A normal day at the football

[PAULCFC]

The target demographic, policing, cctv, attitudes in general, reserved/all seater stadiums, over kill of music on the pa.

We have more families attending, not just young adult and middle aged men, it is less tribal than it used to be as well, at Filbert St, we used to hate everyone.

But policing and the fact you can be caught on camera at any moment, I also think the police are less tolerant to any, noise, disorder etc, it's just not worth getting caught doing anything old bill may deem offensive.

And finally in the ground, you used to have to get in the kop with plenty of time to get any sort of view, meaning plenty of fans in before the game, going through every song, for players etc, reserved seats mean you can arrive 2 mins after ko and still get your seat. Plus this goal music etc, means just going mental has been drowned out.

These are just a few issues, but the fact is, unless we get safe standing in a large part of the ground, the good old days will remain just that.

Great post.....also just turning up to the turnstile,paying your money and getting in(did that for the Tony James game v Oxford).I think i paid £4.50 in pen2!

[Karljohn]

Bring the prices down and get the average working man back in.

Less prawn sarnie brigade.

The influx of money from sky to me is the bigger problem than all seater stadium.

People will stand and sing if they want too our problem is we don't have enough who want too.

Yes to the above, plus people are far too serious these days, football used to be the place to let off steam, now football is just an extension of a soulless, serious workplace.

[Bayfox]

I'd like to add to my list. Sky or whoever it maybe ramming football down our throats 24/7. It makes us crave success that isnt possible and unless you are city through and through then never mind if what you see is crap as you get another 11 games to watch in the week.

premiership, la liga, champions league.

messi, ronaldo etc.

harldy wets the appetite for deleat v reid.

[ozleicester]

Just a thought, but maybe PEOPLE have changed?  and therefore so have times and experiences...Maybe...

 

Dad doesnt get home from the pit, eat dinner and bugger off down t pub until closing

Saturday football isnt the only entertainment available to the working man

People have experienced more and travelled more. A windy, cold day spent watching 11 overpaid blokes who dont give a fook about their fans perhaps isnt as appealing as it was in 1975

 

Times change, enjoy the atmosphere you have today...and remember in 20 years, your experience will be the one being talked about with great (if somewhat clouded) memory.... 

 

"Ahh wasnt it great that day we all threw sandwich bags at the pitch".. "oh remember the day we all took flares to palace"... "remember when we all used to go on foxestalk and discuss the game logically".

 

ah those were the days.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KODZtjOIPg

[cecchini]

The police will clear the pub a nick you... they won't be happy till the football and town centres at the weekend are like a the vicars tea party... that's why the pub trade is dying.

The smoking ban is killing pubs. You might notice a few people having a fag outside a pub, but where have all the rest gone? They are at home drinking cheap Aldi beer so they can subscribe to sky and smoke their favourite cancer sticks.

Having been a smoker I can see the attraction. On this side of the channel, pubs have patios with brollies and heaters plus big screens that allow people to smoke.

Times they are a changing!

[Dan]

I'd like to add to my list. Sky or whoever it maybe ramming football down our throats 24/7. It makes us crave success that isnt possible and unless you are city through and through then never mind if what you see is crap as you get another 11 games to watch in the week.

premiership, la liga, champions league.

messi, ronaldo etc.

harldy wets the appetite for deleat v reid.

 

I agree that they've raised hopes for fans but not really sure you can blame them for showing the best games.

 

"Ahh wasnt it great that day we all threw sandwich bags at the pitch".. "oh remember the day we all took flares to palace"... "remember when we all used to go on foxestalk and discuss the game logically".

 

[Bayfox]

I agree that they've raised hopes for fans but not really sure you can blame them for showing the best games.

I'm not blaming them for showing the best games, but when you have 4 games to choose from most nights or 4 games back to back on a sunday, or the also rans in the champions league, wall to wall football must be a factor.

As I suggested above and has been mentioned by ozleicester, it just isn't a working mans game and the only form of entertainment nowdays.

People can choose to do other things and maybe aren't so attached to the club, let's be honest 40 years ago, what else did a bloke have to do at 3pm on a saturday, that was affordable.

Plus it was the only way to see football on a regular basis at one point, now I can watch about 13 games a week if I wanted too.

[Dan]

I'm not blaming them for showing the best games, but when you have 4 games to choose from most nights or 4 games back to back on a sunday, or the also rans in the champions league, wall to wall football must be a factor.

As I suggested above and has been mentioned by ozleicester, it just isn't a working mans game and the only form of entertainment nowdays.

People can choose to do other things and maybe aren't so attached to the club, let's be honest 40 years ago, what else did a bloke have to do at 3pm on a saturday, that was affordable.

Plus it was the only way to see football on a regular basis at one point, now I can watch about 13 games a week if I wanted too.

 

I do agree with all of that, to be fair.

 

It'll only get worse too. It's why I can't understand Leicester's pricing.

[ealingfox]

I'm not blaming them for showing the best games, but when you have 4 games to choose from most nights or 4 games back to back on a sunday, or the also rans in the champions league, wall to wall football must be a factor.

As I suggested above and has been mentioned by ozleicester, it just isn't a working mans game and the only form of entertainment nowdays.

People can choose to do other things and maybe aren't so attached to the club, let's be honest 40 years ago, what else did a bloke have to do at 3pm on a saturday, that was affordable.

Plus it was the only way to see football on a regular basis at one point, now I can watch about 13 games a week if I wanted too.

 

I would have pointed out that even 40 years ago most blokes had a missus, then I saw it had to be something affordable 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

I know about the laws on the use of force, the force wasn't necessary or proportionate in this case and many others I have seen.

Yes I understand why they are forming the line, but as a public servant I would expect them/ him to serve the public not escalate something out of nothing, he chose to use force first and if it hadn't been older gentlemen, and say a younger less tolerant individual, he would have caused an incident and arrest that didn't need to happen.

The sad fact is from my experience of football matches in the last decade, the police are more up for a fight at football matches than most fans.

Some need to remember their oath and treat the public with decency and not abuse their powers.

That is your view, and you are entitled to it.

 

I have attended matches both as a fan, and in the line of duty, so have seen both sides of the coin, and not just one. As a fan I have never witnessed Police abuse to fans in my many years at matches (tough measures, yes). In the line of duty I have also never witnessed Police abuse, but toughness when it it necessary.

 

As I said, you have an entitlement to your view, as do I with mine, so I suggest we agree to disagree.

[1964FOX]

That is your view, and you are entitled to it.

 

I have attended matches both as a fan, and in the line of duty, so have seen both sides of the coin, and not just one. As a fan I have never witnessed Police abuse to fans in my many years at matches (tough measures, yes). In the line of duty I have also never witnessed Police abuse, but toughness when it it necessary.

 

As I said, you have an entitlement to your view, as do I with mine, so I suggest we agree to disagree

I have also witnessed it from both sides (and still do) and I have seen over excessive/ inappropriate use of force and powers by police officers. Its rare nowadays but it does happen and I have spoken to officers about it at games.

Yes I agree tough measures sometimes need to be taken as a tactic for the greater good but to say it's never happens, I have to disagree.

[sylofox]

Yes to the above, plus people are far too serious these days, football used to be the place to let off steam, now football is just an extension of a soulless, serious workplace.

If they bought the prices down it would soon increase revenue.

We could fill that ground every week with realistic prices.

 

Not just fill it for man city n the trees and most that attend those sort of games are just happy clappers.

 

Then you would have real fans and an atmosphere.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

I have also witnessed it from both sides (and still do) and I have seen over excessive/ inappropriate use of force and powers by police officers. Its rare nowadays but it does happen and I have spoken to officers about it at games.

Yes I agree tough measures sometimes need to be taken as a tactic for the greater good but to say it's never happens, I have to disagree.

I did not say it never happens, but I did say that I have never witnessed it, which if my memory serves me right, is the truth.

 

As someone who like myself has seen both sides, I am sure you will agree that many of their actions are seen as over zealous by members of the public, when they actually are not. Putting someone down on the ground is a good example of this misinterpretation, when it is in actual fact a safety procedure.

 

As in all walks of life, there are rotten apples within the police force, and they need to be weeded out, but the average officer has to put up with more than he should at times, and copes exceedingly well.

[sylofox]

I did not say it never happens, but I did say that I have never witnessed it, which if my memory serves me right, is the truth.

 

As someone who like myself has seen both sides, I am sure you will agree that many of their actions are seen as over zealous by members of the public, when they actually are not. Putting someone down on the ground is a good example of this misinterpretation, when it is in actual fact a safety procedure.

 

As in all walks of life, there are rotten apples within the police force, and they need to be weeded out, but the average officer has to put up with more than he should at times, and copes exceedingly well.

With you DT going back some I got on the wrong side of the thin blue line.

Not looking for it or wanting it but it fvcking hurt.

 

Would not want it to go back to that at all but praps some on here should have experienced it.

Yes the banter and the hatered was great and made the atmosphere.

But the physical side was stupid people died and were cabbaged through getting a kickin at football.

 

So a copper is over the top so what.

Cross the line n see what the other side think to you.