so as not to be toxic, it is good for you.

Now the good doctor may be able to prove me wrong on this, in which case I will concede and change my statement to "alcohol is healthy in moderation and has proven health benefits, but that doesn't mean I want the government putting alcohol in the drinking water."

There's not really such a thing as a subtoxic dose of arsenic: a single dose over the level of toxicity will cause acute poisoning (which is really ****ing nasty - I've got a list of the symptoms here: abodminal pain, weak pulse, vomiting blood, GIT damage, heart failure, convulsions), but the body can't really remove arsenic so repeated "subtoxic" doses will cause chronic poisoning.

What is the reason for putting fluoride in our water? To help our teeth and general health? Don't believe that for a second. Many people don't have fluoride added to their water and their teeth are fine.

Wasn't Hitler the first to add it to water supplies in camps? The caring bastard.

To help prevent dental decay - and it occurs where the levels of naturally occurring fluoride are too low. The people who don't have fluoride added to their water live in areas where the water contains enough fluoride to begin with.

Erm, no - Fluoridation of water supplies occurred from ~1950. Before that (1933-1945) was the study of the relationship between fluoride and tooth decay.

[Webbo]

Mass medication without consent is wrong in principle. If you allow this how long will it be before someone suggests putting tranquillizers in the water to reduce violent crime or some other ludicrous scheme? If the govt is bothered hand out free fluoride tablets so people can decide for themselves.