cambridgefox Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 20 hours slave labour will do you better than sitting around masterbating all day and eating crisps for breakfasti work and still do that!
Lamby Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 Basically it's all about making people do work in order to receive their weekly payment, how is that not slave labour? I've just done around 15 hours work over the weekend for about £95 of pay, some weeks I would be better off claiming the full amount of JSA. However I do have a job interview on Thursday so we'll so how that goes.
Captain... Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 Basically it's all about making people do work in order to receive their weekly payment, how is that not slave labour? That's called a job.
Haydos Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 If done properly then no, but most likely it will be the usual half arsed execution, where big businesses exploit any free labour at the expense of actual paying people to do the job. In my opinion the job centre should run like an employment agency, and they don't pay benefits as such, but a retainer to cover you when you aren't working but when you are you get properly paid for it. At the moment it is an overly bureaucratic inefficient way of giving people money for nothing. They wouldn't have the funds for that though would they? I just think a lot more could be done to better people. When I was signed on for a short while I had one meeting a week for half an hour. I did spend a lot of time looking for jobs/handing cv's out/talking to people etc but I literally could have put anything on that form. There were no checks done, barely any questions asked, no real help or discussion had. It just encourages scroungers, you don't have to do anything to pick up free money and they could enforce things. 'This money is on offer if you do x, y and z. If you don't then we won't give you some money as a benefit.'
Rincewind Posted 5 August 2014 Author Posted 5 August 2014 They are even taking the telephones away from the job Centres now. If somebody does not/unable to use a phone PC/access they are stuffed. They should be helping people find work by actually looking up suitable places. Not everyone has the mental aptitude to do everything in their own time. plus the places can be depressing after a time if faced with staff looking for ways to sanction people.
Haydos Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 Basically it's all about making people do work in order to receive their weekly payment, how is that not slave labour? I've just done around 15 hours work over the weekend for about £95 of pay, some weeks I would be better off claiming the full amount of JSA. However I do have a job interview on Thursday so we'll so how that goes. What the **** is the matter with you? Do you genuinely not know what the word 'slave' means? You've worked this week and earned a decent bit of money. If you are earning under what you would receive for JSA isn't there something you can do in those weeks where they give you a little extra to top up? You don't seem to be in the most desparate position so there seems to be no reason why you can't spend the rest of your time looking. You're in a bar job at the moment, right?
The Doctor Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 Basically it's all about making people do work in order to receive their weekly payment, how is that not slave labour? I've just done around 15 hours work over the weekend for about £95 of pay, some weeks I would be better off claiming the full amount of JSA. However I do have a job interview on Thursday so we'll so how that goes. - you know what slave labour is right? While there's a degree of slavery to it (it's forced - work or starve is not a choice), it includes recompense for your time - it's closer to a job with very poor security than slavery (another point there - slavery has very good job security).
Lamby Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 What the **** is the matter with you? Do you genuinely not know what the word 'slave' means? You've worked this week and earned a decent bit of money. If you are earning under what you would receive for JSA isn't there something you can do in those weeks where they give you a little extra to top up? You don't seem to be in the most desparate position so there seems to be no reason why you can't spend the rest of your time looking. You're in a bar job at the moment, right? The whole process of claiming money back from when you don't work is long. You have to fill in a form saying you didn't work, then send a payslip in despite not having one then wait forever for a response. They still owe me about £130 for my 3 weeks of not working in January. I am a glorified cleaner in a private hire venue. It's ****ing shit I'll tell you that. Need to move away from that so have an interview for an admin position on Thursday.
Haydos Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 They are even taking the telephones away from the job Centres now. If somebody does not/unable to use a phone PC/access they are stuffed. They should be helping people find work by actually looking up suitable places. Not everyone has the mental aptitude to do everything in their own time. plus the places can be depressing after a time if faced with staff looking for ways to sanction people. How long has this 'sanctioning' stuff been happening? The minimum you had to do when I was on it was look for a fe jobs and turn up for a meeting every 2 weeks. Has it changed or are people honestly complaining about that?
The Doctor Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 The whole process of claiming money back from when you don't work is long. You have to fill in a form saying you didn't work, then send a payslip in despite not having one then wait forever for a response. They still owe me about £130 for my 3 weeks of not working in January. I am a glorified cleaner in a private hire venue. It's ****ing shit I'll tell you that. Need to move away from that so have an interview for an admin position on Thursday. That's how the world works. If they aren't getting it done and you're still waiting - chase it up; don't just twiddle your thumbs and then complain.
Captain... Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 They wouldn't have the funds for that though would they? I just think a lot more could be done to better people. When I was signed on for a short while I had one meeting a week for half an hour. I did spend a lot of time looking for jobs/handing cv's out/talking to people etc but I literally could have put anything on that form. There were no checks done, barely any questions asked, no real help or discussion had. It just encourages scroungers, you don't have to do anything to pick up free money and they could enforce things. 'This money is on offer if you do x, y and z. If you don't then we won't give you some money as a benefit.' If they followed the business model of a temp agency then that would incentivise the job centre to actually place unemployed in jobs, companies pay temp agencies a lot, temp agencies pay temps fvck all, a good temp agency can turn a healthy profit, turn the Job Centre into a temp agency/recruitment centre, then the income from placing the unemployed in a job would help cover the outlay in "benefits". It probably wouldn't cover it completely, but it would be better than just handing it over for nothing. It would stop people being held to ransom on 0 hour contracts, it would stop people turning down temp work in case it affects their benefits and right to claim as it would be done through the Job Centre. This work force could also be utilised by local councils for community work.
MC Prussian Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 For working under minimum wage For not having a proper job and for not daring to go for one.
Rincewind Posted 5 August 2014 Author Posted 5 August 2014 Haydos. Its gone to the other extreme now. In that list someone was sanctioned because they applied for three jobs one week and three on the Sunday and Monday. Because the JC week started on a Tuesday they were told they had not applied for any the second week. A little common sense would have shown that the person had applied for enough over the two weeks. Another was told being at a job interview was not a good enough reason to miss an appointment. another who had taken a job was sanctioned because they did not apply for any jobs while waiting to start the one the had got. Just crazy.
Lamby Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 That's how the world works. If they aren't getting it done and you're still waiting - chase it up; don't just twiddle your thumbs and then complain. I have tried to chase it up, but the best response I've got is "Well I don't know"
Haydos Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 The whole process of claiming money back from when you don't work is long. You have to fill in a form saying you didn't work, then send a payslip in despite not having one then wait forever for a response. They still owe me about £130 for my 3 weeks of not working in January. I am a glorified cleaner in a private hire venue. It's ****ing shit I'll tell you that. Need to move away from that so have an interview for an admin position on Thursday. The first but is understandably frustrating. Do you not get a monthly/weekly payslip regardless of how much you've worked? You should do or you should be able to ask your employer for one. You've got work on your CV now so it's a start. Have you had help writing one to blag/sell yourself as much as pos. I assume your job at the moment requires good timekeeping/reliability/they can ask you to go in on short notice etc. A lot of min wage jobs won't be expecting a huge amount of stuff on your cv, just someone reliable and capable.
Lamby Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 For not having a proper job and for not daring to go for one. It's all down to employers who can't be bothered to train people. Everything needs 1+ years of experience, but how are you supposed to get that when nobody can be ****ed to hire you to gain some? Haydos. Its gone to the other extreme now. In that list someone was sanctioned because they applied for three jobs one week and three on the Sunday and Monday. Because the JC week started on a Tuesday they were told they had not applied for any the second week. A little common sense would have shown that the person had applied for enough over the two weeks. Another was told being at a job interview was not a good enough reason to miss an appointment. another who had taken a job was sanctioned because they did not apply for any jobs while waiting to start the one the had got. Just crazy. The Job Centre has a start weekday? Shows how much they're not bothering to tell me shit.
MC Prussian Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 The whole process of claiming money back from when you don't work is long. You have to fill in a form saying you didn't work, then send a payslip in despite not having one then wait forever for a response. They still owe me about £130 for my 3 weeks of not working in January. I am a glorified cleaner in a private hire venue. It's ****ing shit I'll tell you that. Need to move away from that so have an interview for an admin position on Thursday. That's for a good reason - otherwise, a lot more people would take note of that "loophole" and apply for money whilst being jobless, because you could make a very quick buck that way for basically doing nothing. As for the money owed to you - you do realize that a) That is money owed to you for not working b) You'll have to be a bit more proactive in order to retrieve it - how often have you gotten back in touch with them in the past six (!) months?
Lamby Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 The first but is understandably frustrating. Do you not get a monthly/weekly payslip regardless of how much you've worked? You should do or you should be able to ask your employer for one. You've got work on your CV now so it's a start. Have you had help writing one to blag/sell yourself as much as pos. I assume your job at the moment requires good timekeeping/reliability/they can ask you to go in on short notice etc. A lot of min wage jobs won't be expecting a huge amount of stuff on your cv, just someone reliable and capable. You only get a payslip when you work which are available to collect the next week. I won't even be able to get this weeks one until the 23rd. Well I turned up slightly drunk on Saturday if that counts as being able to do my job when intoxicated.
Rincewind Posted 5 August 2014 Author Posted 5 August 2014 How long has this 'sanctioning' stuff been happening? The minimum you had to do when I was on it was look for a fe jobs and turn up for a meeting every 2 weeks. Has it changed or are people honestly complaining about that? Its always been there but they seem to be picking any reason to do it. If a person is sanctioned they are not classed as unemployed. Like you said it was easier when I was on it. Three job searches a week. Now it is seven. one person was sanctioned for not applying for a job on Xmas Day.
MC Prussian Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 It's all down to employers who can't be bothered to train people. Everything needs 1+ years of experience, but how are you supposed to get that when nobody can be ****ed to hire you to gain some? The Job Centre has a start weekday? Shows how much they're not bothering to tell me shit. I know in some cases, the wait can be long and the process nerve-racking, gnawing on your self-esteem. However, you can't just put all the blame on the employer's side, and as TPH has already pointed out, we've been very generous on here giving you advice as to how to improve yourself, your lifestyle, your CV and your application tactics. How much of it have you taken to heart?
Lamby Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 That's for a good reason - otherwise, a lot more people would take note of that "loophole" and apply for money whilst being jobless, because you could make a very quick buck that way for basically doing nothing. As for the money owed to you - you do realize that a) That is money owed to you for not working b) You'll have to be a bit more proactive in order to retrieve it - how often have you gotten back in touch with them in the past six (!) months? The whole bloody organisation don't have a clue, Belfast main office say you have to deal with it in your local centre, but then you do and they say to go and sort it out with Belfast. Shambles.
Haydos Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 Haydos. Its gone to the other extreme now. In that list someone was sanctioned because they applied for three jobs one week and three on the Sunday and Monday. Because the JC week started on a Tuesday they were told they had not applied for any the second week. A little common sense would have shown that the person had applied for enough over the two weeks. Another was told being at a job interview was not a good enough reason to miss an appointment. another who had taken a job was sanctioned because they did not apply for any jobs while waiting to start the one the had got. Just crazy. As far as I'm concerned those are all valid (albeit harsh reasons). I thought you had to apply for a job or 3 jobs everyday or something like that. There should be no excuse for not doing this, even if you're busy one day you can just put the date down next time you look for one. There are so many jobs on the jobsite/other sites online so even if it's rubbish or unlikely you'd be considered, fire a cv off or do an application and put it down. The second one, wasn't it because he didn't contact them to let them know and now he could just be lying? With the third one again, I'm pretty sure they explain how it works. It seems stupid but that job could fall through or you could be let go or not be capable of doing it. All they ask is for you to send a couple of cvs/apps of every day. Bottom line is they require a couple of hours effort from you and for you to follow their instructions.
Lamby Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 I once got sanctioned as I didn't apply for a job that was working 55 hours a week when I said I'd do at a maximum 40 hours.
Haydos Posted 5 August 2014 Posted 5 August 2014 Well I turned up slightly drunk on Saturday if that counts as being able to do my job when intoxicated. You just don't help yourself. On here or in life.
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