Some Stupid Benefit Sanctions

[Vardinhio]

I'd quit trying to get office work if I were you. Know your limits. You're thick as ****, kid.

Stop being lazy cvnt and start applying for warehouse work, labouring, jobs on the bins (pays more than you'd think) etc. Your lack of social graces would be irrelevant, as is the fact you're a hideous little chode.

You might even burn off a few calories while you're at it which certainly wouldn't hurt you.

 

wow, personal attacks on strangers across an internet forum now? low.

 

Lamby you need to make positive changes to achieve what you want. You alone can do this. If not then look forward to a lifetime on benefits where life and getting any work will just get more difficult as you get older, ache more and tire more quickly. You will end up living in a council bedsit/flat near some less than desirable members of society. If you don't mind this then fair enough.

 

Have you considered working in a calls incoming call centre? Most big freight carriers and transport companies ie TNT, DHL etc take staff on and many build careers there. All you need to be able to do is be polite, listen carefully and process basic information. You'll probably be most successful getting such work from a local temping agency having passed some basic english and numeracy tests. If you can make a decent impression they may take you on full time.

 

As for a career, you make your own career which is essentially a numer of different jobs. Your career has already began, it's just that wiping body fluids off bars at a brothel isn't a great start.

[RowlattsFox]

I work closely with the job centre and hear arguments and complaints on a daily basis.

I do understand some of the complaints at times but I feel they are easy to avoid.

Do what you're told and you won't get sanctioned, it's not hard to play the game. If you can't prove your looking for work over a two week period then you are clearly not trying to, or sometimes not documenting it how you are supposed to.

It's not always that black and white of course, but generally you can avoid being sanctioned if you do what you're told.

There may be aspects you don't agree with but that's the same in everything. You just get on with it.

[Haydos]

I work closely with the job centre and hear arguments and complaints on a daily basis.

I do understand some of the complaints at times but I feel they are easy to avoid.

Do what you're told and you won't get sanctioned, it's not hard to play the game. If you can't prove your looking for work over a two week period then you are clearly not trying to, or sometimes not documenting it how you are supposed to.

It's not always that black and white of course, but generally you can avoid being sanctioned if you do what you're told.

There may be aspects you don't agree with but that's the same in everything. You just get on with it.

 

This sums things up re: job centre better than I have. I'm not defending the system, just that 99% of the time it's easy to follow their instructions and get paid.

[kingfox]

I am a glorified cleaner in a private hire venue.

 

You clean people's spunk off the floor for a living

 

[The Doctor]

wow, personal attacks on strangers across an internet forum now? low.

 

Lamby you need to make positive changes to achieve what you want. You alone can do this. If not then look forward to a lifetime on benefits where life and getting any work will just get more difficult as you get older, ache more and tire more quickly. You will end up living in a council bedsit/flat near some less than desirable members of society. If you don't mind this then fair enough.

 

Have you considered working in a calls incoming call centre? Most big freight carriers and transport companies ie TNT, DHL etc take staff on and many build careers there. All you need to be able to do is be polite, listen carefully and process basic information. You'll probably be most successful getting such work from a local temping agency having passed some basic english and numeracy tests. If you can make a decent impression they may take you on full time.

 

As for a career, you make your own career which is essentially a numer of different jobs. Your career has already began, it's just that wiping body fluids off bars at a brothel isn't a great start.

 

let's be honest - it's Lamby: he's been given all this advice and more repeatedly on here, but he ignores it all and acts like an entitled brat, and that he should be able to do whatever he likes and expect a career to fall into his lap. It's no surprise people are getting fed up of it.

[Vardinhio]

I know what you're saying but not all people have the same aptitude, gumption, intellect and background when it comes to job hunting. We don't know much about Lamby's circs. For all we know Lamby comes from a background where working full time etc is not the norm.

 

This is no excuse for Lamby by the way, I'm just saying that what is normal to me and you may not be to him. Wiping spunk off a stage twice a week might keep him happy.

 

Lamby now is probably the time to do something about your work situation or keep quiet about it.

[Voll Blau]

You clean people's spunk off the floor for a living

 

 

Whereas you just do it for fun.

 

 

Folks in glass houses an' all that.

[kingfox]

Whereas you just do it for fun.

 

 

Folks in glass houses an' all that.

 

Nope my dog licks it up.

[MikeyT]

Basically it's all about making people do work in order to receive their weekly payment, how is that not slave labour?

 

I've just done around 15 hours work over the weekend for about £95 of pay, some weeks I would be better off claiming the full amount of JSA.

 

However I do have a job interview on Thursday so we'll so how that goes.

I do 37.5 hours a week on an apprenticeship for £21 a day. So basically £105 per week. I would rather do that any day of the week than claim benefits of which I unfortunately had to do for 10 months before getting this apprenticeship, which by the way in some cases is extremely physically demanding. Gets you out of the house, away from the jobcentre, an aim every day, money in your pocket (albeit not much but still more than JSA and you can get working tax credits probably to top up your earnings), training, pride, and hopefully a job at the end of the the contract. 

You mentioned about slave labour, but suck it up mate and get out of that job centre permanently and just try and go for anything and don't be picky. Plus It's a cliché ,but once in a job you will have more chance of getting another job and preferably one you want. 

[FoxesAreBlue]

I wish people would stop giving the little scrote any encouragement and advice, we've all tried before and he won't listen. He expects it all handed to him on a plate and nothing we say will change his mind. I imaging all the attention we give him makes him feel important. I'm aware that I'm now contributing to that. I know I didn't want too but I can't help it.

[lavrentis]

Agree, **** him.

 

He loves the attention

[Rincewind]

Had some people in today that help people into work. One was from a scheme which consists of taking on ex-offenders which can (include the ones fined for not paying TV license ) Any kind of conviction makes less likely to find a job if a CRB check is needed.

They also take young people leaving care homes. They offer a two week course, They have a mentor with them and if they get a good report from the mentor they will get a reference for their CV or be first on the list for jobs when they come up.

Another bloke was from a place up Magna Park and offers training.

There was alsp a young girl from VAL. Looking through the folder she had brought i noticed that there was a volunteer admin post which would have been ideal for Lamby if he was in Leeicester. With the enviroment he works in ATm he would fit in well at the Gay and Lesbian Centre/

There must be similar places in London. Val offers all sort of volunteer work from gardening to care workers to office work.

I think the first one is a group called Leicester Cares. They are hoping to expand further afield including London.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

You do know that National Insurance also goes towards job seekers allowance and incapacity benefit?

 

IT is insurance for when we can't earn a living for whatever reason.

 

Yeah some people get more out than put in, but that is the nature of insurance, You don't call someone a scrounger if they have contents insurance and get burgled the week after they take it out. Or car insurance and write off their car the day after.

 

 

Yes of course I do . I also understand that the money I pay for my car tax goes no where near the upkeep of the roads. All taxation works like that it all goes into one pot and is then used by the government.

 

 

So here's your insurance logic. You try getting insured for anything without paying a premium that's the real world. Insurance works on the idea that it is a pool of money paid in by customers and then dealt out if a claim is found to be genuine.  Now tell my why some low life who has never worked never paid anything into the system has the right to claim " benefits " ?  Exactly who is it " benefiting " you me or anyone else who works hard and pays weighty tax bills or the scrounging workshy idiots who's " right " it is to claim ?

 

No sorry that insurance theory just does not hold water.

[broughtonblue]

Remember an interview on tv a few years back when on holiday in the Isle of Wight....

Interviewer to young teenager- what do you want to do when you grow up?

Teen- nothing.

Int- where are you going to get money from then?

Teen- from the lady at the post office where dad gets his from.

That's what we are up against

[Captain...]

Yes of course I do . I also understand that the money I pay for my car tax goes no where near the upkeep of the roads. All taxation works like that it all goes into one pot and is then used by the government.

 

 

So here's your insurance logic. You try getting insured for anything without paying a premium that's the real world. Insurance works on the idea that it is a pool of money paid in by customers and then dealt out if a claim is found to be genuine.  Now tell my why some low life who has never worked never paid anything into the system has the right to claim " benefits " ?  Exactly who is it " benefiting " you me or anyone else who works hard and pays weighty tax bills or the scrounging workshy idiots who's " right " it is to claim ?

 

No sorry that insurance theory just does not hold water.

 

It does because of the bit I highlighted, I do not, never have done and never will advocate giving money to scrougers that play the system and have no intention of working. Benefits Fraud is the same as Insurance fraud and theft, and claiming benefits whilst making no attempt to find a job is not a genuine claim and so shouldn't be receiving benefits. If the job centre spent more time identifying true benefits cheats rather than sanctioning people for ticking the wrong box then we would be better off.

[Rincewind]

If anyone on here was sanctioned for any of those reasons they would soon change their minds. How would you feel if you called them up to say you had a job interview, rearranged the appointment then told attending a job interview was not a good enough reason? These are not isolated cases. Many are going or have been through appeals and won. You can pick holes in them and if you cannot find a valid reason then just say its left wing media lies. Easy solution. In fact the stories come from a varidt of sources including the Mail.

Surely there can not be 100% of those cases valid reasons.  What about the bloke who was put on ESA because of a hear attack. He collapsed with a heart attack at an interview and was sanctioned for not completing it. Would it be valid if he had died?

[ADK]

I'll be honest, I didn't find it too hard to avoid sanctions when I had to claim. It probably varies based on who you get as pa/wc or whatever they want to call them next.

[Rincewind]

Yes but now they have targets. A sanctioned person goes off the unemployment list as do those doing Workshare. Employment goes up.

Job centre staff are now complaining about the pressure they are under in reaching targets. Documents have been disclosed showing the guidelines.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

It does because of the bit I highlighted, I do not, never have done and never will advocate giving money to scrougers that play the system and have no intention of working. Benefits Fraud is the same as Insurance fraud and theft, and claiming benefits whilst making no attempt to find a job is not a genuine claim and so shouldn't be receiving benefits. If the job centre spent more time identifying true benefits cheats rather than sanctioning people for ticking the wrong box then we would be better off.

 

Fair enough Captain. It seems we agree at least on the core issues.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

Yes but now they have targets. A sanctioned person goes off the unemployment list as do those doing Workshare. Employment goes up.

Job centre staff are now complaining about the pressure they are under in reaching targets. Documents have been disclosed showing the guidelines.

 

But rince their job is no different to anyone else. The reality is that we all have to reach targets . If I don't do my job to the letter I get the bollacking  not the customer. It's the modern world I'm afraid and of course Benefits are a hot potato as far as the public is concerned. 

 

Lets face it if you are unemployed you should have enough time to follow the guide lines and if you don't understand them make sure you ask and comply. If you are not capable of doing even that then who the hell is going to employ you ?

[leicesterlad1989]

Towards the end of my apprenticeship in Electrical Engineering I was unfortunately made redundant and only came out with part of my qualification. I ended up falling into work pretty much straight the way as a sub-contractor but that didn't last long. Good pay gave me tunnel vision and I couldn't care less about the fact I hadn't completed my qualifiction.

 

Work eventually dried up and I had to sign on. Due to my pride I HAD to get a job. I took on literally anything. After my first shift with an agency (packing bloody boxes), my dad came to pick me up due to not being able to afford to run my car and I just sat there and cried. I just continued to work though, as signing on wasn't an option.  

 

One day the agency offered me a job in a warehouse and at the end of the 6 week contract a fulltime contract would be offered if I impressed. Again I worked hard and was offered the job in the warehouse. Fast forward 4 years and a few promotions and I am now completing my HNC in Eelectrical & Mechanical Engineering, looking to start my HND and working in the Technical department of the same company.

 

You could say I've had a bit of luck but due to my pride I continued to work so I didn't have to sign on. It's a shame that not everyone has the same attitude. Most careers are earnt and don't just fall on your lap.

 

Ironically, if I don't stop this post I will be back out of work as I've done F - all for the last half hour. Good day.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Yes I take you point but why give benefits for doing nothing ? Anywhere else in the world do that ? If you can't get a job and are fit and able you should have to do community work for your benefits , why should that be objected to ?

 

 

And your point about pensions is null and void , it is not a benefit it is what anyone who has paid a working life time into the system gets back at the agreed time of retirement.

I 100% agree with this post. By all means give benefit, where required, but in return, earn it, and not scrounge it

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Are you studying in your spare time?  Volunteering?  You can develop skills in ways other than paid employment.

Ah! I was just going to post this. It's a good idea, and shows desire.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

Towards the end of my apprenticeship in Electrical Engineering I was unfortunately made redundant and only came out with part of my qualification. I ended up falling into work pretty much straight the way as a sub-contractor but that didn't last long. Good pay gave me tunnel vision and I couldn't care less about the fact I hadn't completed my qualifiction.

 

Work eventually dried up and I had to sign on. Due to my pride I HAD to get a job. I took on literally anything. After my first shift with an agency (packing bloody boxes), my dad came to pick me up due to not being able to afford to run my car and I just sat there and cried. I just continued to work though, as signing on wasn't an option.  

 

One day the agency offered me a job in a warehouse and at the end of the 6 week contract a fulltime contract would be offered if I impressed. Again I worked hard and was offered the job in the warehouse. Fast forward 4 years and a few promotions and I am now completing my HNC in Eelectrical & Mechanical Engineering, looking to start my HND and working in the Technical department of the same company.

 

You could say I've had a bit of luck but due to my pride I continued to work so I didn't have to sign on. It's a shame that not everyone has the same attitude. Most careers are earnt and don't just fall on your lap.

 

Ironically, if I don't stop this post I will be back out of work as I've done F - all for the last half hour. Good day.

 

Lad that wasn't pride that was your work ethic no doubt instilled by your mam and Dad. Any employer will pick up quick on an employee be it agency or not. Show determination a willing to learn . punctuality and that you will be an asset and you will get noticed. I have and still do employ on that basis.

[Rincewind]

But rince their job is no different to anyone else. The reality is that we all have to reach targets . If I don't do my job to the letter I get the bollacking  not the customer. It's the modern world I'm afraid and of course Benefits are a hot potato as far as the public is concerned. 

 

Lets face it if you are unemployed you should have enough time to follow the guide lines and if you don't understand them make sure you ask and comply. If you are not capable of doing even that then who the hell is going to employ you ?

And if you are in hospital or dead?

 

Both the DWP and IDS have denied that targets were in place putting it down to ;trouble making left wingers' Now the forms  with the directions have come to light. That list is not on about those that miss an appointment because they could not be bothered to go or those who do nothing to look for work. They are people who have generally made an effort even finding a job with a starting date in one instance, Another had a close relative die and called to rearrange another time accepted then sanctioned for not turning up for the first one.

There is no warning and often the claimant is left with next to nothing to live on for up to 12 weeks, Housing benefit is stopped they fall behind with bills as well as trying to feed a family. All because of some silly mistake. Someone was told going to a job interview was not a good enough reason. Another who did not have a printer was asked for access to their personal Email address.

Would you allow a stranger access to your private email?

I agree with the last line so why are people with mental problems severe disabilities being passed fit to work>

Would you want to work in an office with someone with sanitary problems who need the loo every hour? Would you be prepared to push them to the loo in their wheelchair then wipe their arse after? No?  I thought not. They may be able to hobble the required 20m and raise an arm to be passed fit by ATOS but they judge on half hour test not over years like GP's.

I agree there are a few that take the piss and they shoul be weeded out but there are many genuine people being used as scapegoats because the ones they ought to punish are so cunning. When a pride of lions attack zebras they always go for the weakest first.