Owners are at the Boro game on Saturday. 12th minute applause?

[Voll Blau]

Counting myself firmly out of this utterly utterly stupid clapping bollocks, but if anyone wants to join me in singing from minutes 1 to 90 they're more than welcome.

[MooseBreath]

Also I'm sure they haven't paid off the debt, just converted it to shares haven't they?

Well it was never really a debt to begin with. They invested through loans for tax purposes and never intended to call them in, and neither did they ever charge any interest.

Now they've swapped the debt for shares which they have created in the club which they already own. The bottom line is that all the money that they've spent over and above the clubs turnover plus the mandaric debt, totalling over £100m has been paid off out of the pocket of the owners.

Be under no illusion, that's a massive (completely unprecendented in the history of lcfc) financial commitment which puts the club on a very secure financial footing.

[LJS]

I find it embarrassing that people think the owners deserve congratulation for not raping the club's history or ruining us financially. Jesus ****.

[Deucalion]

Usually when I see a post from Mousebreath, I instantly wish there was a dislike button to go with the like one.

 

However today, I have repped almost everything he has said because he has calmly and reasonably answered every query people might have about the owner's motivations and actions with considered argument.  

 

But the debate continues.  It almost seems like people are determined not to like or trust the owners, regardless of any evidence with contradicts their entrenched viewpoint. 

 

What will it take for people to trust and respect the owners?

[Donut]

I find it embarrassing that people think the owners deserve congratulation for not raping the club's history or ruining us financially. Jesus ****.

 

Its not the fact that they arent raping us though, its the fact that, on several occasions, they have pro-actively improved the club.

 

The notion of the minutes applause is a bit strange, but ive seen posts suggesting the owners havent moved the club forward. Thats just a throwaway comment to suggest that.

[Dan]

Bit of a cuntish attitude.

 

Would we be in the position we are without them? No.

 

Is it painful to let them know your appreciation? No.

 

Is it painful to sit in silence for a minute while those that do care show their appreciation? No.

 

If we'd stuck with Pearson then we'd have been a Premier League side ahead of the 2011/12. I say it with confidence.

[Dan]

This thread has become an absolute embarrassment and I'm looking at those in favour of this clap. I'm sorry for this but it needs saying

 

The vast majority have completely missed the point from the start. I, by not clapping, am not 'ungrateful' of our owners.

 

I appreciate what they've done. I appreciate the fact they are learning from their previous mistakes and I am more confident with them than I was twelve months back - so credit goes to them by that.

 

I show my appreciation by so far this season, going to all bar three games in all competitions home & away (and have done this during the slump last year, the insulting 11/12 season etc..), supporting our club, our owners, manager, players and everyone there involved with Leicester for 90 minutes every game, singing in support, paying thousands every season to make sure I'm there nearly all the time - do not even dare claim I'm 'ungrateful'.

 

The idea of clapping (again!!!) is absolutely ridiculous because;

 

a) the owners are fully aware of our appreciation, they were told about the last one.

b) the team are regularly getting absolutely nothing in terms of support from the vast majority of our fanbase unless we're winning.

 

Are you people who are saying "at least they've not turned our kit red" and shit like that, being serious? Where are your standards? So because we've not matched the extreme ***** in the game, that's worth an applause? Come on.

 

My heart sinks when I read stuff like this;

 

 

Reading this thread explains to me just why atmospheres / expectations from Football fans in general is the way it is in modern football.

So many naysayers, doubters, negativity etc etc.

 

The atmospheres are shit because those who are in genuine favour of supporting a proper fan culture are looked down on by the authorities, they are treated as criminals and worthy of a ban for wanting to stand up at a game, they are charged ridiculous money. THAT is why atmospheres and expectations are in the state they are. Not because people don't want to clap for a second time to people who weren't there to see the first.

 

My personal favourite had to be this beauty from Andy Kings Crown Jewels;

 

 

It's 'painful' to show support for your football club for one ****ing minute?? Jesus wept, grow up.

 

 

Truly laughable assumption which I can't even be arsed picking apart.

 

I'm sorry for this. But I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading in here.

 

Rant over.

[Alf Bentley]

What will it take for people to trust and respect the owners?

 

"trust", "respect", "appreciate", "worship"..... 4 very different words.

 

I respect and appreciate what the owners have done since they brought Pearson back.

 

If Birch interviews Top at half-time tomorrow, I'll applaud politely to show my respect and appreciation: respect that they seem to have learned to be wise football club owners or to listen to the right advice (for now); appreciation that it is getting them and us closer to our coincidental aim: promotion and consolidation in the Premier League, while playing good football. I hope they'll show that same wise judgment if we narrowly miss promotion or go up and take time to adapt.

 

I don't mistrust them, but I don't trust them either - because I understand that they have their aims, and we have ours. For now, those aims coincide - but they might not in future. They bought LCFC as a business venture. My understanding is that their business goal is to establish LCFC in the Premier League in order to promote the King Power brand globally. If so, that aim could coincide long-term with our aims. However, if their aim is to "add value" to the LCFC brand so as to resell it at a profit in future, that might not be so good for us.....hence, neither mistrust nor trust.

 

I certainly do not intend to worship them by indulging in some embarrassing 12th-minute round of applause. This is partly age-related. I'm sure most of those wanting to applaud the owners are younger fans more influenced by mainstream US culture: announce how you personally care about tragedies; tell people "I love you" all the time (even when you don't); and applaud wealth and the spending of wealth to your advantage whether or not that wealth accrued through any merit (it may have done in Vichai's case, I don't know; it certainly didn't in Top's case; he might be a lovely bloke and/or a high achiever of the future, but for now he's just the son of a megarich businessman).

 

Surely, apart from loving the patterns, passion, anticipation, unpredictability and excitement of football, supporting a team is all about a visceral connection (in the guts) with the team from your city, or from the city you moved to or the team that your Dad supported, whatever?

 

People with a shallow interest in football and a stronger interest in politics don't understand this. They lose interest because it's all "big business". No, it's not! That's a reality, but the team (passing through), the fans (staying put) and the history (writ in stone) matter much more. My politically left-wing, Forest-supporting mate is obsessed with club balance sheets! They matter, but not as much as the fans, the manager and the team!

 

I'm not naturally vocal at matches (home ones, at least, and I rarely get to away matches) but if a chant gets going for the team - or particularly for the manager - I'll be joining in at top volume. Worshiping billionnaires in the 12th minute? Don't think so.

 

As others have said, it is shameful that we haven't shown more appreciation for NP this season. His record in 4 full seasons: L1 champions, Championship play-offs twice, now top of Championship (though nothing achieved yet). Pretty good. "There's only one Top Nigel Pearson!!"

[Dan]

"trust", "respect", "appreciate", "worship"..... 4 very different words.

 

I respect and appreciate what the owners have done since they brought Pearson back.

 

If Birch interviews Top at half-time tomorrow, I'll applaud politely to show my respect and appreciation: respect that they seem to have learned to be wise football club owners or to listen to the right advice (for now); appreciation that it is getting them and us closer to our coincidental aim: promotion and consolidation in the Premier League, while playing good football. I hope they'll show that same wise judgment if we narrowly miss promotion or go up and take time to adapt.

 

I don't mistrust them, but I don't trust them either - because I understand that they have their aims, and we have ours. For now, those aims coincide - but they might not in future. They bought LCFC as a business venture. My understanding is that their business goal is to establish LCFC in the Premier League in order to promote the King Power brand globally. If so, that aim could coincide long-term with our aims. However, if their aim is to "add value" to the LCFC brand so as to resell it at a profit in future, that might not be so good for us.....hence, neither mistrust nor trust.

 

I certainly do not intend to worship them by indulging in some embarrassing 12th-minute round of applause. This is partly age-related. I'm sure most of those wanting to applaud the owners are younger fans more influenced by mainstream US culture: announce how you personally care about tragedies; tell people "I love you" all the time (even when you don't); and applaud wealth and the spending of wealth to your advantage whether or not that wealth accrued through any merit (it may have done in Vichai's case, I don't know; it certainly didn't in Top's case; he might be a lovely bloke and/or a high achiever of the future, but for now he's just the son of a megarich businessman).

 

Surely, apart from loving the patterns, passion, anticipation, unpredictability and excitement of football, supporting a team is all about a visceral connection (in the guts) with the team from your city, or from the city you moved to or the team that your Dad supported, whatever?

 

People with a shallow interest in football and a stronger interest in politics don't understand this. They lose interest because it's all "big business". No, it's not! That's a reality, but the team (passing through), the fans (staying put) and the history (writ in stone) matter much more. My politically left-wing, Forest-supporting mate is obsessed with club balance sheets! They matter, but not as much as the fans, the manager and the team!

 

I'm not naturally vocal at matches (home ones, at least, and I rarely get to away matches) but if a chant gets going for the team - or particularly for the manager - I'll be joining in at top volume. Worshiping billionnaires in the 12th minute? Don't think so.

 

As others have said, it is shameful that we haven't shown more appreciation for NP this season. His record in 4 full seasons: L1 champions, Championship play-offs twice, now top of Championship (though nothing achieved yet). Pretty good. "There's only one Top Nigel Pearson!!"

 

Yep, I thought I'd done a decent post and it's been blown out the water only 10 minutes later. Well played. +1

[RonnieTodger]

Jesus, are we going to do this every time they're at a home game from now on? It's been done. Move on.

[Mack]

Jesus, are we going to do this every time they're at a home game from now on? It's been done. Move on.

 

Isn't it a decent idea to show them in person we think they are moving in the right direction?

Rather than sit on here like some and slag off a family and business that have invested £125 million into our club and have seen us at the top of the league with every chance of promotion to the Premier League.

I wish I could make sense of the negativity, but I just cant, apart from ignorance, jealousy or other possibilities I don't even want to consider.

[Dan]

Isn't it a decent idea to show them in person we think they are moving in the right direction?

Rather than sit on here like some and slag off a family and business that have invested £125 million into our club and have seen us at the top of the league with every chance of promotion to the Premier League.

I wish I could make sense of the negativity, but I just cant, apart from ignorance, jealousy or other possibilities I don't even want to consider.

 

If the ground was rocking (and to be fair against Derby, it was) every week then that would be, in my opinion, an appreciation of the club and team that they own.

 

One-off (well, two-off) applauses ain't the answer.

[Raj]

Did the non clappers of the 12th minute show their appreciation BEFORE the game!!!!????? Yeah funny that!!!!!

[Dan]

I heard the Birch saying something about it which is about right. I didn't get in until about 3:02 anyway due to waiting outside for someone to give a ticket to them.

 

The atmosphere today was quality and showed the appreciation I've been alluding to. Good effort today.