Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 So why are Burnley and derby second and third? Because they are better than the others... the point is it means **** all whether you think that's where they should because they have no big names, or because they failed in the past. Palace got promoted after two or three years of being utter shite. Nobody can say one way or the other whether it's stronger or not, the majority of the teams are the same as they were last year, but we've gained and lost three from each league above and below.
chili_con_carne Posted 24 February 2014 Author Posted 24 February 2014 Because they have talented players and a settled XI? Bit similar to the team who is first. Talented players my arse. If we had signed Sam vokes even a year ago our fans would be fuming at signing such a poor journeyman player who's career was on a downward spiral. How Burnley are second in this league I don't have a clue. Oh wait I do... Because the league is so poor this season
foxfanazer Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I don't have a clue.You can say that again
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Talented players my arse. If we had signed Sam vokes even a year ago our fans would be fuming at signing such a poor journeyman player who's career was on a downward spiral. How Burnley are second in this league I don't have a clue. Oh wait I do... Because the league is so poor this season Presumably you were saying the same last year then when palace were hovering around the top three for most of the year until Holloway managed to turn them shit.
HitchinFox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 We are good! This is the best Leicester team in years but how anyone can say this is a strong league this season is mad. Well call me mad then. This is a strong league this season and certainly MUCH stronger than last season. Last season it was expected that Wolves and Blackburn would boss the league, with Cardiff, Bolton, Midd'boro and us being among the challengers for play offs, possibly one of the auto promotion spots. What happened? Wolves got relegated, Blackburn never turned up and only Cardiff really looked like running away with it. As a result, that "void of success" was filled with teams (Hull, Watford, Brighton, Palace) who nobody really assumed would challenge for promotion. Teams that could just do enough by winning a few more games than others around them. Last season, everybody could beat anybody, but it wasn't because every team was a good one - it was because there were so many clubs playing mediocre football. The difference between third from bottom and relegation (Peterboro, 54 pts) and sixth and play offs (us with 68 pts) was only 14 points. This year, at this stage, that gap is already 23 pts). Peterborough won 15 games and got relegated. We won 19 games and made the play offs. Just four wins separated us. Now, if you choose to read that as "hell, must have been a tough league" then you're the mad one. What that tells everybody else is that winning just twice in a row would make a massive difference in where you finish in the league. But many teams were playing too shit to do that. Including us. This season, the teams wanting to get promoted really need to play well week in week out. Grinding out results. Sneaking those 1-0s. Last season, QPR could have lost three in a row and still be second. This season, they've already dropped to fourth. Make no mistake. Us commanding the top spot this year is much more of an achievement than it would have been last season, when teams kept losing on a regular basis. This year it is much harder to keep up after a slip up. As somebody who sees a lot of football over the season, I must also add that the standard of football this year in the Championship is much better than it was last season. Whether it is the FFP preventing mad offseasons and wholesale changes, leading to teams that actually know how to play together, I don't know. But what I know is that whoever wins the league this season, has done so in an extremely competitive environment where any and all slip ups have been punished.
chili_con_carne Posted 24 February 2014 Author Posted 24 February 2014 Presumably you were saying the same last year then when palace were hovering around the top three for most of the year until Holloway managed to turn them shit. The league last season was pretty poor aswell. It has been for a few years now. I just think it is all about keeping a settled squad and great team morale. And fairly good quality. The fact Burnley and derby are second and third proves that. How does that prove the league has 'quality'. it doesn't. I just hope this season doesn't give anyone the wrong ideas for next season. We need a lot more quality to stay in the premiership. I'm talking 7 New players for next season with genuine quality or we will go down simple as that.
foxfanazer Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 The league last season was pretty poor aswell. It has been for a few years now. I just think it is all about keeping a settled squad and great team morale. And fairly good quality. The fact Burnley and derby are second and third proves that. How does that prove the league has 'quality'. it doesn't. I just hope this season doesn't give anyone the wrong ideas for next season. We need a lot more quality to stay in the premiership. I'm talking 7 New players for next season with genuine quality or we will go down simple as that.Can you let Pearson know your pearls of wisdom please?
Guest MattP Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Talented players my arse. If we had signed Sam vokes even a year ago our fans would be fuming at signing such a poor journeyman player who's career was on a downward spiral. How Burnley are second in this league I don't have a clue. Oh wait I do... Because the league is so poor this season Or maybe he finally had a season to settle in and play football properly and now he's at the age of 24 he is reaching his peak? That sometimes happens with strikers, I remember a lot of our fans fuming at one in our team now last season.
chili_con_carne Posted 24 February 2014 Author Posted 24 February 2014 Will Jamie vardy be running past the premiership defenders at ease ? Just look at Frazier Campbell. Top championship striker. Poor premiership striker. Neither vardy or Nugent is good enough. We would have to do a hull and sign strikers such as jelavic and long to stay up.
Guest MattP Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 The league last season was pretty poor aswell. It has been for a few years now. I just think it is all about keeping a settled squad and great team morale. And fairly good quality. The fact Burnley and derby are second and third proves that. How does that prove the league has 'quality'. it doesn't. I just hope this season doesn't give anyone the wrong ideas for next season. We need a lot more quality to stay in the premiership. I'm talking 7 New players for next season with genuine quality or we will go down simple as that. We wont need seven, making huge changes never works, work on 3/4 genuine quality additions to fit in with the younger players.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 How old are you mate? If it is such a poor league wouldn't QPR be running away with it? Seeing as though they've got arguably the best squad? Isn't the championship rated as one of the best leagues in the world?
HitchinFox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I'm talking 7 New players for next season with genuine quality or we will go down simple as that. Silly Sven Carnage. That's what your name should be.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I just think it is all about keeping a settled squad and great team morale. And fairly good quality. So what you are saying is, if you are a good team you will be near the top... gotcha. How does that prove the league has 'quality'. it doesn't. Sweet baby Jesus. So, if QPR and Reading and Wigan were top rather than us, Derby and Burnley, you would most probably be saying the league had quality, because they are the teams you perceive should be doing well. Yet because they aren't, and little old Burnley and Derby are there the league has no quality. I just hope this season doesn't give anyone the wrong ideas for next season. We need a lot more quality to stay in the premiership. I'm talking 7 New players for next season with genuine quality or we will go down simple as that. I'm sure we are all aware that new signings will be needed, but that's a completely different point than the one you were talking about.
cc_star Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 We wont need seven, making huge changes never works, work on 3/4 genuine quality additions to fit in with the younger players. It's like he's had a lobotomy and forgotten everything that has cost us in previous seasons & has brought us the success in this season Also look mat QPR, never in Prem bottom 3 under Warnock, (although he was in a bad run) 'Arry comes in spends more money than ManCity, Chelsea, PSG & Monaco combined and takes them down. Not only that, but repeats his mistakes of signing too many players destabilising the squad and they're falling down the league with just 8 wins in 21 Still, yeah.... wholesale changes always work, right
artursteppe Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 We wont need seven, making huge changes never works, work on 3/4 genuine quality additions to fit in with the younger players. Two or three of the best young players in the Championship, maybe Cresswell at left back, Danny Ings if Burnley don't make it, that sort of quality, plus two or three real quality would be OK I reckon. We need our French connection to come up with a couple more Frenchies who are a step up from Knocky and Mahrez.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Two or three of the best young players in the Championship, maybe Cresswell at left back, Danny Ings if Burnley don't make it, that sort of quality, plus two or three real quality would be OK I reckon. We need our French connection to come up with a couple more Frenchies who are a step up from Knocky and Mahrez. Yep, agree with doing it that way and I think NP would too.
Fox92 Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 No. This division is never easy. Forget about our league position at the minute, prior to the season starting people were talking about 8 or 12 teams in the mix for promotion, whether it be Wigan, QPR, Bolton, Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Blackburn, Ipswich, Reading etc. To be in our position as we are. end of the second month, 10 points clear of third is unbelievable and even with my expectations and faith in Nige and the squad I didn't expect us to be top of the league at this current stage like we are. There isn't a case of the division being "easier" because it's not, and like with every division in the World, you can only beat what's in front of you. Credit to Nige, credit to the lads, our progress this year has been sensation and a pleasure to see.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Two or three of the best young players in the Championship, maybe Cresswell at left back, Danny Ings if Burnley don't make it, that sort of quality, plus two or three real quality would be OK I reckon. We need our French connection to come up with a couple more Frenchies who are a step up from Knocky and Mahrez. I think knocky and mahrez could be vital next season if we get promoted unless you think they won't be good enough?
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I think knocky and mahrez could be vital next season if we get promoted unless you think they won't be good enough? Not seen enough of Mahrez, and Knockaert is just too slow to make an impact as a premier league winger IMO. Still think we'd have to find him a position behind the striker in the prem. But, you never know.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Not seen enough of Mahrez, and Knockaert is just too slow to make an impact as a premier league winger IMO. Still think we'd have to find him a position behind the striker in the prem. But, you never know. Hmmm I think he will be ok , he's still young
Jalwit Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Or perhaps we are just good ffs. Well, yes there is actually. Considering Dull got promoted on 79 points having lost 15 games. The amount of points gained/matches lost on the road to promotion says nothing about the overall quality of the league. The only value it holds is in showing the level of disparity in quality between the best and worst teams. I don't see how you can make an objective judgement of the overall quality of the league either way, leaving it to judgement based on what you have seen this season, and what you have seen in previous seasons. The amount of vitriol directed at one person who has stated their opinion on one side of the argument seems disproportionate to the reliability of the alternative.
WhispyWizard Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Not really easier seeming: all 3 teams that came down are in and around the top 6 with pretty much the same squads that were in the prem, minus the "stars" Remy and McCarthy. Last years team that came down did nothing, that makes this year tougher. Forest, Derby, Burnley and ourselves have improved, while the only team to really slip away is Watford. Like others said, at the start of the year it was "whos going up with QPR?"
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Babs, Points from previous seasons mean NOTHING I don't get why people are going on about points and how many games lost... The quality of the teams the last few seasons are probably better than this season FVCKING ACCIDENTAL REP Don't talk shit. Pretty much the only way you can compare the competition is on how wins and points totals tally up. It only feels like an easy league because we're doing so well. Why try to make excuses? Can't people just accept that we're a good, well run team this season? Granted there's Yeovil in the league this season. There's also several teams with huge budgets and Premiership players coming out of their arses
Guest MattP Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Not seen enough of Mahrez, and Knockaert is just too slow to make an impact as a premier league winger IMO. Still think we'd have to find him a position behind the striker in the prem. But, you never know. I think Knocky might actually find it a little easier in the Premier League, bit more time on the ball might do him a lot of good. His touch is top class, if he can find a way to make incisive balls through to our pacey strikers we'll have a spot for him, he is better against teams who come at us as well rather than who put ten behind the ball.
chili_con_carne Posted 24 February 2014 Author Posted 24 February 2014 I think hull city is the perfect example of signing the right players for the premiership. Top quality but who all have a point to prove. Qpr were completely the wrong example
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