Deucalion Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Couldn't you find that one of me burning down an orphanage? He didn't actually. He won it as much as the Tories won our last election. Of the top of my head, he had the biggest share of the vote, 37%, and made an alliance with the Catholic Centre Party and Hindenburg to allow him to become chancellor.
Webbo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 And the average turn-out during those elections? From what I can gather it shrunk rapidly, she alienated large swathes of the population. I don't think it did but if it did why wasn't the turnout higher so that people could vote her out?
The Doctor Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 He didn't actually. Did 1933 not exist as a year then? He didn't win out right, but neither did Cam-moron in 2010. I don't think it did but if it did why wasn't the turnout higher so that people could vote her out? I've no idea, I'd assume people had just given up, since we seem to be pathetically apathetic as a nation.
Webbo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 He won it as much as the Tories won our last election. Get over it.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Seems hypocritical to celebrate someones death, i honestly couldn't celebrate anyones death even if it were someone i'd wanted to kill. Unless it were a funeral of course. Guess you didn't buy one of the party packs then
Bugg Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 People often celebrate the deaths of oppressors. For the record I'm not a fan of the Thatcher policies during that time. I was just saying that it's a bit strange to triumphantly broadcast that you're going out to celebrate the death of some old woman who was prime minister over 20 years ago.
yorkie1999 Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I just hope there's not a minutes silence for her.
Bugg Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I just hope there's not a minutes silence for her. Even if there is a planned one I cannot see it going very well. Our fans can't even manage to keep quiet properly on the rememberance fixture, let alone someone who was hated by large percentage of the population.
Vacamion Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I kind of like Ed Milliband's take on it (not the easiest reaction to formulate, given the various interests he is trying to impress). "Of course she was controversial, we disagreed with much of what she did as a Labour Party, but we can disagree and also hugely respect her extraordinary achievements and her extraordinary personal strength," [from the Telegraph] He also offered his condolences to her children. I'll leave the arguments about the rights and wrongs of her policies to everyone posting in this thread, but I have noticed that a lot of vitriolic nonsense has been spouted by young 'uns who did not live through the times they are talking about and appear to have adopted the worst of what they have read. On both sides. Comparing her to a dictator or oppressor is offensive. Despite what you have seen on "Spitting Image" she had to operate within the constraints of cabinet government to a far greater degree than Tony Blair later did. That she did so as a female, at a time when equality was laughable, and as a grocer's daughter in amongst the sons of the Hoi Polloi, deserves admiration, whether you can identify with her politics or not. Shouting about "Party packs" and "ding dong the witch is dead" shows a lack of class and to those who have done, shame on you, you should take a lesson from the leader of the Labour Party.
broughtonblue Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I kind of like Ed Milliband's take on it (not the easiest reaction to formulate, given the various interests he is trying to impress). "Of course she was controversial, we disagreed with much of what she did as a Labour Party, but we can disagree and also hugely respect her extraordinary achievements and her extraordinary personal strength," [from the Telegraph] He also offered his condolences to her children. I'll leave the arguments about the rights and wrongs of her policies to everyone posting in this thread, but I have noticed that a lot of vitriolic nonsense has been spouted by young 'uns who did not live through the times they are talking about and appear to have adopted the worst of what they have read. On both sides. Comparing her to a dictator or oppressor is offensive. Despite what you have seen on "Spitting Image" she had to operate within the constraints of cabinet government to a far greater degree than Tony Blair later did. That she did so as a female, at a time when equality was laughable, and as a grocer's daughter in amongst the sons of the Hoi Polloi, deserves admiration, whether you can identify with her politics or not. Shouting about "Party packs" and "ding dong the witch is dead" shows a lack of class and to those who have done, shame on you, you should take a lesson from the leader of the Labour Party. very well said.
Deucalion Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 For the record I'm not a fan of the Thatcher policies during that time. I was just saying that it's a bit strange to triumphantly broadcast that you're going out to celebrate the death of some old woman who was prime minister over 20 years ago. I suppose the celebration is of the death of her public persona and as a recognition of the damage she did to the country. No one here really knew Thatcher personally, I suppose if they had then they might react differently. Although I did meet her briefly at RAF Waddington. She didn't seem evil in person to be honest !!
Guest Bilo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I suppose the celebration is of the death of her public persona and as a recognition of the damage she did to the country. No one here really knew Thatcher personally, I suppose if they had then they might react differently. Although I did meet her briefly at RAF Waddington. She didn't seem evil in person to be honest !! Apparently she was very kind, caring and empathetic in person. Adolf Hitler was described as a kindly uncle figure by his staff whereas Winston Churchill was widely despised by those working in Downing Street because of his foul temper. I have no idea what point can be made by these observations.
Deucalion Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Apparently she was very kind, caring and empathetic in person. Adolf Hitler was described as a kindly uncle figure by his staff whereas Winston Churchill was widely despised by those working in Downing Street because of his foul temper. I have no idea what point can be made by these observations. She seemed upset that I didn't seem to like her.
Voll Blau Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 This thread is fantastic, I wasn't born for another 16 until after she took over as PM. That's as far as my political awareness towards the woman goes. I wish I had a side to this argument so I could chip in Give me a sales pitch as to which side I should choose? Is she a lovely woman? Or is she a bitch? And, GO! Read up on her yourself, from a variety of sources, then make you own mind up. Don't be told how to think by others.
Daggers Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I just hope there's not a minutes silence for her. Me too - I'll be looking forward to the defeaning sounds of celebration throughout.
HEGGSY Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Read up on her yourself, from a variety of sources, then make you own mind up. Don't be told how to think by others. Oh I have, I was asking purely for my own entertainment
BoneDog Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I think there's going to be a civil war stemming from this.
yorkie1999 Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I think there's going to be a civil war stemming from this. Divide and conquer eh, she already did that
Vacamion Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Just found this on Twitter from the editor of the Telegraph. What kind of a spiteful, hateful, bratty country have we become? It is possible to detest the policies but desist from abuse. Evidently, many people are so emotionally incontinent at the news of Margaret Thatcher's death that they can't help themselves.
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 What are your views on Adolf Hitler? Don't ever compare Adolf Hitler to Margaret Thatcher ever again
Manwell Pablo Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 Hitler won one...what's your point? Actually he didn't win any.
sdb Posted 8 April 2013 Posted 8 April 2013 I don't think you can generate so much hate without being a pretty nasty piece of work. Surely?!
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