Imams willing to marry girls of 14 in secret

[ADK]

click on the number and it gives a list of the people who +1'ed it.

 

 

Thanks.

[Rincewind]

damn found out.

[Captain...]

Hmm, I'm going to guess here that these marriages are not registered, so not recognised by anyone other than the mosque, so therefore not illegal as not a marriage, no different to a couple of hippies tying flowers around their wrists and declaring their eternal love in front of Gaia.

Now the age thing, as others have said consent is different for other countries and cultures, but that is for sex, now as long as no sex happens in this so-called marriage, then no UK law has been broken.

Finally the forced aspect of it, this is generally forced by the parents and is therefore an arranged marriage not a forced one, but as it is not a legal marriage, should they not like it they can leave.

[Guest MattP]

Lovely liberal thinking Captain but that's a mile off what happens in the real World. Seen some naviety and turning the other cheek on here but that's up there with Ken's best work.

 

It's a mile off two hippies tying flowers around as there is a massive chance child abuse will be occuring very shortly after the act that certain mosque is performing, if you genuinely think the guy who steps forward to marry the 14 year old will wait two years until it's legal under British law then I don't there is any point on us carrying this conversation on.

 

As for the last line, you really think any parent who forces their 14 year old daughter into a marriage is just going to let them "walk away if they don't like it"?.

 

They'll be dead and buried in a field in Cumbria before that happens.

[James.]

Lovely liberal thinking Captain but that's a mile off what happens in the real World. Seen some naviety and turning the other cheek on here but that's up there with Ken's best work.

 

 

Got to agree. Smacks of someone who wants to have an opinion on something they really don't know that much about . Classic Shrappers!  

[Rincewind]

I'm being accused of turning the other cheek? Is that the same as ignoring stories that do not fit into your point of view even though they come from accounts of first hand experiences?

I would think the best people to ask about this subject would be the ones that go to a Mosque rather than a person who's favourite person would not be a Muslim. 

Stupid idea I know but just a thought.

[Webbo]

I'm being accused of turning the other cheek? Is that the same as ignoring stories that do not fit into your point of view even though they come from accounts of first hand experiences?

I would think the best people to ask about this subject would be the ones that go to a Mosque rather than a person who's favourite person would not be a Muslim. 

Stupid idea I know but just a thought.

You mean ask a grown man who's just married a 14 year old if he thinks it's a good idea? Hmmm I wonder what he'll say.

[Guest MattP]

I'm being accused of turning the other cheek? Is that the same as ignoring stories that do not fit into your point of view even though they come from accounts of first hand experiences?

I would think the best people to ask about this subject would be the ones that go to a Mosque rather than a person who's favourite person would not be a Muslim. 

Stupid idea I know but just a thought.

 

And by first hand experience you mean "brother's dog's uncle, who has a daughter who was made homeless as soon as the Tories got in because of the bedroom tax".

 

Do you think you'll get a honest answer then if you can locate a person prepared to marry a 14 year old in a mosque?

 

It's your point of view of thinking and attitudes that you can leave things to people without any responsibility or repercussions that leads to places like this being allowed to operate outside of the law.

 

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Clock-ticking-controversial-Muslim-school/story-19907491-detail/story.html#axzz2hDWuVZ3X

[Guest MattP]

You mean ask a grown man who's just married a 14 year old if he thinks it's a good idea? Hmmm I wonder what he'll say.

 

Well of course.

 

In Ken's World people would be brought before a judge and then either jailed or released on whether they pleaded Guilty or Not.

 

Just sticking up for the little guy though of course.

[Rincewind]

You mean ask a grown man who's just married a 14 year old if he thinks it's a good idea? Hmmm I wonder what he'll say.

I believe you have verified my point.

[Webbo]

I believe you have verified my point.

I'm glad to hear that because, to be quite honest, I have no idea what your point is.

[Guest MattP]

I believe you have verified my point.

 

Let's also ask Jimmy Savile and Stuart Hall if they like kids while we are at it?

[Rincewind]

I'm glad to hear that because, to be quite honest, I have no idea what your point is.

never mind forget it.

[Rincewind]

I went to a mosque in Leicester last week. The Imam said to us that in Islam, if any of the muslim laws contradict the laws of the land, then the laws of the land take priority.

 

It's a shame some Muslims don't seem to know (or ignore) this.

This goes some way to what I was saying.

[Webbo]

never mind forget it.

No, your opinions are  important to me Ken. I see you've edited you post highligting this bit;

I would think the best people to ask about this subject would be the ones that go to a Mosque rather than a person who's favourite person would not be a Muslim. 

 

Are you implying that by being unsympathetic to paedophiles that makes me racist? 

[Rincewind]

No, your opinions are  important to me Ken. I see you've edited you post highligting this bit;

Are you implying that by being unsympathetic to paedophiles that makes me racist? 

Not at all. I am saying that it is likely that in the majority of mosques they do dot recommend this practice but to comply with the laws of the land. I am not 100% sure of this of course as I am speaking as a non religious non Muslim who has never been in a Mosque.

Is it not possible that the ones getting most 'pleasure' out of this story will be the ones who are not too keen on Muslims as it will 'prove their point'?'

[Guest MattP]

Not at all. I am saying that it is likely that in the majority of mosques they do dot recommend this practice but to comply with the laws of the land. I am not 100% sure of this of course as I am speaking as a non religious non Muslim who has never been in a Mosque.

Is it not possible that the ones getting most 'pleasure' out of this story will be the ones who are not too keen on Muslims as it will 'prove their point'?'

 

Are you really that obsessed with not seeing the bad in everyone you actually can't see why people are appalled by the fact some organisations in England have leaders and people with influence who see marrying a 14 year old as normal?

 

You clearly haven't even read the article either.

[Zingari]

Genuine question Ken,so don't be offended , but  I'm never quite sure why you seem so intent on defending Islam , or at least looking for all the positives but never criticising it.

All other religions you seem to roundly condemn and mock as anti scientific , medieval,  barbaric or just plain stupid etc etc and constantly refer to them as nothing more than beardy men in clouds ordering the adherents around.

 

Does Islam fit into any one of these categories ?

[Guest MattP]

Good luck getting an answer on that making any sense or referencing the point. He's the most subservient dhimmi I've ever met and I've met more than my fair share..

[Captain...]

Lovely liberal thinking Captain but that's a mile off what happens in the real World. Seen some naviety and turning the other cheek on here but that's up there with Ken's best work.

It's a mile off two hippies tying flowers around as there is a massive chance child abuse will be occuring very shortly after the act that certain mosque is performing, if you genuinely think the guy who steps forward to marry the 14 year old will wait two years until it's legal under British law then I don't there is any point on us carrying this conversation on.

As for the last line, you really think any parent who forces their 14 year old daughter into a marriage is just going to let them "walk away if they don't like it"?.

They'll be dead and buried in a field in Cumbria before that happens.

I'm just interpreting the article, no mention of underage sex or even it being against the wishes of the child, just that someone posing as a parent asked for an Imam to marry their child. Now you can imply all the paedophilia you want, but there is no mention of it in the article. You can imply that children are forced into it against their will but there is no mention of that in the article. If these things are happening then obviously the police should get involved, and efforts should be made, as I believe they have been previously, to make the victims here aware that they are not legally married and are free to leave these marriages, but when that happened in the past very few people came forward to seek protection.

This is a far cry from Muslim paedophile gangs that are grooming kids for abuse, but the link is enough for people to get all worked about all Muslims being paedos, some times you have to live and let live Matt, there is no evidence in that article that any harm comes to the children 'married' in there situations, I'm sure it does I'm not naive, but if they talked about that rather than some 'sting' operation on Imams I'd have more interest in the article, but it's an outrageous headline based on very little fact designed to stir up anti Muslim feelings.

[Rincewind]

Genuine question Ken,so don't be offended , but  I'm never quite sure why you seem so intent on defending Islam , or at least looking for all the positives but never criticising it.

All other religions you seem to roundly condemn and mock as anti scientific , medieval,  barbaric or just plain stupid etc etc and constantly refer to them as nothing more than beardy men in clouds ordering the adherents around.

 

Does Islam fit into any one of these categories ?

Good question. Muslims seem to get more stick on here though. I'm not for or a. gainst any single religion. There are good aspects to them. Most started as enforcing a moral code and basically that was treat others decent Which I try to do. But I don't think I need a big invisible man in the sky to tell me this. Religion has been taken over by power people but I don't think the majority take up are bad people so I cannot say all Muslims force girls to have sex. As I said I have not been in a Mosque so I may be wrong and there are orgies and paedo gangs inside but it would be foolish to say so. If others think it fair enough they have the right to say it. Just voicing an opinion that the stories may be a little exagerated until proven otherwise.

Yes Islam does fit in with the rest. They just have another beardy friend to tell them what to do which is OK when it is good things.

[Zingari]

Cheers Ken, but why attack and mock Christians etc if the beardy man is telling them to do good things ?

[absolutelegend]

Honestly, I couldn't give two hoots what religion they are.

[ADK]

I'm just interpreting the article, no mention of underage sex or even it being against the wishes of the child, just that someone posing as a parent asked for an Imam to marry their child. Now you can imply all the paedophilia you want, but there is no mention of it in the article. You can imply that children are forced into it against their will but there is no mention of that in the article. If these things are happening then obviously the police should get involved, and efforts should be made, as I believe they have been previously, to make the victims here aware that they are not legally married and are free to leave these marriages, but when that happened in the past very few people came forward to seek protection.

This is a far cry from Muslim paedophile gangs that are grooming kids for abuse, but the link is enough for people to get all worked about all Muslims being paedos, some times you have to live and let live Matt, there is no evidence in that article that any harm comes to the children 'married' in there situations, I'm sure it does I'm not naive, but if they talked about that rather than some 'sting' operation on Imams I'd have more interest in the article, but it's an outrageous headline based on very little fact designed to stir up anti Muslim feelings.

 

It was made clear to the imam in the video clip that was shown on ITV a few days ago that the child did not want to get married but that the parents wanted her to be.

 

I didn't mention paedophilia although it would be extremely naïve to think that it doesn't happen when a 14 year old is living with a 20 year old and they are "married".  

 

I don't agree with simply stating that these children can choose to leave so it's all ok, it's not an easy thing for a child to leave an abusive situation. It's not even easy for adults to leave an abusive situation. It's especially hard when that persons family and religious community would disown them if they left.

 

I don't think the headline is "outrageous" as they have evidence to back it up, nor is it "designed to stir up anti Muslim feelings".

 

If someone could provide evidence that these children that get married off as teenagers are still just as likely to go on to have successful careers, achieve well academically and are no more likely to suffer from domestic abuse, then it might help to make it seem less of an issue.

[Guest MattP]

I'm just interpreting the article, no mention of underage sex or even it being against the wishes of the child, just that someone posing as a parent asked for an Imam to marry their child. Now you can imply all the paedophilia you want, but there is no mention of it in the article. You can imply that children are forced into it against their will but there is no mention of that in the article. If these things are happening then obviously the police should get involved, and efforts should be made, as I believe they have been previously, to make the victims here aware that they are not legally married and are free to leave these marriages, but when that happened in the past very few people came forward to seek protection.

This is a far cry from Muslim paedophile gangs that are grooming kids for abuse, but the link is enough for people to get all worked about all Muslims being paedos, some times you have to live and let live Matt, there is no evidence in that article that any harm comes to the children 'married' in there situations, I'm sure it does I'm not naive, but if they talked about that rather than some 'sting' operation on Imams I'd have more interest in the article, but it's an outrageous headline based on very little fact designed to stir up anti Muslim feelings.

 

Sorry I'm not to prepared to let 30 year old men marry 14 year olds and 'live and let live' - if you want that on your conscience then go ahead but I won't.

 

We'll leave it now as it's pointless if you really believe as just because their is no mention of sex on the article that this behaviour is completely normal and you trust them to live within the law I'm not going to change your opinion. I have reservations about any fully grown man who wants to settle down with a girl that age and I'm not prepared to turn my back just because the victim (who is most probably terrifed) isn't coming forward.

 

I really don't know what the motives are to let this and other behaviour go and to be quite frank I don't really want to.