digitalalba Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 June 4 2013 approximately 1.30pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIF_biJ8rooWayne, You don't have to be there for every constituent.Its a serious level of inconsideration.Lee, I'd say discriminationWayne, YesLee, We'll call it discriminationWayne, Yes, okMr Naylor backtracks later saying, I will have to see whether its discrimination.Going on the links, the English Community Group (Leicester) has asked the mayor of Leicester many times for a meeting to disscuss the views of the ECG(L) regarding the prosperity of the English as a racial group of people in Leicester, the mayor ignored the requests.Then the mayor met with other specifically racial groups of people, thus giving the impression he didn't give the ECG(L) a meeting because of their specific racial make-up.There are other links via the youtube clip, which show numerous requests for meetings with Leicester City Council and elected members to disscuss issues relating to the English as a racial group of people, with the ECG(L), that were effectively fobbed off.It seems, that the ECG(L) and the English as a whole, are being racially discriminated against by elected officials and tax funded employees, as if the English simply do not matter. The only technical quandry, is that there is no absolute specific piece of evidence that could prove racism.
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 ... The English aren't a distinct "racial" (ethnic) group. White British is our ethnicity. English is a nationality, one shared by many non-white British residents of the city of Leicester who were born and raised here.
digitalalba Posted 10 June 2013 Author Posted 10 June 2013 English identity explained Non legalistic easy to understand terms. The English gave their name to England and have lived in her ever since. People who have since come to England and merged into the English population asserting an English identity and are fairly indistinguishable from the English, and claim no identity other than English, and are accepted by the English as being one of their own, are English. In England, no community has easily definable borders but if there are settler communties such as Indian, African Caribbean, Irish, Polish, Pakistani, Somali and West Indian etc etc then there is most definitely also an English community. If someone states that settlers of the Indian, African Caribbean, Irish, Polish, Pakistani, Somali and West Indian community are English, then they are suggesting that there is no Indian, African Caribbean, Irish, Polish, Pakistani, Somali or West Indian community as opposed to an English community. Belonging to any Ethnic group can be based on a 3 point criteria of 1: Assertion 2: Indistinguishable and 3: Acceptance. 1: You assert that you belong to the ethnic group and no other ethnic group. 2: You are fairly indistinguishable from the ethnic group. 3: If you are accepted by the group then you are of the group. LEGAL DEFINITION For the purpose of the Equalities Act the English are recognised as a racial group which consist of all those people who by reason of their descent or origin or integration are of the people who constitute the English racial nation. If a person claims or is recognised as having another ethnic or national origin other than English, that person is either of mixed racial origin or wholly of that other racial origin. The courts have set out the following test for individual membership of a racial group for the purposes of the Equalities Act:- (a) one has a [reasonable] belief that one is a member of the racial group; and (b) other members of the group accept one as a member. It is possible to be a 100% member of an ethnic or nation racial group if one is not also a member of another similar type racial group by virtue of the application of the tests at (a) and (b) above. One's DNA mix is not relevant. In other words, it is possible to be 100% ethnic/racially English. Those who cannot grasp this have usually confused the legal existence of ethnic or racial nation groups and the membership of such groups with dubious and non-legal concepts concerning race purity, DNA purity and/or ancestral purity. http://www.theecgl.org/englishethnicity.htm
Father Ted Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Ok, I'll give a good shot at replying to this without trying to break libel rules... I am 2nd generation born Serb and consider myself White British ethnicity. My family, friends and myself (not just Serbs) have had many run ins with two men in particular (Vaz and Soulsby). It saddens me to think that we live in a society where EVERYBODY knows their backgrounds yet they rule without any opposition. For example, how can this sick b*stard now be my local councillor? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6709499.stm Vaz only has interests for himself and to help Indian immigrants (new, not 1st/2nd/3rd generation)* ALLEGEDLY and Vaz was *ALLEGEDLY found on recording to have said that he wanted to make Hamilton into 'Little India'. Soulsby however is a slimy one. Did he become mayor fairly? Soulsby has a very 'special' alliance with high powered members of the Muslim community *ALLEGEDLY. It is as if they favour minority ethnic groups in return for votes. If you are from a 'certain' Ethnic background you receive all sorts of grants. 'Certain' immigrant groups were receiving £5000 tax and interest free GRANTS from the Leicester City Council to 'start businesses'. They were all told to keep it quiet. How it was let slip? One went and bought a flash Merc with it. I also recently overheard a conversation between a friend of mine and a Somali who he knows, to which the Somali lad said how he had injured his cruciate knee ligaments playing football so the council gave his mum a car, insurance and tax paid for to drive him around for 18 months. WHAT THE ****. I know I wouldn't get it if I walked in. I also have two BIG stories which would make big news regarding the two above but best for my own sake not to right that on here. But in response to the OP, yes, there IS discrimination.
Renart Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I am not going to get into your discussion of the term 'English' here (although I do believe that your interpretation does not stand up) but I will say here that I am not sure that you can claim that this guy admits discrimination - that is plainly obvious. Wayne, You don't have to be there for every constituent.Its a serious level of inconsideration.Lee, I'd say discriminationWayne, YesLee, We'll call it discriminationWayne, Yes, okMr Naylor backtracks later saying, I will have to see whether its discrimination. The use of 'yes' and 'yes, ok' cannot be taken as agreement with the statement and should only be read as an acknowledment of a view-point. Wayne is led by the two statements highlighted - they are not his statements and the video clearly shows nothing more than an attempt to catch him out. As for whether the group should be granted an audience, well, that is another matter entirely.
digitalalba Posted 10 June 2013 Author Posted 10 June 2013 Councillor Wayne Naylor was agreeing to the assertion that Peter Soulsby was being racially discriminate against the English. Mr Igram Said we'll call it discrimination, Councillor Naylor agreed. Councillor Naylor could've said, well im not going to agree to that, but he didn't. In other parts of the conversation, Councillor Naylor vaguely replied to the questions posed by Mr Ingram for fear of, shall we say, incriminating himself?
lavrentis Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 No surprises unfortunately. Funny thing is white's are a minority now
purpleronnie Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 No surprises unfortunately. Funny thing is white's are a minority now
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 No surprises unfortunately. Funny thing is white's are a minority now What has colour got to do with it? Some of the most English people I know are Asian and black. By contrast, some of the least integrated foreign nationals I've ever met in Leicester were white Europeans. But you're not a racist, are you kiddo? No UKIP supporter is.
lavrentis Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 What has colour got to do with it? Some of the most English people I know are Asian and black. By contrast, some of the least integrated foreign nationals I've ever met in Leicester were white Europeans. But you're not a racist, are you kiddo? No UKIP supporter is. Kiddo !! you do try hard don't you
purpleronnie Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 What has colour got to do with it? Some of the most English people I know are Asian and black. By contrast, some of the least integrated foreign nationals I've ever met in Leicester were white Europeans. But you're not a racist, are you kiddo? No UKIP supporter is. Everything if your Mr lav....ooohh lav...toilet....crap.....is there some similarity there?
lavrentis Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I can assure you it takes very little effort. I'm sure this is the case fella Everything if your Mr lav....ooohh lav...toilet....crap.....is there some similarity there? By whites I did mean White British, but please don't forget to take great offence at that mishap and then call me Adolf Hitler.
Babylon Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Councillor Wayne Naylor was agreeing to the assertion that Peter Soulsby was being racially discriminate against the English. Mr Igram Said we'll call it discrimination, Councillor Naylor agreed. Councillor Naylor could've said, well im not going to agree to that, but he didn't. In other parts of the conversation, Councillor Naylor vaguely replied to the questions posed by Mr Ingram for fear of, shall we say, incriminating himself? And he was in no way directed towards that conclusion in a what was clearly a pre planned event with a camera in the corner. What a load of crap
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 The Labour party hates anyone who doesn't vote for it. If you are white British and vote for Labour then fcuk me what a life you must have. They don't want people to have aspirations or become a success. Those sort aren't their voting core.
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Surely it's only ever important if the majority of the population don't consider themselves either part of or capable of being part of the wider Leicester (or British) community. I personally couldn't give a shit if my neighbors are biologically or culturally white, British, Polish or Pakistani as long as they want to be here and are happy to co-habit with me peacefully.
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 The Labour party hates anyone who doesn't vote for it. If you are white British and vote for Labour then fcuk me what a life you must have. They don't want people to have aspirations or become a success. Those sort aren't their voting core. The Tories only care about their own voters, most parties do. That's how they get elected, energizing their demographic and getting them to the polls. Very few people swap allegiances in their life, we're all pretty entrenched.
leicsmac Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 The Labour party hates anyone who doesn't vote for it. If you are white British and vote for Labour then fcuk me what a life you must have. They don't want people to have aspirations or become a success. Those sort aren't their voting core. Define success. The Tories only care about their own voters, most parties do. That's how they get elected, energizing their demographic and getting them to the polls. Very few people swap allegiances in their life, we're all pretty entrenched. True enough.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 The Tories only care about their own voters, most parties do. That's how they get elected, energizing their demographic and getting them to the polls. Very few people swap allegiances in their life, we're all pretty entrenched. If the Tories really care about their own voters they have had a funny way of showing it over the last couple of years.
Carl the Llama Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Define success. Lots of money and not a single foreign person in sight.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Define success. . Achieving more in life than you ever dared to dream when young. Lots of money and not a single foreign person in sight. Racist! Nazi! Bigot! Homophobe!
Finnegan Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 If the Tories really care about their own voters they have had a funny way of showing it over the last couple of years. Er, where as they've done wonders for the typical Labour demographic?
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