Imams willing to marry girls of 14 in secret

[absolutelegend]

are you talking about forced marriages or under age sex in general? Most of my posts have been about under age sex in general, I'm not condoning it, I'm just not condemning it is evil sickening and the same thing as paedophilia. Forced marriage is bad.

in the circumstances of this topic and newstory it is underage marriage, which ultimately also means underage sex.  the sex part is clearly wrong but it is not the only negative implication of underage marriage by any means.

[MPH]

I don't think we should need an age of consent, but I understand why we do, I also don't think that grooming and coercion, "tricking people into having sex", should only apply to under 16s, I think it is just as abhorrent to trick a 16 year old, 30 year old, 60 year old into giving up the goods. The problem is burden of proof, how can you prove that someone was saying nice things to you and buying you presents and sweets to get into your pants. By having the age of consent law it removes the need for a burden of proof, should you have sex with a minor and they go to the police you are fvcked, because even if you had a video of her consenting it is not valid, I'm not sure how her lying about her age works as a defence, but I think you're still fvcked. So the consent law won't stop people having under aged sex, but it will hopefully, make people think before entering into a sexual relationship with someone who is below the legal age of consent, and not just plough in.

I'm pretty sure that Ric Flair isn't the only one on here who technically committed a paedophilic act when younger, even I managed to get some under the duvet fun before I was 16, and I was a geek at an all boys school who doesn't shower very often.

So to go back to my original "contradiction", I don't have any problem with a 14 year old having consensual and uncoerced sex with an older person, but I'm happy that there is an age of consent law that means the older person has to be very careful in how they behave. The risk of course is that even if you are the perfect gentleman and a tender lover, one slip, one argument, or one perceived slight and you could find yourself in some serious shit with no defence, that alone should be enough to dissuade all but the most hormone charged teenager.

It is sad that we need a law to regulate what is a natural desire, and in an ideal world people would be free to have sex when they felt ready to, but unfortunately there are many dangerous and aggressive predators out there and there does need to be some protection for the vulnerable.

you are legitimizing peodophilia.

did it escape you that ric was actually younger than the girl he slept with?

But the point you seem to be missing is a much older man taking advantage of a much younger teen.

there is a reason why most people who were sexually abused and exploited do not come forward with what happened to them until they are in their 30s.. it takes that long to process what happened to them. But where do we draw the line?

Lets just release all the catholic priests.. Every teacher who ran off with a schoolgirl after all... they all consented at the time, right?

[Captain...]

I doubt anyone here thinks a 16 year old ****ing a 15 year old is evil or sickening, I really don't know what it has to do with the topic though. I do think a 30 year old shouldn't be allowed to have a relationship with a 15 year old though, if he really loves her that much it's not going to hurt to wait until she's legal.

 

You would have to seriously question a 30 year old dating a 15 year old, but why would waiting make any difference, nothing magic happens the day you turn 16, you don't immediately become sexually mature.

[MPH]

Heres a clip to explain what im on about....

Sophie has always cursed the teacher who seduced then abused her when she was a schoolgirl. But she did not realise he had done anything potentially illegal until she read about the case of 15-year-old Megan Stammers, who was found and taken into protective care on Friday after fleeing to France with her married maths teacher, who was arrested. Now Sophie is contemplating calling the police. In Sophie's case, the teacher is still teaching teenage girls at a prestigious private school a few miles from her house. She, on the other hand, struggles every day to cope with the effects his violence and oppression had on her teenage self."He ruined me, sexually, emotionally and in every other way possible," she says. "I was naive and innocent, and he was perverse. The sex was aggressive and sickening, but I was infatuated: he was this older man. "He told me he was in love with me, but then he crushed me until I was a complete emotional wreck.

[Captain...]

you are legitimizing peodophilia.

did it escape you that ric was actually younger than the girl he slept with?

But the point you seem to be missing is a much older man taking advantage of a much younger teen.

there is a reason why most people who were sexually abused and exploited do not come forward with what happened to them until they are in their 30s.. it takes that long to process what happened to them. But where do we draw the line?

Lets just release all the catholic priests.. Every teacher who ran off with a schoolgirl after all... they all consented at the time, right?

 

I'm not legitimising anything, underage sex is not the same as paedophilia, 

 

 

 

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnostic criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).^[1][2][3][4] An adolescent who is 16 years of age or older must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia.

 

 

Catholic priests that raped young boys, pretty sure they were coerced into it with fear, or were forced into it.

 

The teacher that ran away with the young girl, shouldn't have run away with her, and technically broke the law by sleeping with her (if they did I can't remember) and also abused his position as a teacher and cheated on his wife, but he is not a paedophile, he fell in love with a young girl, who fell in love with him (unless I've missed a part of that case), I don't condemn him for that.

 

This is what annoys me, the fact that those 2 things are lumped together.

 

As for Ric what he did was statutory rape, doesn't matter that he was younger than her. Not condemning him either, or any of the other thousands of under 16 year olds that have sex.

[Captain...]

Heres a clip to explain what im on about....

Sophie has always cursed the teacher who seduced then abused her when she was a schoolgirl. But she did not realise he had done anything potentially illegal until she read about the case of 15-year-old Megan Stammers, who was found and taken into protective care on Friday after fleeing to France with her married maths teacher, who was arrested. Now Sophie is contemplating calling the police. In Sophie's case, the teacher is still teaching teenage girls at a prestigious private school a few miles from her house. She, on the other hand, struggles every day to cope with the effects his violence and oppression had on her teenage self."He ruined me, sexually, emotionally and in every other way possible," she says. "I was naive and innocent, and he was perverse. The sex was aggressive and sickening, but I was infatuated: he was this older man. "He told me he was in love with me, but then he crushed me until I was a complete emotional wreck.

 

I'm not disagreeing with that, and not saying that anyone should be able to fvck anyone regardless of age, I could use the example of a friend of mine how started sleeping with a girl she had just turned 15 and he was 24, 7 years they are living together and have 2 kids, but that doesn't mean all cases are like this, in the same way all cases aren't like the one you have used. 

 

The only thing I am doing is not condemning all underage sex as disgusting and sick and the same as paedophilia.

[Webbo]

 

 

Catholic priests that raped young boys, pretty sure they were coerced into it with fear, or were forced into it.

 

I'm so fed up with this argument, 2 wrongs don't make a right and nobody has condoned what went on with Catholic priests in the first place.

[The God Emperor]

captain pancake face wants us to live in a world where we redistribute wealth and educators have regular and compulsory sex with their student no matter their age!

you disgust me comrade peado face 

[Mike Oxlong]

Dear Captain Pancake Face,

Just wanted you to know that I no longer require you to babysit my daughters this Saturday.

I'm sure you'll appreciate my need to cancel.

Mike

[Rincewind]

When my sister was 16 she started going out with someone twice her age. it lasted a few years. The more my mum and stepdad objected the more she was drawn to him. She matured and a few years later left him. A year younger the relationship would have been illegal. I dont think she was damaged by it.

[ADK]

You would have to seriously question a 30 year old dating a 15 year old, but why would waiting make any difference, nothing magic happens the day you turn 16, you don't immediately become sexually mature.

 

You can make that argument for anything involving age, I think the police do take a different stance if someone is close to the age of consent though, I don't think they would try to prosecute someone for having sex with a 15 years and 364 days old person.

[Strokes]

You have to draw the line somewhere, if both parties are of similar age then it is different. A fully grown adult preying on a sixteen year old is wrong in my eyes. I would do time for my daughter if I deemed her to be taken advantage of.

[Rincewind]

At the time my sister was seeing an older man she was working in a shop. He used to go in and was friebly towards her and probably made her feel good. She thought him a fool a few years later but I dont think she regretted her time with him. She was matue enough to know her own mind even if it was a mind of a teenager.

[Strokes]

At the time my sister was seeing an older man she was working in a shop. He used to go in and was friebly towards her and probably made her feel good. She thought him a fool a few years later but I dont think she regretted her time with him. She was matue enough to know her own mind even if it was a mind of a teenager.

That may well be the case ken, the simple fact is she was young and impressionable and he used his maturity to manipulate and take advantage. He may not of broken the law but I wouldn't want him near anyone's children.

[Rincewind]

No. She had control over him. He'd do anything for her. Ge had a car and treated her like a princess and it was that that she grew tired of.

[Captain...]

You can make that argument for anything involving age, I think the police do take a different stance if someone is close to the age of consent though, I don't think they would try to prosecute someone for having sex with a 15 years and 364 days old person.

 

Which is what I tried to avoid doing by sticking to a 14 year old and a 30 year old in most of my examples, even though it is an idea that most people find disgusting, the point is though that age is not an accurate indicator, and if all 16 year olds are mature enough to have sex, then it stands to reason that some younger people are mature enough to.

 

You have to draw the line somewhere, if both parties are of similar age then it is different. A fully grown adult preying on a sixteen year old is wrong in my eyes. I would do time for my daughter if I deemed her to be taken advantage of.

 

Anyone preying on anyone is wrong, and I agree with you that just because someone turns 16 doesn't mean they are immune to being preyed upon, which is why I don't see age as being a good indicator. 

[Strokes]

Which is what I tried to avoid doing by sticking to a 14 year old and a 30 year old in most of my examples, even though it is an idea that most people find disgusting, the point is though that age is not an accurate indicator, and if all 16 year olds are mature enough to have sex, then it stands to reason that some younger people are mature enough to.

Anyone preying on anyone is wrong, and I agree with you that just because someone turns 16 doesn't mean they are immune to being preyed upon, which is why I don't see age as being a good indicator.

What else could you base a law on other than age?

You can't, so the question is, is the level set correct? I would agree that is but if anything it should be higher.

[Captain...]

What else could you base a law on other than age?

You can't, so the question is, is the level set correct? I would agree that is but if anything it should be higher.

 

I don't know, the problem is do you raise it to 18 and restrict many teenagers who are capable of such a decision, and who will do it anyway, but in less controlled environments as they can't talk about it to people? Or do you lower it and risk exposing more teenagers to abuse. In my mind there needs to be a grey area, anything under 13 is automatically nonce, no defence, between 13-18 you can be prosecuted for under age sex but only if a complaint is made by the victim, or you can still be prosecuted for statutory rape if someone else thinks that you have manipulated or abused 13-18 year old, but in these cases the victims testimony can be used as a defence, should the victim wish.

[Mike Oxlong]

"Victim's" testimony used as a defence. Hmmm.

Although called by the prosecution that's what happened in the trial of that nonce teacher who ponced off to France with one of his pupils.

Getting the groomed kid to stand up in court to plead for the abuser. Yuk. For me that would be an aggravating feature which would add considerably to the sentence.