Rincewind Posted 11 August 2014 Author Posted 11 August 2014 OK its the Guardian (only paper to print it?) But it seems a fair report. Job Centres do need a revamp. They are depressing places. If you go somewhere like Apex the staff are friendly and helpful and actually try and find the kind of job best suited to you. I don;t think anyone can deny that is a good way to operate a place where one goes to seek help in finding a job. http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2014/aug/11/jobcentre-plus-dwp-long-term-work-social-enterprise
Guest MattP Posted 11 August 2014 Posted 11 August 2014 I think we should dress all the staff as Elmo. Would cheer all the job seekers up looking for work and the junkies would probably walk back out straight away thinking they are already far too high for this shit. What about a tax payer funded clown to entertain the virtuous while they wait for their free money. .sorry wages? Maybe a left wing magician or transgender comedian to do the mid morning slot? Poetry corner for the late comers?
Rincewind Posted 11 August 2014 Author Posted 11 August 2014 Did you read the part that said a third of jobseekers find work within 6 months? Just over a third (36%) of jobseekers find a job through a jobcentre within six months – and then manage to keep that job for longer than that Why do you assume those looking for work are all junkies alcoholics and scroungers? Many are workers who have been made redundant after being in work and paid taxes for most of their lives. Only a small percentage are long term unemployable good for nothings.. I think you have missed the point. Do you think helping people to find work is better than putting them off? Yes or No?. Why the left wing remarks? Take for example a recent report from right wing thinktank Policy Exchange. It recommends regressing the system to the pre-Blair era: separating the benefits assessment end of the jobcentre from the additional back to work services the modern Jobcentre Plus provides.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 11 August 2014 Posted 11 August 2014 Why do you assume those looking for work are all junkies alcoholics and scroungers? They're the ones who definitely aren't looking for work.
Rincewind Posted 11 August 2014 Author Posted 11 August 2014 They're the ones who definitely aren't looking for work. True that is what I said. I separated them from the majority who are genuine. To lump them all together is an insult to those who may have had a job for years paid NI and tax and been made redundant or left through ill health theirs or a partners.
potter3 Posted 11 August 2014 Posted 11 August 2014 Is it really that hard to find a job? I applied for about ten the first day I was looking. Got 3 positive responses in the first few days including a phone call the next day inviting me for a "chat", started working for them later that week. It's only warehousing, but a job's a job, right?
FoxesAreBlue Posted 11 August 2014 Posted 11 August 2014 Is it really that hard to find a job? I applied for about ten the first day I was looking. Got 3 positive responses in the first few days including a phone call the next day inviting me for a "chat", started working for them later that week. It's only warehousing, but a job's a job, right? Correct
Guest MattP Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Did you read the part that said a third of jobseekers find work within 6 months? Just over a third (36%) of jobseekers find a job through a jobcentre within six months – and then manage to keep that job for longer than that Why do you assume those looking for work are all junkies alcoholics and scroungers? Many are workers who have been made redundant after being in work and paid taxes for most of their lives. Only a small percentage are long term unemployable good for nothings.. I think you have missed the point. Do you think helping people to find work is better than putting them off? Yes or No?. Why the left wing remarks? Take for example a recent report from right wing thinktank Policy Exchange. It recommends regressing the system to the pre-Blair era: separating the benefits assessment end of the jobcentre from the additional back to work services the modern Jobcentre Plus provides. I didn't say that at all, I completely differentiated between those looking for work and spongers with an 'and'.
Ozwin Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 I remember when I first started looking for work, because you didn't hear back from anyone 90% of the time I started getting nervous when I'd send applications off. I don't know why, some Freudian needing to be loved mumbo jumbo probably, but I guess I can see why some people may put it off for longer than they initially thought they would. I'm applying now and I can still feel the same nervousness I did 5 years ago, it's odd but I'm glad I did it back then and made a positive step for my CV. I couldn't imagine being mid 20s and having zero experience, then you'd really have something to worry about.
Lionator Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 I went to university until last November when I had to drop out because of my mental health (topical). When I dropped out, I went job searching straight away and was put on ESA by the job centre. I managed to get quite a few interviews yet couldn't land a job. By March, I had to go for an interview to do with my ESA and within a week I'd be informed that it was to be immediately stopped because I could function normally and complete day to day activities (cooking, washing myself etc). Eventually in June I managed to get myself a job with absolutely no help from the job centre. Total sham of a system from top to the bottom that penalises people with mental health difficulties.
Rincewind Posted 12 August 2014 Author Posted 12 August 2014 I went to university until last November when I had to drop out because of my mental health (topical). When I dropped out, I went job searching straight away and was put on ESA by the job centre. I managed to get quite a few interviews yet couldn't land a job. By March, I had to go for an interview to do with my ESA and within a week I'd be informed that it was to be immediately stopped because I could function normally and complete day to day activities (cooking, washing myself etc). Eventually in June I managed to get myself a job with absolutely no help from the job centre. Total sham of a system from top to the bottom that penalises people with mental health difficulties. Been saying that all the time. Not all disabilities are visible.
Guest Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Been saying that all the time. Not all disabilities are visible. And not all disabilities are real.
Jimothy Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Are not all disabilities are real. Your spelling and numeracy skills are a visible disability.
Lamby Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Is it really that hard to find a job? I applied for about ten the first day I was looking. Got 3 positive responses in the first few days including a phone call the next day inviting me for a "chat", started working for them later that week. It's only warehousing, but a job's a job, right? Yes it is, especially in London. It's always experience needed for anything as they can't be arsed to train you up.
Rincewind Posted 12 August 2014 Author Posted 12 August 2014 Yes it is, especially in London. It's always experience needed for anything as they can't be arsed to train you up. Yes and no. It depends on the job I would think and your age. It is not worth their time to train someone if they are going to leave after a couple of years for another job with a rival or retire. That is why it is a good idea to enroll on an independent course or two when you can then you only need do an induction period. They prefer experience so you have to be very eager and extra enthusiastic to impress the interviewer and convincethem that you are far better than the other candidates. Not an easy task but you can do it Lamby i have confidence in you.
Lamby Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Yes and no. It depends on the job I would think and your age. It is not worth their time to train someone if they are going to leave after a couple of years for another job with a rival or retire. That is why it is a good idea to enroll on an independent course or two when you can then you only need do an induction period. They prefer experience so you have to be very eager and extra enthusiastic to impress the interviewer and convincethem that you are far better than the other candidates. Not an easy task but you can do it Lamby i have confidence in you. You're the only one that does!
Jimothy Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 You're the only one that does! What have you done to make any of us confident in you?
Lamby Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 What have you done to make any of us confident in you? Do I have to? I'm not even confident in myself. I'm coming up to 24 and I'm a ****ing cleaner in a nightclub with no hope of making a life for myself. Surely there's no comeback from that.
Guest Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Do I have to? I'm not even confident in myself. I'm coming up to 24 and I'm a ****ing cleaner in a nightclub with no hope of making a life for myself. Surely there's no comeback from that. We need cleaners. There will always be jobs. Stop complaining, accept what your skill set is and be happy with your lot.
Guest Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 We need cleaners. There will always be jobs. Stop complaining, accept what your skill set is and be happy with your lot. Or work hard and try to develop yourself but it requires commitment and effort on your part Lamby.
MooseBreath Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Your spelling and numeracy skills are a visible disability. lol
Guest Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 lol I've noticed that you've never used the black smilie. How extraordinary.
Merging Cultures Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Do I have to? I'm not even confident in myself. I'm coming up to 24 and I'm a ****ing cleaner in a nightclub with no hope of making a life for myself. Surely there's no comeback from that. Turn it into a business. From your current job figure out the best way to clean jizz and anal leakage off bar tops and start a commercial cleaning business that specialises in brothels, swingers clubs and gay bars.
Jimothy Posted 12 August 2014 Posted 12 August 2014 Do I have to? I'm not even confident in myself. I'm coming up to 24 and I'm a ****ing cleaner in a nightclub with no hope of making a life for myself. Surely there's no comeback from that. You don't have to do anything, but you come on here bitching and moaning about how shit your life is and how you can't get a decent job, but turn a blind eye to any decent advice you're given that might involve a little bit of effort from yourself. If you listened and made some positive changes, maybe you'd be more confident, and others would believe in you too.
Rincewind Posted 12 August 2014 Author Posted 12 August 2014 What have you done to make any of us confident in you? I was trying to boost his confidence. Its like if your five year old son is last in an egg and sponn race. You give them a hug and say well done. Not call them useless and kick them out the house. Well not unless they blame their loss on the egg.
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