davieG Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 David Davies fears English taxpayers will one day 'wake up' to the unfairness of devolution Continue reading the main story Related Stories Devolution inquiry hits the road Sort out English devolution - MPs MPs debate the English question Failure to devolve power to England could threaten the future of the UK, two senior MPs say. Monmouth Tory MP David Davies, chair of the Welsh Affairs select committee, said English taxpayers may "wake up" to the unfairness of the situation. Labour MP Graham Allen, whose select committee oversees constitutional reform, fears it could boost UKIP. Their warnings come as the UK government considers giving Wales major borrowing and taxation powers. The recommendation was made in a report by the Silk Commission into scope for further devolution for Wales. Scotland, which already has tax varying powers, could also get additional financial powers regardless of the result of next year's referendum on independence. Both developments would leave England without devolved powers which has prompted the concern of the two MPs. Continue reading the main story “ Start Quote One of these days... taxpayers in England are going to wake up, realise that this is happening, say it's absolutely outrageous†David Davies Monmouth MP 'Grossly unfair' Mr Davies told the BBC's Sunday Politics Wales programme: "I can vote for higher student fees in England while supporting a situation where students don't pay those fees in Wales. "This is grossly unfair and the reason why people in Wales and Scotland should care about it, at least those who are unionists should care about it, is because that basic unfairness is likely to fracture the union. "One of these days, people in England, taxpayers in England, are going to wake up, realise that this is happening, say it's absolutely outrageous and we're not having it any more, you know, let them [the UK nations] go their own separate ways." Nottingham North MP Graham Allen, who chairs the select committee on political and constitutional reform, said the main political parties had to get a grip of the issue. He said: "If they don't, the conventional political parties are going to leave the field free to other organisations like UKIP, who frankly don't have many policies at the moment, who might seize that opportunity and be the party of English devolution. "That I think would be a very bad thing for the conventional parties and a very bad thing for the people in England. "If you have those two key principles together, devolution and union, I think we'll put nationalism back in the box." Running scared Continue reading the main story “ Start Quote UKIP are now setting the agenda for these parties as we've seen in so many decisions†Kevin Mahoney UKIP Mr Allen said devolution had been a success in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and he would like to see it applied to councils in England. Failure to do so will increase discontent, he believes. Kevin Mahoney, a UKIP councillor in Wales, believes it is clear the traditional parties are running scared. "They assumed the votes of the people and now they're just waking up to the fact of how disliked, despised or whatever they are, and they see UKIP coming up on the rails," he said. "Yes, they are reacting and to a certain degree UKIP are now setting the agenda for these parties as we've seen in so many decisions." Labour had planned to devolve powers from Westminster to regional assemblies in England but that was stopped after the North East delivered an emphatic "no" vote almost a decade ago. Prime Minister David Cameron went to Scotland on Friday to tell his party conference that 2014 would be the year in which to save the union as a referendum is held on the issue of independence. He said a future Conservative government would deliver "strong alternatives" to keep the UK together.
flowwolf Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 No one gives a fvck about the English anyway. Hell we don't even have the name English on official forms anymore , we are persona non grata and have no voice.
Rincewind Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 No one gives a fvck about the English anyway. Hell we don't even have the name English on official forms anymore , we are persona non grata and have no voice. Yep. What country UK. UK is not a country.
Captain... Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 This all came up after Scottish devolution, it only really matters if the Welsh and Scottish have any sort of majority and actual influence, at the moment the number of MPs isn't sufficient to make their voting have any influence. They could vote for higher tuition fees in England and lower tuition fees in Wales, but it would still be the English votes that decide it. It's just this way they get a bit of say in their own country rather than having it dictated to them.
MooseBreath Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Is it me or do the Welsh seem to just disagree with the English every time they get a chance. I'm sure they're enjoying their power but surely they're supposed to be acting in the best interests of their hill tribes and not just satisfying their own sad little ego
Rincewind Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I don't have the advantage of knowing every single Welshman so personally I could not answer that.
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Is it me or do the Welsh seem to just disagree with the English every time they get a chance. I'm sure they're enjoying their power but surely they're supposed to be acting in the best interests of their hill tribes and not just satisfying their own sad little ego No we don't, that's ridiculous, what a load of tripe, you couldn't be more wrong, what an idiot!
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I don't have the advantage of knowing every single Welshman so personally I could not answer that. Yes you do, you know them all! That's bullshit! You could definitely answer that!
MooseBreath Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I don't have the advantage of knowing every single Welshman so personally I could not answer that. I'm talking about the political decisions they make ken, not the opiniona of individual welshmen. Is that ok ken?
Rincewind Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I'm talking about the political decisions they make ken, not the opiniona of individual welshmen. Is that ok ken? Well it narrows it down a bit so yes I'll leyt you off.
Vacamion Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 It's certainly less than equitable that MPs from the parts of the UK with devolved governments are able to vote on issues which, in their own constituencies, are decided by the devolved administrations. The 'West Lothian Question'. Whilst some favour a separate devolved English Assembly, I think the last thing taxpayers in England want is another layer of Government to pay for. Maybe the best solution would be for Westminster MPs from constituencies with devolved govt to be banned from voting on all matters which are devolved. This would give the Conservatives a large majority and free reign in 'English' politics. Tory wet dream.
lavrentis Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Always wondered why Welsh pay less for things on the NHS
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Always wondered why Welsh pay less for things on the NHS Cos we invented it.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Heard a cracking insult at the pub yesterday from a millionaire. "The sort of people who have to use the NHS"
leicsmac Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Heard a cracking insult at the pub yesterday from a millionaire. "The sort of people who have to use the NHS" And then they say all the hate is based on envy. No boys, it's just that most of you are cvnts.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Was up there with "sort of people who have to buy their own furniture"
leicsmac Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Or perhaps "sort of people who have to book airline tickets".
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Devolution? I thought it said revolution. Sorry folks.
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