davieG Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 The league last season was pretty poor aswell. It has been for a few years now. I just think it is all about keeping a settled squad and great team morale. And fairly good quality. The fact Burnley and derby are second and third proves that. How does that prove the league has 'quality'. it doesn't. I just hope this season doesn't give anyone the wrong ideas for next season. We need a lot more quality to stay in the premiership. I'm talking 7 New players for next season with genuine quality or we will go down simple as that. How does it prove the league doesn't have quality. Having settled squad with great team morale has aways been a better recipe for success Will Jamie vardy be running past the premiership defenders at ease ? Just look at Frazier Campbell. Top championship striker. Poor premiership striker. Neither vardy or Nugent is good enough. We would have to do a hull and sign strikers such as jelavic and long to stay up. Having to strengthen the team has no relevance on whether the league this years is stronger or not, you've even made that point by saying Frazier Campbell didn't make the step up from this league from a previous season so how strong was it then.
TrentFox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 And how exactly can you say it's not as strong as last year? What are you basing this on, from what I can tell it's because no teams have really been better than us.... well that generally happens when you are the best team in the league, in fact it happens to someone every single year. Can you not see the futility of your post? Brilliant logic, stunning. Babylon is back, Babylon is back hello, hello ! Babylon is back, Babylon is back ........ Hasn't been the same around here recently, without you slapping sense into people!!
chili_con_carne Posted 24 February 2014 Author Posted 24 February 2014 How does it prove the league doesn't have quality. Having settled squad with great team morale has aways been a better recipe for success Having to strengthen the team has no relevance on whether the league this years is stronger or not, you've even made that point by saying Frazier Campbell didn't make the step up from this league from a previous season so how strong was it then. It proves the league doesn't have quality. If Newcastle have a settled squad with great team morale are they going to win the premiership?
Jace Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I would say the standard hasn't dropped looking at Cardiff, Hull and Palace I don't think they were particularly strong going up last season and looking at QPRs squad and the FA Cup winners Wigan being relegated beating Man City in the final I wouldn't the standard is worse. The main standout team for me in the last few years in the Championship in the last few years was Newcastle they tore this division apart like we did in League 1
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 The amount of points gained/matches lost on the road to promotion says nothing about the overall quality of the league. The only value it holds is in showing the level of disparity in quality between the best and worst teams. I don't see how you can make an objective judgement of the overall quality of the league either way, leaving it to judgement based on what you have seen this season, and what you have seen in previous seasons. The amount of vitriol directed at one person who has stated their opinion on one side of the argument seems disproportionate to the reliability of the alternative. Errrrrr nobody has said that it is harder this year, and everyone has said that it's impossible to tell. The "vitriol" is there because of the ridiculous nature of the presented "evidence". Burnley failed last year, they aren't failing this year.... ergo, the league is poor.
davieG Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 It proves the league doesn't have quality. If Newcastle have a settled squad with great team morale are they going to win the premiership? That still has no relevance as to whether a league is stronger or not, that was my point.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 It proves the league doesn't have quality. No, no it doesn't.
Grewks Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Remember the year blackpool got promoted? A teams success based highly on the goals of 'superstar' DJ Campbell? I would argue, they actually have a larger pool of talent at the club in comparison to then. I would also argue that Reading have the strongest squad they have had at this level since their record breaking season, whilst the likes of wigan have the strongest they have ever had, even more so than last season in my eyes at least. Barnsley have a much stronger squad, but still find themselves in relegation trouble, with 2 of their starting 11 having played regular football for promoted sides last season. Then you have Bolton, who still have a core of ex premier league players, and some of those such as mark davies cannot even break into the starting 11 but were targets for liverpool only a few seasons ago. Is the league weaker? Not at all. The reason why a 'usually average' burnley are up in the top 2 is because they have the best striker partnership in the league (it is better than nuge and vardy however you want to look at it). The league is as strong as it has ever been, there may not be the two giants in newcastle and west brom like there were a few seasons ago, but on average teams are definitely stronger.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Babylon is back, Babylon is back hello, hello ! Babylon is back, Babylon is back ........ Hasn't been the same around here recently, without you slapping sense into people!! Well I try... although it's about as futile as this argument.
Corky Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Fvcking hell, what a miserable thread. You'd think being 8 points clear at the top and 10 clear of third, scoring goals and not losing for 13 games we'd actually be considered a half-decent team but no, it's because the rest of the league is crap. What do you want? Us to be closer to second to give us a challenge? I'd certainly rather go up in this easy league with hopefully 95+ points than have scraped up in the awesomely brilliant promotion fight of last season where a team can win 3 in 17 and still finish sixth whilst second place can lose 15 matches.
LCCFox96 Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 The championship is never easy. We will do well - even from our position - to get out of it. Everyone mugs each other and points tend to be dropped all over the shot. We are just a little stronger this year so notice it slightly less. The league is full of excitement and dispair. Love and hate this bastard division.
Grewks Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 It proves the league doesn't have quality. If Newcastle have a settled squad with great team morale are they going to win the premiership? How can you compare the yearly strength of the championship to that of the premier league? Especially when you can see that the gap is closing, just look at the success at hull, cardiff (until they sacked mackay the worst decision in their clubs history) and even palace now pulis is there, added to the so far failures of qpr, wigan etc this season.
artursteppe Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I think knocky and mahrez could be vital next season if we get promoted unless you think they won't be good enough? The point I was making was that Schlupp could replace Dyer.
ADK Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I think it's easier this season. There are some really crap teams.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I think it's easier this season. There are some really crap teams. There are some really crap teams every year.
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Season in, season out.. the Championship remains difficult to get out of. This season is no easier. We've just been very very good over Christmas and since. Why we are where we are is due to us. Nothing else. What I don't agree with and never have, is that the gap is closing between the Championship and the Prem. Just watching Norwich yesterday showed that they have a very decent side who can beat a very able Tottenham side. We must strengthen if we go up, I have no doubt. Hull have a team much better this season than last, as do Palace. The whole Cardiff saga is a bit of a unique one. They've fooked it up good and proper. And with Ole Gunnar (a bloke who many considered might do well here) I think they've gone further backwards.
MIAMI_FOX Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 The fact Burnley and derby are 2nd and 3rd says a lot about the great quality of the league this season! Two clubs who pretty much fail every season. You could say the same abou tus "failing most" seasons. that makes no sence At the end of the day you can only beat whats put in front of you. This is a wonderful season which we should be enjoying and making th emost of after the shite we have been served up with over the past few years. Just embrace it and enjoy the ride. No need for any "glass half empty" brigade.
lancyclaret Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 A lot of people are still waiting for Burnley to implode and sink to mid-table. Palace were rubbish for the final 10 games of last season, scraped into the play-offs and went up. No-one seemed to want that second automatic place until fell over the line with 79 points on the final day when Watford lost at home to Leeds. On form, Palace were probably the outsiders in the play-offs. Burnley and Derby haven't failed every season - both have been in the Premier League in the last 5/6 seasons.
Grewks Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 A lot of people are still waiting for Burnley to implode and sink to mid-table. Palace were rubbish for the final 10 games of last season, scraped into the play-offs and went up. No-one seemed to want that second automatic place until fell over the line with 79 points on the final day when Watford lost at home to Leeds. On form, Palace were probably the outsiders in the play-offs. The difference is....i cannot see dyche leaving for a team in mid-table...can you? I think that explained their form over the last 10 games more than anything else. The only way i can see burnley imploding would be injuries to vokes/ings, and for ourselves to implode we probably have to lose de laet, wes, moore, james, drinky, dyer, knocky, nuge, vardy, wood.
davieG Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 It's nigh on impossible to gauge whether the league as a whole is stronger or weaker, you may be able to look at individual teams but to do that objectively to 23 teams, well it can't be done even if you used a load of stats they would only tell half a story. I do feel however that the Championship of recent years and indeed the FL as a whole is of a much higher quality than it was back in the 90s. there are so many more players that are 'comfortable' on the ball, are faster, pass better, defend with more thought rather than just hoofing it into the stands.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Burnley and Derby haven't failed every season - both have been in the Premier League in the last 5/6 seasons. Ha ha excellent point, so it is in fact Leicester that are the perennial failures dragging down the quality of the league!!!
Babylon Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 It's nigh on impossible to gauge whether the league as a whole is stronger or weaker, you may be able to look at individual teams but to do that objectively to 23 teams, well it can't be done even if you used a load of stats they would only tell half a story. I do feel however that the Championship of recent years and indeed the FL as a whole is of a much higher quality than it was back in the 90s. there are so many more players that are 'comfortable' on the ball, are faster, pass better, defend with more thought rather than just hoofing it into the stands. Foreigner influx thankfully means the likes of Jimmy Willis only play in league two now!!!
sylofox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Personally don't think it is any easier or harder any year. It is a second tier league and every year has 6 different teams in it to start. All clubs make changes every season so it is always evolving. As far as we are concerned IMO we are just a better team than last season. We have a stable squad and everyone learnt a lot last season even NP. This season we have added a little more experiance and NP keeps the changes to a minimum.
davieG Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Ha ha excellent point, so it is in fact Leicester that are the perennial failures dragging down the quality of the league!!! But....... http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/93110-championship-5-year-average/
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