A normal day at the football

[Churchill]

I have read many topics on here about atmosphere in the ground and people saying all seater stadiums have killed the atmosphere etc, which i do agree with but what about outside of the ground in pubs and walking to the stadiums? Unfortunately i was not around to experience the atmosphere in the 70's and 80's but from what i have heard fans used to sing in pubs and create a great atmosphere and chanting on the way to the ground but you never see that anymore unless your on an away day. What has changed? Why do you think its changed?

[johnny the fox]

The police will clear the pub a nick you... they won't be happy till the football and town centres at the weekend are like a the vicars tea party... that's why the pub trade is dying.

[Bayfox]

The target demographic, policing, cctv, attitudes in general, reserved/all seater stadiums, over kill of music on the pa.

We have more families attending, not just young adult and middle aged men, it is less tribal than it used to be as well, at Filbert St, we used to hate everyone.

But policing and the fact you can be caught on camera at any moment, I also think the police are less tolerant to any, noise, disorder etc, it's just not worth getting caught doing anything old bill may deem offensive.

And finally in the ground, you used to have to get in the kop with plenty of time to get any sort of view, meaning plenty of fans in before the game, going through every song, for players etc, reserved seats mean you can arrive 2 mins after ko and still get your seat. Plus this goal music etc, means just going mental has been drowned out.

These are just a few issues, but the fact is, unless we get safe standing in a large part of the ground, the good old days will remain just that.

[svensson]

The police will clear the pub a nick you... they won't be happy till the football and town centres at the weekend are like a the vicars tea party... that's why the pub trade is dying.

because football fans on a saturday are the sole reason pubs stayed afloat....

[Churchill]

But surely the police can't arrest you for having a sing song in the local boozer? Or singing whilst walking to the ground... It's not like your having running battles and bricking windows, just a sing song with your fellow Leicester fans i understand the whole situation with the atmosphere in the ground with all seaters and reserved seating etc.

[1964FOX]

I don't agree, we often sing in the pubs before the game. We did in the Market Tavern and then the Slug and Lettuce on Saturday without any issues.

he police can't and won't arrest you for singing as long as that's all it is. You can also sing in the street that's not an offence either.

[sylofox]

Bring the prices down and get the average working man back in.

 

Less prawn sarnie brigade.

 

The influx of money from sky to me is the bigger problem than all seater stadium.

 

People will stand and sing if they want too our problem is we don't have enough who want too.

[blue army 1988]

Plus this goal music etc, means just going mental has been drowned out.

I dont get people who say that. Yeah it does drown the fans out when we score a goal but the music lasts for a minute maybe!

What about the rest of the match?

[sylofox]

I don't agree, we often sing in the pubs before the game. We did in the Market Tavern and then the Slug and Lettuce on Saturday without any issues.

he police can't and won't arrest you for singing as long as that's all it is. You can also sing in the street that's not an offence either.

 

Yes it is it's called disturbing the peace.

 

But realisticly they are not gonna arrest 2 3 or 400 for singing.

[1964FOX]

Yes it is it's called disturbing the peace.

 

But realisticly they are not gonna arrest 2 3 or 400 for singing.

yes if you move towards public order offences but a group of lads singing songs is not a public order offence unless a member of the public is upset or offended and reports such to a police officer. I accept if they include offensive wording as a lot do that could fall under an offence but those without do not constitute any offence directly.

[Dan]

Changes in society in general, the authorities' desire to kill any spontaneous atmosphere and obscene prices.

[Monsell1976]

Policing is a factor, after the game they were pushing a lot of people who stopped and sang.

One incident I saw was two old blokes trying to walk past the away end to go home I guess, when the police decided to form a line, the bloke tried to continue around but one heavy handed copper pushed him and got aggressive, and basically spoke to him like shit, and when he challenged the coppers actions he was pushed again.

There is to much of this heavy handed policing inside and outside of the ground, and some of them are thugs in uniform, and one of the reasons prematch banter doesn't exist, any groups will be moved on under section 5 of the public order.

This sort of heavy handed policing was probably warranted in the years gone bye, but in this family friendly football that exists now it has no place, but the police are a law to themselves.

And regards the atmosphere inside the ground bayfox post is bang on, and the reason it's not as good.

We have become a nice family club, and pricing a lot of young working class lads out of attending, and have been replaced by better off working class families and middle class toffs, who would rather watch the match in comfort and quiet than make any sort of atmosphere.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Everywhere (but particularly in England) - too many average players are on fees that don't befit their standard because everybody is out to "one up" one another, so it's a continuous cycle of increased spending that is so far removed from the rate of inflation it's laughable.

 

Ergo, the football league will never be for the "working man" ever again because the ticket prices need to increase so further money can be pissed away on dishing out huge contracts to average players. When second tier footballers are on 30k+ a week, you know the game's lost it.

[Fox92]

Being priced out of the game is a major factor. 

 

I do think people are happy grabbing 10 cans of lager for cheap at a supermarket (cheaper than the pub!), then going home to watch football on the television... People can enjoy Tottenham v Arsenal, Manchester United v Liverpool, Villa v Birmingham etc all on the TV while not moving, staying warm and saving money.

 

There is a lot wrong with football, I agree it's no longer a working class game anymore. 

[Dan]

Everywhere (but particularly in England) - too many average players are on fees that don't befit their standard because everybody is out to "one up" one another, so it's a continuous cycle of increased spending that is so far removed from the rate of inflation it's laughable.

 

Ergo, the football league will never be for the "working man" ever again because the ticket prices need to increase so further money can be pissed away on dishing out huge contracts to average players. When second tier footballers are on 30k+ a week, you know the game's lost it.

 

Can't disagree with a word of that.

[hairy]

The country itself, the people, the politics, the food, the drink, entertainment etc etc etc have all changed so much since the 70s and 80s it is very difficult to compare the two.

 

The football supporter has changed with the times too and with him the atmosphere.

[beemeroo]

Sitting down and singing makes me feel like a wally.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

The police will clear the pub a nick you... they won't be happy till the football and town centres at the weekend are like a the vicars tea party... that's why the pub trade is dying.

You sir, are talking rubbish.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Policing is a factor, after the game they were pushing a lot of people who stopped and sang.

One incident I saw was two old blokes trying to walk past the away end to go home I guess, when the police decided to form a line, the bloke tried to continue around but one heavy handed copper pushed him and got aggressive, and basically spoke to him like shit, and when he challenged the coppers actions he was pushed again.

There is to much of this heavy handed policing inside and outside of the ground, and some of them are thugs in uniform, and one of the reasons prematch banter doesn't exist, any groups will be moved on under section 5 of the public order.

This sort of heavy handed policing was probably warranted in the years gone bye, but in this family friendly football that exists now it has no place, but the police are a law to themselves.

And regards the atmosphere inside the ground bayfox post is bang on, and the reason it's not as good.

We have become a nice family club, and pricing a lot of young working class lads out of attending, and have been replaced by better off working class families and middle class toffs, who would rather watch the match in comfort and quiet than make any sort of atmosphere.

I have covered many games in my time with the police, and the priority is safety first, often necessitating  the forming of a line in a crowded environment. 

[Churchill]

Yes it is it's called disturbing the peace.

 

But realisticly they are not gonna arrest 2 3 or 400 for singing.

Yes maybe singing in the town centre whilst people are shopping but walking down filbert street singing a few leicester chants can't be an offence surely?

[Bob Weasel Fox]

yes if you move towards public order offences but a group of lads singing songs is not a public order offence unless a member of the public is upset or offended and reports such to a police officer. I accept if they include offensive wording as a lot do that could fall under an offence but those without do not constitute any offence directly.

Well said Gary

[Monsell1976]

I have covered many games in my time with the police, and the priority is safety first, often necessitating the forming of a line in a crowded environment.

I know about the laws on the use of force, the force wasn't necessary or proportionate in this case and many others I have seen.

Yes I understand why they are forming the line, but as a public servant I would expect them/ him to serve the public not escalate something out of nothing, he chose to use force first and if it hadn't been older gentlemen, and say a younger less tolerant individual, he would have caused an incident and arrest that didn't need to happen.

The sad fact is from my experience of football matches in the last decade, the police are more up for a fight at football matches than most fans.

Some need to remember their oath and treat the public with decency and not abuse their powers.

[Fox92]

The police will clear the pub a nick you... they won't be happy till the football and town centres at the weekend are like a the vicars tea party... that's why the pub trade is dying.

 

 

To be honest, I think cheap alcohol is killing pubs... Put it this way, I got 30 cans of Carling from Sainsbury's for £19.00 yet the price of a pint of Carling in my local is around £2.40.

 

Of course I enjoy going to the pub, but people can get away with drinking at home for cheaper, in the comfort of their living room, probably watching a football match and saving on the cost of a match ticket as well. 

[LCFC FOX]

If you want pre match pub singing the counting house is he place to be, always singing in there and Forest was amazing. Banter between two sets of fans

[Lukey Boi]

Prices put a lot of people off from going down to watch Leicester. Less people now have the money to spend on beers and everything else involved with watching footie because of the ridiculous ticket prices. We're more expensive then some of the prem clubs. Why that is, I'll never know.