indierich06 Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 I would hope that we'd all agree that the owners at least deserve praise for standing by NP last season when so many people were calling for his head. They deserve praise for ignoring a minority of moronic, short-sighted football fans and making the obvious, sensible business decision? Like I said, I think the owners have done a great job, and I think that it's great that they've done a lot to secure the long-term future of the club, but they should be running the club well, and our financial situation only had to be secured because of financial mistakes that they themselves made. If Mandaric had left us all that debt and the Thais came in and cleared it up, maybe I'd feel differently. The way I look at it, they've cleared up their own mess and they're doing a good job. I hope they're here for many years to come. But I'm not going to kiss their arses when they're yet to acheive the one aim they set out to achieve when they got here - and that's promotion.
MooseBreath Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Incorrect, Mandaric let NP go on the advice from the Thais who wanted to install Sousa (there buddy - was seen at the playoff semi final). Says who? Mandaric was kept on for his advice. Therefore seems unlikely the thais were the ones giving the advice.
MooseBreath Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 As I said earlier Martin George got managerial appointments correct and helped us to the Premier League twice from the verge of Division Three. Pearson has had nowhere near the investment that other managers have had and they never got us at the top, let alone top six. Pearson and his network have brought in all but four or five key players right now (Nugent, Schmeichel, Konchesky and Moore being the exceptions), so yes money has helped to an extent but research into players was huge. Pearson makes generally quite good signings (though there have been plenty of duds), I'm not disputing that, but the fact remains that you can't make many good signings without money. Knockeart, Vardy, Drinkwater, Wood, De Laet etc all cost money we got from the Thais. You put together a team of Pearsons <250k signings and see how well you think it would do.
MooseBreath Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 They deserve praise for ignoring a minority of moronic, short-sighted football fans and making the obvious, sensible business decision? Like I said, I think the owners have done a great job, and I think that it's great that they've done a lot to secure the long-term future of the club, but they should be running the club well, and our financial situation only had to be secured because of financial mistakes that they themselves made. If Mandaric had left us all that debt and the Thais came in and cleared it up, maybe I'd feel differently. The way I look at it, they've cleared up their own mess and they're doing a good job. I hope they're here for many years to come. But I'm not going to kiss their arses when they're yet to acheive the one aim they set out to achieve when they got here - and that's promotion. £30m of it was Mandarics debt, so you've got exactly what you wanted Seriously don't understand why you feel the need to weigh in with criticism when you clearly don't known even the basics of what has happened
Dickov22 Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Rather than the cringey applause for the owners, how about people sing for the Manager. He's done an incredible job.
Harry - LCFC Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Yep How about you focus your gratitude on the people who are actually responsible for our current success? Don't tell us we're not thankful enough for what we have, we just know who to thank where as you appear not to.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 They deserve praise for ignoring a minority of moronic, short-sighted football fans and making the obvious, sensible business decision? Like I said, I think the owners have done a great job, and I think that it's great that they've done a lot to secure the long-term future of the club, but they should be running the club well, and our financial situation only had to be secured because of financial mistakes that they themselves made. If Mandaric had left us all that debt and the Thais came in and cleared it up, maybe I'd feel differently. The way I look at it, they've cleared up their own mess and they're doing a good job. I hope they're here for many years to come. But I'm not going to kiss their arses when they're yet to acheive the one aim they set out to achieve when they got here - and that's promotion. Many owners would've sacked NP last season without hesitation
Dan Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 I thought the whole idea behind them buying Leicester was that they'd make a loss on us, but they'd expand King Power in the process and adding the two together, they'd make a profit overall from the whole exercise.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 How about you focus your gratitude on the people who are actually responsible for our current success? Don't tell us we're not thankful enough for what we have, we just know who to thank where as you appear not to. How about being thankful to both NP and our owners? I know I am
Dan Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 I would hope that we'd all agree that the owners at least deserve praise for standing by NP last season when so many people were calling for his head. Yep. For me that's been one of their best decisions yet.
Asha Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Clapping's a bit of a silly idea but if you're referring to appreciating what the owners have done, I'm not sure that's "irrelevant". Referring more so to the PhD fella
ealingfox Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Are our fans so miserable in general that they literally can't applaud the owners, sing for the manager and shout for the team all in the same match? Is it too much to ask? Anyone saying they support the Club and not the owners, well the owners are part of the Club, so supporting the Club is supporting the owners and vice versa. And fwiw, the continuing lack of Pearson chants is truly baffling.
MooseBreath Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Imo the lack of Pearson chants is down to three reasons: 1) syntax - it is not a great name for chanting 2) "delusions of grandeur" 3) the fact that Pearson seems like the kind of guy who rather be stabbed in the face than have some whimsical song being sung in his honour
indierich06 Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 £30m of it was Mandarics debt, so you've got exactly what you wanted Seriously don't understand why you feel the need to weigh in with criticism when you clearly don't known even the basics of what has happened Where have I criticised them? No-one is criticising them, just saying they don't deserve their arses kissing when we are yet to achieve anything under their ownership of this club. Since Mandaric sold us of off, we took three steps back and we're only this season starting to see some of the benefits of their ownership, despite them throwing millions at the problem. Yes, things are good now. But have we been promoted yet? No. When we are, they can have as many cringeworthy, orchestrated rounds of applause as they want. And as for 'Oh, well it was Mandaric who pushed out NP' - where on earth do you get that idea? These are astute businessmen and they were buying a club, run by a manager who had just overachieved to get them into the playoffs at the first time of asking after bringing the club back up from it's lowest ebb. If they were advised by Mandaric not to keep him, they're fools for listening and if they decided to get rid themselves, then they're fools for that too.
Jace Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Anyone ever expecting to make a cash injection into this football club and expect a financial return would be completely mad. Businessmen buy football clubs to promote their own businesses and in this case to have the ultimate luxury item in life a Premiership football club. Some billionaires buy their own island but there are thousands of them in the World but their are only 20 Premiership football clubs.
broughtonblue Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 How about you focus your gratitude on the people who are actually responsible for our current success? Don't tell us we're not thankful enough for what we have, we just know who to thank where as you appear not to. Don't know if you have missed my posts on this thread. My gratitude is focused on those responsible for our current success, the owners, who have made mistakes but have rectified them. Paying off the debt and bringing NP back. And backing him in the transfer market to enable us to be in the position in which we are now!
Beliall Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Imo the lack of Pearson chants is down to three reasons: 1) syntax - it is not a great name for chanting 2) "delusions of grandeur" 3) the fact that Pearson seems like the kind of guy who rather be stabbed in the face than have some whimsical song being sung in his honour maybe a chant about pearson not liking chants.
Corky Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 maybe a chant about pearson not liking chants. Here's to you Nigel Pearson, we won't chant your name, just so you know..
sylofox Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 £30m of the debt was left over from Mandaric. That's money they've essentially gifted the club with no realistic hope of much return. I don't see many people queuing up to give us £30m. The rest of the debt was accumulated through buying the stadium, getting us a cat 1 academy, improving the training ground, and buying and paying players like Nugent and Kaspar, who among others look like leading us to the premiership. Again, that's money they've gifted to the club, with not much hope of a return. All this talk about 'the debt' as if it was all spent on coke and hookers. It was all spent on improving the club, and the results of that are plain to see. Plus in reality it was never even a debt, the owners said they were going to wipe it out and that's what they did. The investment was structured in a tax efficient manner. Essentially they have gifted the club over £100m. We've already clapped the owners so we dont need to do it again, but the people who are refusing to acknowledge that they deserve a lot of credit are coming across as a bit weird, probably xenophobic, possibly racist. How the fvck can you accuse anyone of that. My comment was I don't trust them I don't care if they are green with pink spots. I don't trust any foreign owner look at Cardiff and Hull to start with. Also where were all the foreign owners when people were knocking the crap out of each other and no money in the game? Untill the ridiculous sky money came into the game we had none. Now they all want a slice of the pie and fame. We now have foreign owners at chelsea man city/utd liverpool and most of arsenal is foreign owned. Now no one else can compete no one will do what forest did or villa in the prem. Even the fa cup has been fvcked up by money and attitudes of owners. As for our owners being fans top was at uni here and got a ticket to the final that don't make them fans. He could have been at liverpool and would have been a tranmere fan then. As for paying off the debt yes great but the ground is in there name not the clubs.
ealingfox Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 How the fvck can you accuse anyone of that. My comment was I don't trust them I don't care if they are green with pink spots. I don't trust any foreign owner look at Cardiff and Hull to start with. You know that's essentially the definition of xenophobia don't you?
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 It's documented that they became Leicester fans at the cup final v Boro. Now I'm not saying they're not here for financial reasons or to promote the KP brand or that they don't expect a return on their investment, just that they do have an affinity for the club that goes back long before them buying it. How that equates to believing in Santa Claus, f**k knows! It equates in the way that you're willing to believe in a notion/idea because it's nice and sounds good, even if it's highly implausible. Let's get one thing straight: the owners were not Leicester City fans before Mandaric's middle-man found them over in Asia and presented a business opportunity to them. Be it that that business opportunity was to make money by selling the club for more than it was bought once in The Premier League, simply an opportunity of some good marketing/publicity for King Power or something a whole lot more dubious or sinister we do not know yet. If you would like to believe that they were Leicester City fans who followed us to our cup successes in 1997 and 2000, idolising Claridge and feeling desperately nervous and anxious during a midweek where Leicester travelled to Selhurst Park to secure a place at Wembley or loving the penalty-saving heroics of Arphexad and the crucial goals from Matt Elliott year later, you can do. But you will be believing in a PR-spin, a marketing ploy and essentially a lie. The owners so far have been very good for the club (and to a certain extent the local community), but the minute you start blurring the lines between owner and supporter you're just setting yourself up for a disappointment the minute they do something which panders to their business interest more than it does their affinity for the club. They are here with business interests and any decision they make will be evaluated for the financial impact it makes upon their corporate situation before anything else. Here until their dying day having secured the club they loved and always wanted to own they are not... Documented by who? As far as I can recall that's something Top said when they bought the club. It's bullshit, designed to ingratiate themselves with the fans. This is a business to them, no more. And as for the twat above who claims those who do not believe the owners deserve credit are probably xenophobic/racist, **** right off. The reason I don't give them credit is because they've done no more than they're supposed to do. They're supposed to run the football club properly. I wish people would applaud me to turning up to work every day. This guy's not chugging it!
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 How the fvck can you accuse anyone of that. My comment was I don't trust them I don't care if they are green with pink spots. I don't trust any foreign owner look at Cardiff and Hull to start with. Also where were all the foreign owners when people were knocking the crap out of each other and no money in the game? Untill the ridiculous sky money came into the game we had none. Now they all want a slice of the pie and fame. We now have foreign owners at chelsea man city/utd liverpool and most of arsenal is foreign owned. Now no one else can compete no one will do what forest did or villa in the prem. Even the fa cup has been fvcked up by money and attitudes of owners. As for our owners being fans top was at uni here and got a ticket to the final that don't make them fans. He could have been at liverpool and would have been a tranmere fan then. As for paying off the debt yes great but the ground is in there name not the clubs. Yep that's pretty much xenophobia
Jacnah Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 I hope so and I hope everyone laughs at you. The debt they've cleared was accumulated by themselves. I'm fed up of this mindset where people think these guys give a shit about me and you. They don't. If they did they would charge us acceptable prices. If they do that i will clapping like crazy....untl then Im grateful they dont seem lunatics like other clubs egomaniac owners, but I recognise we are in a mutually beneficial relationship...not one whereby they are doing all the work and i feel the need to tug my forelock towards them. I do though appreciate the OPs underlying point that they have, so far, been good owners
Finnaldo Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 Quick question. What if Boro score in the 12th minute?
suffolk fox Posted 24 January 2014 Posted 24 January 2014 It equates in the way that you're willing to believe in a notion/idea because it's nice and sounds good, even if it's highly implausible. Let's get one thing straight: the owners were not Leicester City fans before Mandaric's middle-man found them over in Asia and presented a business opportunity to them. Be it that that business opportunity was to make money by selling the club for more than it was bought once in The Premier League, simply an opportunity of some good marketing/publicity for King Power or something a whole lot more dubious or sinister we do not know yet. If you would like to believe that they were Leicester City fans who followed us to our cup successes in 1997 and 2000, idolising Claridge and feeling desperately nervous and anxious during a midweek where Leicester travelled to Selhurst Park to secure a place at Wembley or loving the penalty-saving heroics of Arphexad and the crucial goals from Matt Elliott year later, you can do. But you will be believing in a PR-spin, a marketing ploy and essentially a lie. The owners so far have been very good for the club (and to a certain extent the local community), but the minute you start blurring the lines between owner and supporter you're just setting yourself up for a disappointment the minute they do something which panders to their business interest more than it does their affinity for the club. They are here with business interests and any decision they make will be evaluated for the financial impact it makes upon their corporate situation before anything else. Here until their dying day having secured the club they loved and always wanted to own they are not... This guy's not chugging it! Top post this.
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