What has life taught you?

[The People's Hero]

I don't think it's how good looking you are naturally but more to do with how well turned out you are. Not many of the senior partners or board-level management at my place would ever be described as good-looking, but they are always well groomed and wearing proper clothes. Anyone can do that, so the advantage is yours to grasp.

The self-confidence gained from being good-looking probably helps a bit, but it can also work against you. I've seen plenty of good-looking women fall foul of serious bitterness from uglier colleagues which has ultimately held the pretty girl back, and I'm sure some blokes have experienced the same.

I think looks can be an advantage but its equally important to make the best of what you have as above. Be presentable, smart and well turned out.

[Mike Oxlong]

Do you often feel you've been judged more on looks than ability Ken ?

 

It seems pretty obvious looks will enter into the equation in the affairs of the heart but that's not really what i'm talking about.

 

The point I'm trying to make is, however we may try to convince ourselves otherwise ,  I maintain we give an advantage to those we consider attractive .It's not just a sexual thing , it just seems to me that we are more  harsh when judging fatter , skinnier , short arsey, weedier uglier looking people than we are when we judge more attractive ones. 

 

And I don't care how many American self esteem building courses are undertaken , we'll still ( sub conciously) favour the attractive ones over the less so.

I think it's time to confess your mancrush.

[Zingari]

I don't think it's how good looking you are naturally but more to do with how well turned out you are. Not many of the senior partners or board-level management at my place would ever be described as good-looking, but they are always well groomed and wearing proper clothes. Anyone can do that, so the advantage is yours to grasp.

The self-confidence gained from being good-looking probably helps a bit, but it can also work against you. I've seen plenty of good-looking women fall foul of serious bitterness from uglier colleagues which has ultimately held the pretty girl back, and I'm sure some blokes have experienced the same.

 

There's definitely something in what your saying here I will admit .

Don't get me wrong , I'm not saying to be successful you need to look like George Clooney or Angelina Jolie , but most of the successful people I have dealt with or see are ( or more usually were) quite attractive people in youth and were always popular early in life.

 

Just take the top politicians from UK /USA in recent years , Blair,Brown,Harman, Mowlam  Darling, Prescott, Balls ,Cameron Osbourne  Johnson , Burnam , Duncan-Smith,  Obama , Kennedy ( all of them) , Bush, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Kerry ,Hart,  all seemed to be attractive types.

I know some seem not to be so attractive now but  at least in youth they mostly were,  but age is a great leveller.

 

 

It's often said that JFK  really only beat Nixon on a televised TV debate due to attractiveness .

[Guest MattP]

There's definitely something in what your saying here I will admit .

Don't get me wrong , I'm not saying to be successful you need to look like George Clooney or Angelina Jolie , but most of the successful people I have dealt with or see are ( or more usually were) quite attractive people in youth and were always popular early in life.

 

Just take the top politicians from UK /USA in recent years , Blair,Brown,Harman, Mowlam  Darling, Prescott, Balls ,Cameron Osbourne  Johnson , Burnam , Duncan-Smith,  Obama , Kennedy ( all of them) , Bush, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Kerry ,Hart,  all seemed to be attractive types.

I know some seem not to be so attractive now but  at least in youth they mostly were,  but age is a great leveller.

 

:blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:  You may as well have thrown Ann Widdecombe in as well.

 

I don't think it's attractiveness but rather how you present yourself. I know some right ugly bastards that have progressed because they are always turned out nice, people will much rather look at your shoes, belt and tie than your face when we are talking about situations of power.

 

Unfortunately some people who don't look too good then decided to make absolutely no effort into how they groom or dress themselves, then when they don't get what they want will blame it on "looks" when in reality it's probably absolutely nothing to do with that.

 

Ever watch the Elephant Man? Even he moved into the higher echelons of society when he put a nice suit on and took care of himself.

[purpleronnie]

:blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:  You may as well have thrown Ann Widdecombe in as well.

 

I don't think it's attractiveness but rather how you present yourself. I know some right ugly bastards that have progressed because they are always turned out nice, people will much rather look at your shoes, belt and tie than your face when we are talking about situations of power.

 

Unfortunately some people who don't look too good then decided to make absolutely no effort into how they groom or dress themselves, then when they don't get what they want will blame it on "looks" when in reality it's probably absolutely nothing to do with that.

 

Ever watch the Elephant Man? Even he moved into the higher echelons of society when he put a nice suit on and took care of himself.

I bloody hope so, because if they don't I'm screwed.

[Zingari]

I was just checking to see if anyone  was actually reading my posts 

[Bert]

Don't touch a live cable.

 

In all seriousness, look after number 1 and trust no fooker And if you want something bad enough, work hard and you will achieve your dreams.

[Zingari]

Don't touch a live cable.

 

In all seriousness, look after number 1 and trust no fu[i/]cker! And if you want something bad enough, work hard and you will achieve your dreams.

Tell that to the millions of workers in sweatshops around the world. 

 

 

I know what you mean though 

[MooseBreath]

Tell that to the millions of workers in sweatshops around the world.

I know what you mean though

Most people are capable of limiting their serious dreams to within reason.

[Zingari]

Most people are capable of limiting their serious dreams to within reason.

My dreams aren't within reason.

 

Well not if the likelihood of me having it away with  Cheryl Cole is classed as within reason.

[Rincewind]

Just seen this. Good advice. Maybe some (including me) should think of this before posting a reply.

 

 

Ricky Gervais

Ignore people who insult or criticise you. They're clearly not happy. So, they've already had their punishment and you've had your revenge

[Zingari]

I've met lots of unhappy people and had loads of revenge then 

[MooseBreath]

I assume Gervais is being sarcastic. His whole career is based on taking the piss out of others.

[Zingari]

I assume Gervais is being sarcastic. His whole career is based on taking the piss out of others.

Maybe it's his way of telling us how unhappy he really is . Tears of a clown and all that 

[MooseBreath]

Maybe it's his way of telling us how unhappy he really is . Tears of a clown and all that

He seems like one of those people who finds happiness, or at least humour, in being unhappy. You know. Some people just aren't happy unless they've got something to be unhappy about.

[Zingari]

He seems like one of those people who finds happiness, or at least humour, in being unhappy. You know. Some people just aren't happy unless they've got something to be unhappy about.

you're probably right. Ben Elton seemed to be at his best when he was ranting about something or other. Usually Maggie T.

[Rincewind]

Maybe it's his way of telling us how unhappy he really is . Tears of a clown and all that 

Maybe he is being sarcastic but in a way I have always thought the same. I've had a few insults in my time and in a way I feel sorry for them because what sort of life do they have to have to resort to insults. They are insecure about something and need to make themselves look better.

Of course the person making the insult won't see it like this but that's their lookout.

[The People's Hero]

Maybe he is being sarcastic but in a way I have always thought the same. I've had a few insults in my time and in a way I feel sorry for them because what sort of life do they have to have to resort to insults. They are insecure about something and need to make themselves look better.

Of course the person making the insult won't see it like this but that's their lookout.

 

So why your crusade against high earners, professionals, bankers & politicians?

 

Could that not be a window in to your own insecurities? Or does it only apply to other people?

Something to consider.

[Rincewind]

As I have said many times before I am not against business high earners or bankers but those that cheat the system be it unemployed bloke who does work on the side or the board director that avoids paying taxes by banking in offshore banks. . This affects the average bloke   who is  trying to raise a family and pay off a mortgage

I do not think I am the only one on this forum that has lost trust in politicians. OF ALL PARTIES.

 

What has this got to do with the quote anyway?

What it is saying is that those that continue to criticise and maybe hurl abuse are part way to losing the argument because they are unable to debate in a civil manner. I find that quite reasonable.

[The People's Hero]

I completely agree.

I also tend to think that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Zingari]

I completely agree.

I also tend to think that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Anyone stupid enough to live in a glass house deserves all they get .

[Rincewind]

I did say in my OP that I included myself to think before replying not in ref to insulting but taking the bait. I have done so on a few occasions when I know ignore would be best.

[The People's Hero]

Criticism is fine. Its helpful to know what others think of you - and in an educational/professional capacity, its essential.

 

Equally, there are things which absolutely need to be criticised and condemned. Try reading 'and then they came for me' or whatever its called and then perhaps we can have a proper discussion about this?

 

Is there not a teeny weeny, ever so tiny bit of irony in criticising people for criticising others anyway?

 

I imagine this will be lost on most of you, but I had to type it out. Humour me, will you?

 

Thanks

[Rincewind]

Nothing wrong with constructive criticism. I was thinking more of the insulting type.

[The People's Hero]

Its really the same thing, albeit perhaps expressed a little differently, I'd argue it is really the perception of the person being criticised, ie whether or not you want to be a victim or not.

 

Clearly if someone is ranting and effing and blinding calling you all the name under the sun, that's different, but generally, when people are really hurt by 'insults' its because its really just some well directed criticism that they didn't want to hear.