Some Stupid Benefit Sanctions

[Rincewind]

Well I think they are. I don't think it can be said common sense was used.

An example from the Daily Mail to show I am not biased.

 

You get a job interview. It’s at the same time as your job centre appointment, so you reschedule the job centre. You attend your rearranged appointment and then get a letter saying your benefits will be stopped because going to a job interview isn’t a good enough reason to miss an appointment.

Source: Daily Mail

 

More here.

 

Merge in funny stories if more appropriate.

 

This is interesting. Being on a Workfare schemes, and training programmes count as part of the employment figures paid or unpaid/ Figures obtained from the Office of National Statistics after it was inquired about in Parliament question time.And the number on the programmes has increased.

 

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2012-10-23e.124129.h

 

 

[Lamby]

They really don't know what they're doing. I'm only getting £22 a week due to how much I work, however I'm now off for 19 days and need to claim the full amount, but they want me to declare my hours with a payslip, which I don't get when I don't work. Stupid.

[Rincewind]

Get a letter from your boss

[PAPA LAZAROU]

Get a letter from your boss

 

 

Or better still get a proper job ?

[Lamby]

Or better still get a proper job ?

 

Ah look, someone else trying to make a **** of themselves.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah look, someone else trying to make a **** of themselves.

The only thing stupid around here is this country having a thing called " Benefits " in the first place. Ah look someone else trying to make a **** out of the tax payer. 

[Lamby]

 

Ah look, someone else trying to make a **** of themselves.

The only thing stupid around here is this country having a thing called " Benefits " in the first place. Ah look someone else trying to make a **** out of the tax payer. 

 

 

So just because I don't earn more/equal than all you free spending people it means I can't use any means necessary to get some extra in? What would you propose instead then? Letting people rot away in some alleyway?

 

Do us all a favour and get the **** off of your high horse. ****.

[The People's Hero]

So just because I don't earn more/equal than all you free spending people it means I can't use any means necessary to get some extra in? What would you propose instead then? Letting people rot away in some alleyway?

Do us all a favour and get the **** off of your high horse. ****.

In all seriousness though, he has a point. There was a thread a while ago where you asked for advice and many many people gave good advice about making yourself more employable for little or no outlay.

I think we can all guess how much of that you've done.

[SystonFox]

So just because I don't earn more/equal than all you free spending people it means I can't use any means necessary to get some extra in? What would you propose instead then? Letting people rot away in some alleyway?

 

Do us all a favour and get the **** off of your high horse. ****.

Behave yourself you little shitbag. You're not earning enough and you're asking for advice on how to essentially get free money. ****

[The Doctor]

Ah look, someone else trying to make a **** of themselves.

The only thing stupid around here is this country having a thing called " Benefits " in the first place. Ah look someone else trying to make a **** out of the tax payer.

Yeah, why don't we just let the poor die like the good old days...

The point of benefits is to work as a welfare state, where the state plays the role of protector of its citizens - the entire point of having a government in the first place. But if you're not interested in benefits at all, I assume you'll be sending every penny of your pension straight back to the exchequer? And you better not have any children either, otherwise you're clearly a dirty scrounger.

[Rincewind]

Lamby if you are still employed by them you should be receiving a payslip whether you earn or not. This is for tax and NI purposes. although I suspect your contribution in this area would be zero for the period where you do not earn.

Are you looking for a job where you can be guaranteed more hours. I think I said back in December when the place was having regular events that at some point there would be a quiet period where you would not be needed unless they thought you a valuable part of the team. Can you not find some part time bar work to make up the shortfall in earnings, You live with your parents so your needs would not be as much as others that have rent, mortgage and utility bills to pay.

Others. The 'free' money is there as a safety net to prevent people from suffering and is available to all if needed. It comes out of a pot that is put aside for this purpose which is a different pot that tax goes into. Lamby is lucky he lives with his parents otherwise he would be on the streets by now. Of course the ideal situation for Lamby would be to get a 'proper job' but sometimes as well as the 'get off your arse and look' factor it can also take motivation, encouragement,confidence and self esteem which it seems needs boosting for Lamby ATM.

[Haydos]

Surely someone with zero commitments (No rent/bills, children, car, etc) can find a 20+ hours a week min wage job somewhere in or around london?

[PAPA LAZAROU]

Yeah, why don't we just let the poor die like the good old days...

The point of benefits is to work as a welfare state, where the state plays the role of protector of its citizens - the entire point of having a government in the first place. But if you're not interested in benefits at all, I assume you'll be sending every penny of your pension straight back to the exchequer? And you better not have any children either, otherwise you're clearly a dirty scrounger.

 

Yes I take you point but why give benefits for doing nothing ? Anywhere else in the world do that ? If you can't get a job and are fit and able you should have to do community work for your benefits , why should that be objected to ?

 

 

And your point about pensions is null and void , it is not a benefit it is what anyone who has paid a working life time into the system gets back at the agreed time of retirement.

[yorkie1999]

     I know a job that's going. Just went outside  to get a cob and a sausage roll from the cob van who goes round all the businesses in my area, and the guy who owns the company was driving, so i says where's the other guy (who normally drives) , he says he had to let him go because he had problems natter natter natter. Any way he says its hard to get reliable staff natter natter natter.

    So I suspect there's a job going.  I'll get the phone number if anyone wants it. 

[The Doctor]

Yes I take you point but why give benefits for doing nothing ? Anywhere else in the world do that ? If you can't get a job and are fit and able you should have to do community work for your benefits , why should that be objected to ?

 

 

And your point about pensions is null and void , it is not a benefit it is what anyone who has paid a working life time into the system gets back at the agreed time of retirement.

 

Pretty much every civilised country - because we don't live in a world where work or starve are the two options. If there's work to be done, why not make that a permanent job and actually create jobs for people, rather than using them and throwing them aside?

 

No, it isn't - the largest chunk of Britains benefits bill is pensions at just shy of 75bn - 47% of the entire welfare budget. Still, you're just a typical right-winger, oblivious to reality and ignorant of what benefits actually are. 

[Rincewind]

We seem to have gone off topic. Thats FoxxesTalk for you.

[Haydos]

Does anyone have an argument for me about why unemployed people shouldn't be made to do 20 hours community service or whatever per week to earn their benefits?

 

I hear some people say "because it's lower than min wage" and things like that but a) It is only 20 hours, get over it. b) it's a BENEFIT not a right. A position would be created for you to do some work.

So, can anyone change my mind?

 

 

EDIT: Genuinely curious, not just trying to provoke a reaction n shiz

 

 

We seem to have gone off topic. Thats FoxxesTalk for you.

 

You have created a very limited thread, what do you expect? Do you want 50 posts just saying how rubbish the government and the job centre is?

[Lamby]

Does anyone have an argument for me about why unemployed people shouldn't be made to do 20 hours community service or whatever per week to earn their benefits?

 

I hear some people say "because it's lower than min wage" and things like that but a) It is only 20 hours, get over it. b) it's a BENEFIT not a right. A position would be created for you to do some work.

So, can anyone change my mind?

 

 

EDIT: Genuinely curious, not just trying to provoke a reaction n shiz

 

It's basically slave labour

 

[Rincewind]

I have no problem with community or volunteer work if it is not mandatory. it is big firms shops etc cashing in on the labour instead of employing the same people and paying them a wage. Volunteer work can lead to jobs and training schemes give credits which is good.

[The Doctor]

Does anyone have an argument for me about why unemployed people shouldn't be made to do 20 hours community service or whatever per week to earn their benefits?

 

I hear some people say "because it's lower than min wage" and things like that but a) It is only 20 hours, get over it. b) it's a BENEFIT not a right. A position would be created for you to do some work.

So, can anyone change my mind?

 

 

EDIT: Genuinely curious, not just trying to provoke a reaction n shiz

 

 

 

You have created a very limited thread, what do you expect? Do you want 50 posts just saying how rubbish the government and the job centre is?

 

I'd argue if the works there to be done, we should be using it to generate jobs (not sure of the stats here, but in America there's 3 unemployed for every vacancy), rather than just leaving it as more unemployed than jobs available and just shunting people from place to place for a pittance.

[Haydos]

It's basically slave labour

 

 

I'm not sure what the video is as I'm at work and can't view it.

 

20 hour a week 'slave labour', doesn't sound so bad

 

I mean government created roles or training, not something that can be exploited by companies wanting cheap labour. I'm talking 20 hours a week to stop you sitting on your arse doing nothing and actually making you be productive.

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

20 hours slave labour will do you better than sitting around masterbating all day and eating crisps for breakfast

[cambridgefox]

Does anyone have an argument for me about why unemployed people shouldn't be made to do 20 hours community service or whatever per week to earn their benefits?

 

I hear some people say "because it's lower than min wage" and things like that but a) It is only 20 hours, get over it. b) it's a BENEFIT not a right. A position would be created for you to do some work.

So, can anyone change my mind?

 

 

EDIT: Genuinely curious, not just trying to provoke a reaction n shiz

 

 

 

You have created a very limited thread, what do you expect? Do you want 50 posts just saying how rubbish the government and the job centre is?

No objections at all.

1/ pride in yourself to work

2/looks better on your CV

3/work ethics/ too easy to become a couch potato

[Haydos]

I'd argue if the works there to be done, we should be using it to generate jobs (not sure of the stats here, but in America there's 3 unemployed for every vacancy), rather than just leaving it as more unemployed than jobs available and just shunting people from place to place for a pittance.

 

I agree but often there's work available that isn't necessary. I'm sure there's lots of roles that could do with support or apprentice type positions, things like that.

[Captain...]

Does anyone have an argument for me about why unemployed people shouldn't be made to do 20 hours community service or whatever per week to earn their benefits?

 

I hear some people say "because it's lower than min wage" and things like that but a) It is only 20 hours, get over it. b) it's a BENEFIT not a right. A position would be created for you to do some work.

So, can anyone change my mind?

 

 

EDIT: Genuinely curious, not just trying to provoke a reaction n shiz

 

If done properly then no, but most likely it will be the usual half arsed execution, where big businesses exploit any free labour at the expense of actual paying people to do the job.

 

In my opinion the job centre should run like an employment agency, and they don't pay benefits as such, but a retainer to cover you when you aren't working but when you are you get properly paid for it.

 

At the moment it is an overly bureaucratic inefficient and highly ineffective way of giving people money for nothing, and the governments approach to solve this problem has been to manipulate the figures get people off benefits with 0 hour contracts and sanctions rather than creating more jobs and actually helping unemployed people find jobs and not punishing those on benefits who are don't jump through the correct hoop.