Do players improve or regress under Pearson and his staff?

[Jon25747]

Or one Div 3 title and four mid table Div 2 finishes in 5 years - most successful out of lots of crap = best of a bad bunch = not really that good

Ok, even if he is the best of a bad bunch, he is the best we have done it that time.

 

I am not a Pearson bumlicker but I consider myself a realist. If we cant do better (and in my opinion we can't) then why not support him?

[seenitall]

Ok, even if he is the best of a bad bunch, he is the best we have done it that time.

 

I am not a Pearson bumlicker but I consider myself a realist. If we cant do better (and in my opinion we can't) then why not support him?

I support Leicester - it is irrelevant who the manager is as long as we are doing well - we aren't at the moment

[Jon25747]

I support Leicester - it is irrelevant who the manager is as long as we are doing well - we aren't at the moment

I almost completely agree with that apart from the last part.

 

If promotion was the target, then granted we failed but I think we have shown progress and are in a better position than before Pearson. I would give him till December to see how we are doing and if we arent still showing that progress, I agree, that is where we may wish to change.

[lcfc will]

King? No way he has improved since about four years ago.

Nugent? The former England striker? Now should be at the peak of his career, but scored about 1 in 20.

I don't think there are any definite examples of a player improving, yet there are numerous examples of regression.

 

Just because King's scoring less goals doesn't mean he had regressed, his all round game has improved hugely this season

[samgrizz1884]

King? No way he has improved since about four years ago.

Nugent? The former England striker? Now should be at the peak of his career, but scored about 1 in 20.

I don't think there are any definite examples of a player improving, yet there are numerous examples of regression.

Not to forget that when king was banging in 12+ goals he was playing more as a CAM also he had that bad injury to his ankle that near enough kept him out all season.... -_-

[Captain...]

It's funny how some people seem to have forgotten the sublime football we played at times this season, not all season granted, but during our 2 significant winning runs, nobody on here would have said that any of these players hadn't progressed. We were desperately clinging to vardy and waghorn's lack of success in front of goal to criticise the manager with.

At times this season we were unplayable, we looked like true contenders, not just to go up, but to stay up, regardless of what happened after January we were a pleasure to watch for over half the season.

Then it all came tumbling down, and we still don't realty know why, but if the players and the owners thought that failing was down to Pearson he would be gone.

During the first half of the season everyone had progressed, everyone looked great value for money and this sort of a thread would only have served to praise Pearson. As it is, it is being used as a stick to BEat Pearson with as we were only awesome for 2 thirds of the season, and unfortunately the final third is more recent history so people confuse the last 15 games of the season with the actual season.

[Leicester_Numan]

This, I maintain, is the weakest of all the arguments.

We're at the end of the least successful decade in our club's history. To be the most successful manager during that time is like being the most talented member of One Direction.

For six and a half years of that time we were managed by people other than Pearson. So what you're saying is that the three and a half years with Pearson have been more successful than the six and a half years without him, during the biggest period of failure we've ever had.

Interestingly, for one and a half of those 3.5 years we also had the most expensive side in our club's entire history. For three of those six and a half years we were in total financial meltdown.

I also get fed up with fans of Sven and Pearson refusing to acknowledge half seasons as the responsibility of that manager, as if only full seasons should go into consideration. Gillies kept us up in half a season in 58/59, Pleat kept us up in half a season in 87/88. O'Neill took us up in half a season in 95/96. Taylor took us down in far less than half a season in 01/02. Kelly kept us up in half a season in 05/06. So if we can say the likes of Taylor and, say, Sousa were failures on the basis of half a season, and we credit other managers for what they did in half a season, then why do we suddenly ignore it when it suits us to? Managers take credit for results from the day they assume charge. All of them.

Ok, I've always thought it's a weak argument to make considering who he's being compared to, so, for the sake of balance, how many managers have done that for us historically? I can't be bothered to trawl through the records, I suspect you can't either but we both know it's not many. The longer we stay in this division though, the worse his record looks.

[Topman]

Most players improve up to about the age of 30. This really has very little to do with the quality of the Manager. Matty James would have progressed regardless of who was manager..

 

Where Pearson can take credit is by combining him with King to produce POTENTIALLY the best Midfield partnership outside of the Premiership.

 

Players who I think Pearson can take credit for are King, Schlupp and Moore.

 

Same with Knocky: French League 2 to (reported) interest from top Premier Clubs. In the space of 9 months.

 

Wes Morgan is now considered by many to be the best centre-back in the League. I don't think that was the case when he was at Forest.

 

Ben Marshall: Stoke reserve to England U21.

 

Had someone like O'Neill decided to play one of our youth team strikers at left-back, most on here would herald him a genius with an eye for spotting a player's true potential. But because it's Pearson people just moan that he's playing people out of position.

 

Pearson has his weaknesses, but developing and improving young players certainly doesn't appear to be one of them.

It was Sven that played Schlupp at left back not Pearson

[Guest Mee-9]

Wood's regressed. Almost been played as a hoofball striker for the last few months. 

[indierich06]

Wood's regressed. Almost been played as a hoofball striker for the last few months. 

 

If you believe the rumours, he's been playing on painkillers since that 'knee injury'. I would expect him to be back to his best after the summer.

[Guest MattP]

Which is the point at which you appear as hysterically unbending in your opinions as anyone you care to criticise on here - some balance please? You have no idea what money SSL, Danns or Mills were on and arguably (and no doubt you couldn't see through your blinkers to make a reasoned argument) all came to us as quality footballers - Danns was even wanted by Nige at Hull and Beckford scored more in the last few games for Huddersfield than our entire strike force combined. It is relevant to this point - just because Nige coaches certain players to the point they can no longer perform for us doesn't necessarily make them poor footballers.

 

The appeal of a manager like O Neill in the past was that he was able to take average players at other clubs and turn them into great players for us. Nige has achieved this with Wes but his sucess rate is poor when you take into account the number of players he has to admit defeat on, the four you mention, along with Drinkwater, Marshall, Knocky, Wood, Nugent, Kasper, Konch all fitting that category 

 

Defending Nige because you are in love with him is one thing but blatantly ignoring his faults suggests that love is blind!!

 

Stumbled across this classic and it was worth a bump.

 

Thankfully he didn't admit defeat and give up on Drinkwater, Vardy, Nugent, Konch, Kasper and Knocky.

[Guest Col city fan]

Stumbled across this classic and it was worth a bump.

Thankfully he didn't admit defeat and give up on Drinkwater, Vardy, Nugent, Konch, Kasper and Knocky.

To be fair, that's it... Seenitall has NO comeback on that surely..

[Jon25747]

To be fair, that's it... Seenitall has NO comeback on that surely..

 

Haha, I remember getting pretty frustrated at seenitalls shortsightedness!

[Langston]

seenitall was clamouring to have Beckford back ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

What a tinman.

[HEGGSY]

Seenitall is a melt. No idea, just a bitter hated towards NP with no reason for it. Pearson has proved him wrong time and time again and the only time he's popped up this season is the defeat against Forest. Got nothing to say.

[ozleicester]

 Hand's up if you scanned the thread for your username before commenting this time around  

 

Clearly NP is god and every player has improved under his watch  ​ 

[Out Foxed]

Which is the point at which you appear as hysterically unbending in your opinions as anyone you care to criticise on here - some balance please? You have no idea what money SSL, Danns or Mills were on and arguably (and no doubt you couldn't see through your blinkers to make a reasoned argument) all came to us as quality footballers - Danns was even wanted by Nige at Hull and Beckford scored more in the last few games for Huddersfield than our entire strike force combined. It is relevant to this point - just because Nige coaches certain players to the point they can no longer perform for us doesn't necessarily make them poor footballers.

 

The appeal of a manager like O Neill in the past was that he was able to take average players at other clubs and turn them into great players for us. Nige has achieved this with Wes but his sucess rate is poor when you take into account the number of players he has to admit defeat on, the four you mention, along with Drinkwater, Marshall, Knocky, Wood, Nugent, Kasper, Konch all fitting that category 

 

Defending Nige because you are in love with him is one thing but blatantly ignoring his faults suggests that love is blind!!

[Babylon]

Seenitall wasn't the only one...  Interesting read!!

 

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/85661-schlupp-trial-at-manchester-united/page-9

[Guest Col city fan]

Seenitall wasn't the only one... Interesting read!!

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/85661-schlupp-trial-at-manchester-united/page-9

Bloody Hell Babs! You didn't half go on in that thread! As usual though, you (and Corky) were proven pretty much correct as much as I could see. (Is that why you picked it out perchance?)

Fair play to you though, I find you funny when you get sooooo wound up, but you usually get stuff right. The Seenitall post, fetched up by Matt really was a beauty..

[LCCFox96]

We know from the past players tend to improve under Pearson and he has been very good at getting the best out of them. I agree this has happened to a lesser extent this time around but our younger squad age meaning any development is projected over a longer period of time may have something to do with this. It is mainly the senior players who plateaued this year although Nugent has contributed more with goals/assists and Kasper has more clean sheets this year.

I think this year the biggest improvement have been team unity - something we have lacked since the first season back in the championship - and this has seen us through many games this season. Well that and the undoubted quality in our side. We can hardly say we have gone backwards since Pearson and his staff arrived.

[Babylon]

Bloody Hell Babs! You didn't half go on in that thread! As usual though, you (and Corky) were proven pretty much correct as much as I could see. (Is that why you picked it out perchance?)

Fair play to you though, I find you funny when you get sooooo wound up, but you usually get stuff right. The Seenitall post, fetched up by Matt really was a beauty..

I found that one the other day when looking for something else so it stuck in my head, there were a few threads on the subject and I think I probably said the same in most of them.

 

I wouldn't say wound up, just frustrated that people are so quick to blame managers when there are often mitigating circumstances, or other reasons to explain why something has happened. I'm not going to sit here and say I knew Pearson would do this, or do that as I didn't.