Thatcher Dies

[Daggers]

[Manwell Pablo]

Thanks mate.

A temporary ban of a year is a bit ridiculous. The one pain is I keep needing to invent new email addresses, but then I can use them to get 50 free prints at photobox so its not all bad.

Which I could find my old favourite cockbadger picture mind.

for calling someone a ****? I'd plead fair comment place is full of them these days.

[LJS]

If you've got an informed opinion then yes you can judge.

Unless you lived through her tenure you shouldn't be going out on the slash celebrating her death.

Your Churchill comparison shows, how well informed your opinion is, as I've said already Thatcher and Churchill are politically about as similar as you get, only difference is one is remembered for WWII and one was remembered for closing mines by those who don't know better.

Why do you keep saying that Churchill and Thatcher were as politically similar as it gets? Because they both of the same party? They were nothing alike. Churchill's main concern was foreign policy (although he was also a campaigner for free trade and crossed the floor to join the Liberals to that end) and Thatcher's was economics. Churchill was bored of anything to do with economics by about 1930. Thatcher was a monetarism fanatic. Monetarism barely existed as a concept when Churchill was PM and only went mainstream after Churchill finished his second tenure in Downing Street. Thatcher was unlike any Conservative PM before here and was openly critical of her predecessors for maintaining what she saw as the post-war Keynesian social democratic status quo.

Both were ***** though, to be fair to you. Churchill was the right man at the right time during WW2 but proved to be an appalling peacetime leader and was pretty discredited as a politician for large periods because of his obsession with India. He was also a pisshead.

[Daggers]

Thanks mate.

A temporary ban of a year is a bit ridiculous. The one pain is I keep needing to invent new email addresses, but then I can use them to get 50 free prints at photobox so its not all bad.

Which I could find my old favourite cockbadger picture mind.

At least it's working, Jim.

The ban is keeping you away and you've learned not to call anyone a cvnt.

[Tempwan Yierban]

for calling someone a ****? I'd plead fair comment place is full of them these days.

I've been called a lot worse. I probably aimed it at the wrong person.

I've heard all about this inner circle and I obviously touched a collective nerve.

[Manwell Pablo]

Why do you keep saying that Churchill and Thatcher were as politically similar as it gets? Because they both of the same par? They were nothing alike. Churchill's main concern was foreign policy (although he was also a campaigner for free trade and crossed the floor to join the Liberals to that end) and Thatcher's was economics. Churchill was bored of anything to do with economics by about 1930. Thatcher was a monetarism fanatic. Monetarism barely existed as a concept when Churchill was PM and only went mainstream after Churchill finished his second tenure in Downing Street. Thatcher was unlike any Conservative PM before here and was openly critical of her predecessors for maintaining what she saw as the post-war Keynesian social democratic status quo.

Both were ***** though, to be fair to you. Churchill was the right man at the right time during WW2 but proved to be an appalling peacetime leader and was pretty discredited as a politician for large periods because of his obsession with India. He was also a pisshead.

Thatchers focus had to be economics due to the state of the country, Churchill as you said had no reason or interest to involve himself in economical policy, well he had more pressing things to worry about in any case. Thatchers foreign policy is so similar to that of Churchills it is scary, all based on "Great" Britain etc etc. Thatcher had great admiration for Churchill, whilst their focuses may not always have aligned, They were at the core, quite similar (or Comparable, something you could perhaps base an analogy on some would say)

Churchill was a complete c**t but indeed completely the right man for the job, cu*ts win wars. The reason I compared the two is because he's been hailed as a political genius in here by people who have little clue what he did or what he was about bar the fact he was PM during WW2.

[Guest ttfn]

Ed Milliband's comments are about right for me.

I'm 25. I was never particularly conscious of Thatcher's government, although as a former student of history I think I'm pretty well up on her policies and the divisions they caused.

I always knew she caused pretty extreme views in people. I have spent a lot of my life in the north-east, and my fiancee's late father worked in the mines as a young man. I frequently see the damage that it has done to communities and the abject nothingness of the communities that were once relatively prosperous mining communities.

Daggers can come across as an intelligent poster on a number of matters, but politics is not one. Anything which doesn't fit in with his leftist agenda is immediately met with derision. And today, posting on an elderly woman's death in the manner he has is nothing short of pitiful. Making fun of anybody having a stroke is fvcking embarrassing. Shameful even. I actually didn't think he'd stoop that low.

But at least he might have reason for his disgust at this woman. At least he lived through her policies. Maybe he saw friends and families lose out through her aggressive privatisation. Quite why he wouldn't have had his fun at her expense when she left office rather than after she had died a slow, miserable, lonely death is beyond me, but I can at some level understand his schadenfreude.

But as Alexikokopops said, the Daily Mash has it right. If you didn't live through this woman's reign who the fvck are you to celebrate her death?

Somebody said "well Hitler's dead, can't you dislike him?" Comparing Thatcher to Hitler is absolutely fvcking libellous. Thatcher won three general elections outright. Hitler won none.

Thatcher shut down the mines. Hitler ordered the gassing of six million jews and was responsible for the Second World War, causing one of the largest mass genocides the world has ever seen. CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE?!

The likes of "The Doctor" celebrating her death are pathetic. I bet you haven't got the first fvcking clue about the good she did for our country, along with the bad. For him, a poster who loves to point out how educated he is on matters of science and use it as a stick to beat others with, to preach about something that he has no bloody idea about is hypocrisy at its highest. It's a textbook student liberal agenda with no grounding in the economic or social realities of the time, or what followed. HATE THE TORIES. DESPISE THATCHER. ANTI-WAR. PRO MARIJUANA. It's so simple.

Me? I've got no opinion. She did a lot of bad, she did a lot of good. But that is to be expected, she was in power for 11 years. I was alive for a little more than three years of her premiership. But rather than spending my time drinking to the death of a woman who led our country out of some desperate economic straits and towards a period I'd prefer to reflect on the sad passing of a once strong woman to a cruel and lonely death.

A lot of people have showed their true colours today. For shame.

Edit: Very sorry, no idea why my font has come out that size.

[Tempwan Yierban]

Ed Milliband's comments are about right for me.

I'm 25. I was never particularly conscious of Thatcher's government, although as a former student of history I think I'm pretty well up on her policies and the divisions they caused.

I always knew she caused pretty extreme views in people. I have spent a lot of my life in the north-east, and my fiancee's late father worked in the mines as a young man. I frequently see the damage that it has done to communities and the abject nothingness of the communities that were once relatively prosperous mining communities.

Daggers can come across as an intelligent poster on a number of matters, but politics is not one. Anything which doesn't fit in with his leftist agenda is immediately met with derision. And today, posting on an elderly woman's death in the manner he has is nothing short of pitiful. Making fun of anybody having a stroke is fvcking embarrassing. Shameful even. I actually didn't think he'd stoop that low.

But at least he might have reason for his disgust at this woman. At least he lived through her policies. Maybe he saw friends and families lose out through her aggressive privatisation. Quite why he wouldn't have had his fun at her expense when she left office rather than after she had died a slow, miserable, lonely death is beyond me, but I can at some level understand his schadenfreude.

But as Alexikokopops said, the Daily Mash has it right. If you didn't live through this woman's reign who the fvck are you to celebrate her death?

Somebody said "well Hitler's dead, can't you dislike him?" Comparing Thatcher to Hitler is absolutely fvcking libellous. Thatcher won three general elections outright. Hitler won none.

Thatcher shut down the mines. Hitler ordered the gassing of six million jews and was responsible for the Second World War, causing one of the largest mass genocides the world has ever seen. CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE?!

The likes of "The Doctor" celebrating her death are pathetic. I bet you haven't got the first fvcking clue about the good she did for our country, along with the bad. For him, a poster who loves to point out how educated he is on matters of science and use it as a stick to beat others with, to preach about something that he has no bloody idea about is hypocrisy at its highest. It's a textbook student liberal agenda with no grounding in the economic or social realities of the time, or what followed. HATE THE TORIES. DESPISE THATCHER. ANTI-WAR. PRO MARIJUANA. It's so simple.

Me? I've got no opinion. She did a lot of bad, she did a lot of good. But that is to be expected, she was in power for 11 years. I was alive for a little more than three years of her premiership. But rather than spending my time drinking to the death of a woman who led our country out of some desperate economic straits and towards a period I'd prefer to reflect on the sad passing of a once strong woman to a cruel and lonely death.

A lot of people have showed their true colours today. For shame.

Edit: Very sorry, no idea why my font has come out that size.

Just as judgemental as those who have judged her. There isn't a high horse to clamber on here in my view.

I was born in 83, know a lot about her and her policies but they have not affected me directly. I'm not celebrating her death, but neither would I mourn her passing any more than any other woman I just don't know.

She destroyed entire communities- but in some ways, did also do some good. That's about as balanced as its going to get and as a fellow historian, I'm quite happy to leave that there.

You don't have to agree with the anti-thatcher sentiment to understand it though,

[Guest ttfn]

Just as judgemental as those who have judged her. There isn't a high horse to clamber on here in my view.

I was born in 83, know a lot about her and her policies but they have not affected me directly. I'm not celebrating her death, but neither would I mourn her passing any more than any other woman I just don't know.

She destroyed entire communities- but in some ways, did also do some good. That's about as balanced as its going to get and as a fellow historian, I'm quite happy to leave that there.

You don't have to agree with the anti-thatcher sentiment to understand it though,

I don't. I don't have an opinion. I've stated that above.

I just think that celebrating an old lady's death is absolutely shameful.

[LJS]

Thatchers focus had to be economics due to the state of the country, Churchill as you said had no reason or interest to involve himself in economical policy, well he had more pressing things to worry about in any case. Thatchers foreign policy is so similar to that of Churchills it is scary, all based on "Great" Britain etc etc. Thatcher had great admiration for Churchill, whilst their focuses may not always have aligned, They were at the core, quite similar (or Comparable, something you could perhaps base an analogy on some would say)

Churchill was a complete c**t but indeed completely the right man for the job, cu*ts win wars. The reason I compared the two is because he's been hailed as a political genius in here by people who have little clue what he did or what he was about bar the fact he was PM during WW2.

Hmm. Similar foreign policy rhetoric perhaps but nothing more. Other than the Falklands Thatcher proved pretty weak on foreign policy. She signed up to the Single European Act which remains the biggest giveaway of powers to Europe by this country before or since. And for all her anti-IRA bluster she was the first UK PM to agree shared powers over Northern Ireland with the Republic. Most of her foreign policy approach was to talk bollocks in an attempt to whip up patriotic fervour in order to distract people from her economic policies. It worked, in all fairness to the bitch.

[Tempwan Yierban]

I don't. I don't have an opinion. I've stated that above.

I just think that celebrating an old lady's death is absolutely shameful.

Lamenting it when you don't really know her is a bit silly too. Not aimed at you.

But people do, both ways. You'll never change that.

Most 'celebrity' deaths matter very little to me.

I'll be sad when Dylan goes, that'll be about it.

[Daggers]

I'm 25.

And isn't that obvious.

Oh dear, you disapprove. So the fvck what?

[Guest Bilo]

Ed Milliband's comments are about right for me.

I'm 25. I was never particularly conscious of Thatcher's government, although as a former student of history I think I'm pretty well up on her policies and the divisions they caused.

I always knew she caused pretty extreme views in people. I have spent a lot of my life in the north-east, and my fiancee's late father worked in the mines as a young man. I frequently see the damage that it has done to communities and the abject nothingness of the communities that were once relatively prosperous mining communities.

Daggers can come across as an intelligent poster on a number of matters, but politics is not one. Anything which doesn't fit in with his leftist agenda is immediately met with derision. And today, posting on an elderly woman's death in the manner he has is nothing short of pitiful. Making fun of anybody having a stroke is fvcking embarrassing. Shameful even. I actually didn't think he'd stoop that low.

But at least he might have reason for his disgust at this woman. At least he lived through her policies. Maybe he saw friends and families lose out through her aggressive privatisation. Quite why he wouldn't have had his fun at her expense when she left office rather than after she had died a slow, miserable, lonely death is beyond me, but I can at some level understand his schadenfreude.

But as Alexikokopops said, the Daily Mash has it right. If you didn't live through this woman's reign who the fvck are you to celebrate her death?

Somebody said "well Hitler's dead, can't you dislike him?" Comparing Thatcher to Hitler is absolutely fvcking libellous. Thatcher won three general elections outright. Hitler won none.

Thatcher shut down the mines. Hitler ordered the gassing of six million jews and was responsible for the Second World War, causing one of the largest mass genocides the world has ever seen. CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE?!

The likes of "The Doctor" celebrating her death are pathetic. I bet you haven't got the first fvcking clue about the good she did for our country, along with the bad. For him, a poster who loves to point out how educated he is on matters of science and use it as a stick to beat others with, to preach about something that he has no bloody idea about is hypocrisy at its highest. It's a textbook student liberal agenda with no grounding in the economic or social realities of the time, or what followed. HATE THE TORIES. DESPISE THATCHER. ANTI-WAR. PRO MARIJUANA. It's so simple.

Me? I've got no opinion. She did a lot of bad, she did a lot of good. But that is to be expected, she was in power for 11 years. I was alive for a little more than three years of her premiership. But rather than spending my time drinking to the death of a woman who led our country out of some desperate economic straits and towards a period I'd prefer to reflect on the sad passing of a once strong woman to a cruel and lonely death.

A lot of people have showed their true colours today. For shame.

Edit: Very sorry, no idea why my font has come out that size.

Comparing Hitler to Thatcher is libellous. Which is why I didn't do it. I raised a rhetorical question to get somebody thinking about the flaws in their argument.

I did not compare Thatcher to Hitler.

I did not compare Thatcher to Hitler.

I did not compare Thatcher to Hitler.

I did not compare Thatcher to Hitler.

I did not compare Thatcher to Hitler.

I did not compare Thatcher to Hitler.

[Deucalion]

Would Thatcher have been like Hitler had she been able to get away with it?

[Daggers]

Did Bilo compare Thatcher to Hitler?

[Tempwan Yierban]

Would Thatcher have been like Hitler had she been able to get away with it?

I bet she could have had a good go at growing the 'tache.

[Guest Bilo]

Would Thatcher have been like Hitler had she been able to get away with it?

No.

[Guest ttfn]

I wouldn't say so - she may not have personally been in power at the time, but her political legacy is still going strong with Blair and now Cameron, if naziism was still at that sort of level in modern europe I dare say hating Hitler would be understandable.

What the fvck does this post even mean?

Are you suggesting that you don't hate Hitler now? I'm confused. Just to clarify, people don't like Nazis because they were eugenicists who gassed six million jews, tried to take over the whole of western Europe and were responsible for the deaths of millions of others. Whether or not they have any influence now is completely irrelevant. Their policies were absolutely abhorrent then and are abhorrent now.

Thatcher tried to do her best for the country. She did not start a world war. She did not believe in the supremacy of the British people above all others. She did not persecute Jews. Her views are retained in modern politics because:

a) there was a lot of sense in them to the objective viewer.

b) She has only been out of power for 23 years.

That is of course putting to one side the ludicrous notion that Blair was a disciple of Thatcher, which is clearly utter nonsense.

[Guest Bilo]

Did Bilo compare Thatcher to Hitler?

I swear the IQ level of this forum falls by the hour Daggers.

[Guest ttfn]

And isn't that obvious.

Oh dear, you disapprove. So the fvck what?

I disapprove of you celebrating the death of an old lady with dementia.

It's of course your prerogative. Doesn't mean it's not pathetic.

[Daggers]

b) She has only been out of power for 23 years.

So you were 2 when she was booted out of power?

Hmm. You seem to know loads.

[Tempwan Yierban]

In all honesty ttfn, I don't think that is an objective argument. You say you are not expressing an opinion but your assertion that there was a lot of sense in her views (do you mean policies - since this is what we must judge?) is one of opinion and not fact.

An opinion shared by Blair et al, possibly, but an opinion nonetheless.

[Buzzell]

Just as judgemental as those who have judged her. There isn't a high horse to clamber on here in my view.

I was born in 83, know a lot about her and her policies but they have not affected me directly. I'm not celebrating her death, but neither would I mourn her passing any more than any other woman I just don't know.

She destroyed entire communities- but in some ways, did also do some good. That's about as balanced as its going to get and as a fellow historian, I'm quite happy to leave that there.

You don't have to agree with the anti-thatcher sentiment to understand it though,

And isn't that obvious.

Oh dear, you disapprove. So the fvck what?

He's not 25, 1983, that would make him 30.

[Daggers]

I swear the IQ level of this forum falls by the hour Daggers.

ttfn proves that by the post.

[Tempwan Yierban]

He's not 25, 1983, that would make him 30.

I don't think he was talking about me - he was talking about ttfn.

ps I'm 29!