Pearson Boring to Exciting

[Babylon]

try reading all my posts again.

I have, it's hard going as it makes little sense.

 

 

I'm not trying to prove anything. I rate pearson and the job he does. But he seems to only shop in morrisons. Using the same old system.

Well you must be trying to make some kind of point, the problem I have with it is that you are incorrect. And that you seem to try and come up with any excuse to (a) remove any credit for a good signing (see your comment below about Knockaert). (b) to say even though they were lower league, other people were scouting them (see comments about Vardy). amongst other things.

 

Yes he has shopped in lower and other leagues.

 

Adams (Bury)

Dyer (MK Dons)

Michael Morrison (Cambridge)

Tunchev (CSKA Sofia)

Weale (Bristol)

N'Guessan (Lincoln)

Kermagant (Stade Reims)

Knockaert (Guingamp)

Vardy (Fleetwood)

Powel

Solano

 

 

So just so we can clarify, if Pearson spots quality in a player at youth level and buys them. It's not as good as waiting for the player to get released or sold elsewhere, and then buying them. Because that's how it's coming across.

 

 

my only point was that pearson would need to spend the best part of 40million and maybe more to get where oneill got us on a spend of just 7 or 8million in one summer.

 

You say you realise fees have increased, but then don't seem to take on board that 800k for Muzzy, 1.2m for claridge, 750k for Lennon, 1.6m for elliott (let alone some of the larger ones) would in todays market vastly exceed what Pearson has paid for any player at the moment.

 

It probably would cost an investment of that size yes, but as I and other have tried to explain.. and you say you understand, fees are much higher now. So an investment of only 40m to achieve that would probably be classed as better than what O'Neill spent.  To put it in perspective... we paid 1.2m for claridge before promotion, that same season Chelsea broke their transfer record and spent 4.9m, Poborsky joined Man U after a great Euro 96 for 3.5m and Viera joined Arsenal for 3.5m from Milan.

 

if anything you think kasper(granted not a pearson signing) wes, dd, james, wood etc can hold a candle to keller, flowers, elliot, sinclair, muzzy, lennon, cottee etc.

What?

 

please tell why instead of just picking select parts off a string of posts whos newer to foxes talk and whos opinion doesnt fit with yours.

What?

 

Maybe pearson has his hands tied due to ffp. But mon had them tied due to common sense. Apart from knocky who was prob scouted by walsh and had been watched by others.

 

What?

 

 

when has pearson really pulled of a transfer master stroke.

Well, considering he took us over at the lowest point in our history, bought virtually a whole new team for nothing, got us promoted, bought a couple of players and got us into the playoffs. Left, came back... then had to dismantle an expensive bunch of flops, buy another new squad and currently has us sat top of the table. I would say he must have actually bought some rather decent players along the way... we'll only know how good if we get promoted.

 

To suggest he shops in Morrisons, by which I presume you think O'Neill was shopping in Lidl is ridiculous considering.

 

 

I'm not looking to slag him off I just think has miles to go before he gets anywhere close to mon.

I fully agree, what I don't agree with is some of your reasoning for reaching that conclusion.

[Aus Fox]

I have, it's hard going as it makes little sense.

Well you must be trying to make some kind of point, the problem I have with it is that you are incorrect. And that you seem to try and come up with any excuse to (a) remove any credit for a good signing (see your comment below about Knockaert). (b) to say even though they were lower league, other people were scouting them (see comments about Vardy). amongst other things.

Yes he has shopped in lower and other leagues.

Adams (Bury)

Dyer (MK Dons)

Michael Morrison (Cambridge)

Tunchev (CSKA Sofia)

Weale (Bristol)

N'Guessan (Lincoln)

Kermagant (Stade Reims)

Knockaert (Guingamp)

Vardy (Fleetwood)

Powel

Solano

So just so we can clarify, if Pearson spots quality in a player at youth level and buys them. It's not as good as waiting for the player to get released or sold elsewhere, and then buying them. Because that's how it's coming across.

You say you realise fees have increased, but then don't seem to take on board that 800k for Muzzy, 1.2m for claridge, 750k for Lennon, 1.6m for elliott (let alone some of the larger ones) would in todays market vastly exceed what Pearson has paid for any player at the moment.

It probably would cost an investment of that size yes, but as I and other have tried to explain.. and you say you understand, fees are much higher now. So an investment of only 40m to achieve that would probably be classed as better than what O'Neill spent. To put it in perspective... we paid 1.2m for claridge before promotion, that same season Chelsea broke their transfer record and spent 4.9m, Poborsky joined Man U after a great Euro 96 for 3.5m and Viera joined Arsenal for 3.5m from Milan.

What?

What?

What?

Well, considering he took us over at the lowest point in our history, bought virtually a whole new team for nothing, got us promoted, bought a couple of players and got us into the playoffs. Left, came back... then had to dismantle an expensive bunch of flops, buy another new squad and currently has us sat top of the table. I would say he must have actually bought some rather decent players along the way... we'll only know how good if we get promoted.

To suggest he shops in Morrisons, by which I presume you think O'Neill was shopping in Lidl is ridiculous considering.

I fully agree, what I don't agree with is some of your reasoning for reaching that conclusion.

Well played sir

[MC Prussian]

Couple of people have said this, but for me the times haven't changed that much at all. It's still the same game with the same rules. The quality of the prem and the championship is still about the same and the gap between them still the same. We're still the same club with about the same level of resources relative to other clubs. It still takes the same shrewd signings and the same high quality man management to achieve anything with a club like Leicester.

More similarities than differences imho. Comparisons with MON perfectly valid.

I don't think the gap's still the same as it was maybe ten, fifteen years ago. Without proper investment, I'd claim about 95 to 99 percent of all promoted teams would find themselves relegated again after one season in the Premier League.

We weren't rich in the years prior to when O'Neill took over and we certainly weren't when he was at the helm. He made shrewd signings and formed a team that was hard to beat. On a skills basis, we were miles behind the other teams in the top tier at the time.

But what we lacked in that department, we compensated with passion and an almost unbreakable fighting spirit.

 

Times have certainly changed, be it transfer fees, maintenance costs, hidden costs, legal fees, agents' fees, TV rights, ads, merchandise, etc.

It's turned into one global show, whereas at the start of the Premier League, it was mainly a European thing.

Judging by your comments, you either deliberately ignore the money influence or still live in a fantasy land, where good old kick-and-rush rules and where England and its affiliated clubs from the Football League are a global and/or European football force.

 

Comparisons with the O'Neill far-fetched to very far-fetched.

[5waller5]

Coming back to "NP boring to exciting" .....

 

Kinda sums it up for me .... I was bored to tears with his hoofball of his early days in his second spell. I'm not even sure that he wanted to play like that - just the players seemed to panic and revert to that way.

 

He seems to have eradicated this, by getting rid of some of the key exponents of it (Matt Mills), and providing support and security to the squad when they play the right way but don't get the result it deserves, that takes time and encouragement and reinforcing the positive message.

 

He also seems to have changed / grown / matured as a statesman / representative of the club to the outside world. Like it or not, this manifests itself in interviews, where he now seems confident, assured, more secure in himself, more balanced and thoughtful with his responses, and most of all less negative and defensive. That then reinforces itself in the changing room where players will have viewed / listened to those interviews. It all reinforces itself.

 

In short, his negative and defensive bias seems to have been replaced with balance and poise in every aspect of his management.

[cityfanlee23]

His interviews aren't even remotely boring anyway, to me.

I fine him fascinating to listen to him mate,

I think he handles it fantastically. When we has wolly here, he was more important than the club to the media..

[Arriba Los Zorros]

I love Pearson, he's clearly a top-class manager and we'll be lucky to keep hold of him

[MooseBreath]

I don't think the gap's still the same as it was maybe ten, fifteen years ago. Without proper investment, I'd claim about 95 to 99 percent of all promoted teams would find themselves relegated again after one season in the Premier League.

We weren't rich in the years prior to when O'Neill took over and we certainly weren't when he was at the helm. He made shrewd signings and formed a team that was hard to beat. On a skills basis, we were miles behind the other teams in the top tier at the time.

But what we lacked in that department, we compensated with passion and an almost unbreakable fighting spirit.

Times have certainly changed, be it transfer fees, maintenance costs, hidden costs, legal fees, agents' fees, TV rights, ads, merchandise, etc.

It's turned into one global show, whereas at the start of the Premier League, it was mainly a European thing.

Judging by your comments, you either deliberately ignore the money influence or still live in a fantasy land, where good old kick-and-rush rules and where England and its affiliated clubs from the Football League are a global and/or European football force.

Comparisons with the O'Neill far-fetched to very far-fetched.

Well I think the money influence evens itself out. Financially we're still one of the biggest clubs in the championship but miles behind the top prem clubs. So we're still at the same level relative to other clubs.

Not really sure how the globalisation of the sport is supposed to impact us on the pitch, it is still the same game with the same rules.

As for "kick and rush", we didn't really play that under MON, we played some good stuff, we had some very skilful players. That same team playing that style would still do well in the prem today imo.

[Lionator]

6 more wins to overtake last years total, 10 more wins will overtake Hull's total from last year. 

 

PRAY!

 

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