Grandad. Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Europe. Thomas Bjorn Jamie Donaldson Victor Dubuisson Stephen Gallagher Sergio Garcia Martin Kaymer Graeme McDowell Rory McIlroy Ian Poulter Justin Rose Henrik Stenson Lee Westwood USA. Keegan Bradley (willy puller) Rickie Fowler Jim Furyk Zach Johnson Matt Kuchar Hunter Mahan Phil Mickelson Patrick Reed Webb Simpson Jordan Spieth Jimmy Walker Bubba Watson September 23rd-28th, Gleneagles. -- Anyone on here going?
Donut Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Wish i was going! sampled plenty of tour events and majors, but never the Ryder Cup which of course is a completely different atmosphere. Europe are favourites but to be honest, id give that US team a fair chance of the win, even without Dufner, Tiger and Dustin. The captains picks Watson has made have rounded into form nicely, and although id have probably opted for Ryan Moore over Simpson, i can see that perhaps having another rookie on board wouldnt have been desirable. Plus, Simpson partnered Bubba in fourball play at the last Ryder Cup and the two make a more natural partnership, even if Simpson is having a quiet-ish time this year. There are some interesting pairing potentials on both sides, although id probably just give the edge in singles play to the US again.
The Blur Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 I do not know golf quite well but how is pairings essential as basically each guys just need to play their natural game ie in fourballs so is it just a question of picking guys who get on with each other best or to play a tactical game and split up your best six guys with worst six guys in hope that the better player of that team will get the lowest score consistently?
foxoffderby Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Europe. Thomas Bjorn Jamie Donaldson Victor Dubuisson Stephen Gallagher Sergio Garcia Martin Kaymer Graeme McDowell Rory McIlroy Ian Poulter Justin Rose Henrik Stenson Lee Westwood USA. Keegan Bradley (willy puller) Rickie Fowler Jim Furyk Zach Johnson Matt Kuchar Hunter Mahan Phil Mickelson Patrick Reed Webb Simpson Jordan Spieth Jimmy Walker Bubba Watson September 23rd-28th, Gleneagles. -- Anyone on here going? That US side does not scare me
Grandad. Posted 4 September 2014 Author Posted 4 September 2014 But as we have seen in past Ryder Cups it isn't about the individual superstars! If Watson can get his pairings right then I think this will be a very close Ryder Cup, one that could go either way, can't see it being as memorable as Medinah but it will be close. What are the must pairings? McDowell and Rory. Poulter and Rose. Mickelson and Bradley/Fowler. Watson and Simpson.
AKCJ Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Very excited for this. Medinah was the best sporting television I think i've ever seen.
foxfanazer Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Can't wait for this. Love watching the golf
Strokes Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 The Ryder cup is a special event, can't wait for this. Going to miss luke donald but a strong European side that will take some beating.
Donut Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 But as we have seen in past Ryder Cups it isn't about the individual superstars! If Watson can get his pairings right then I think this will be a very close Ryder Cup, one that could go either way, can't see it being as memorable as Medinah but it will be close. What are the must pairings? McDowell and Rory. Poulter and Rose. Mickelson and Bradley/Fowler. Watson and Simpson. Those are solid pairings and ones youd expect. Quite like Westwood and Gallacher as a natual foursomes partnership. Premium on ball striking and i think that would work well in that format. Westwood with Garcia in the fourballs is proven.
Donut Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 I do not know golf quite well but how is pairings essential as basically each guys just need to play their natural game ie in fourballs so is it just a question of picking guys who get on with each other best or to play a tactical game and split up your best six guys with worst six guys in hope that the better player of that team will get the lowest score consistently? Its a combination of things really. Fourball play is about getting two balls in play and making birdies. So youre looking for guys who can run the tables and play aggressively. In an ideal world, your partner will pick you up on some holes and vice versa, and between you, youll shoot -7 or -8. Losing a hole to a par is a disaster. Foursomes play is more about putting two guys together whos game compliments each other. Playing alternate shot is NOT easy, believe me. When you hit odd tee shots, only have a putt every 4 holes possibly, then end up with a tricky chip for example, things can quickly get away from you. So youre looking at guys who gel well together, who know each others games well and whos styles suit each other. That way, theyre viewing the game through each others eyes and combining well as a partnership. Some partnerships lend themselves to both formats as well of course.
The Blur Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Its a combination of things really. Fourball play is about getting two balls in play and making birdies. So youre looking for guys who can run the tables and play aggressively. In an ideal world, your partner will pick you up and between you, youll shoot -7 or -8. Losing a hole to a par is a disaster. Foursomes play is more about putting two guys together whos game compliments each other. Playing alternate shot is NOT easy, believe me. When you hit odd tee shots, only have a putt every 4 holes possibly, then end up with a tricky chip for example, things can quickly get away from you. So youre looking at guys who gel well together, who know each others games well and whos styles suit each other. That way, theyre viewing the game through each others eyes and combining well as a partnership. Some partnerships lend themselves to both formats as well of course. Ah, I already understand the logic behind foursomes pairings but not fourball. I meant, logically Ryder Cup team largely picked itself on merit and guys will be on form so they are capable of making birdies etc so in theory, it should not matter who is with who as long they bring their A-game to the table?
lestajigs Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Not a fan of golf my self, but the Ryder cup always seems to have something else
Donut Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Ah, I already understand the logic behind foursomes pairings but not fourball. I meant, logically Ryder Cup team largely picked itself on merit and guys will be on form so they are capable of making birdies etc so in theory, it should not matter who is with who as long they bring their A-game to the table? Oh it does matter for sure. Woods and Mickelson as a pairing was a disaster for example, there have been others too. Youre right in that clearly every member on both teams can shoot 64 on their own ball on any given day. If you imagine fourball play, imagine the natural inclination of a player like Mickelson for example vs a typical "plodder". Mickelson will take on absolutely everything and will just freely blast away and set up as many chances as possible. He will look to hunt the pin down all day. Its that sort of play that you see in the fourballs......players looking to murder par 5s, go for broke and if the wheels come off on one hole, your partner will pick you up. Some players tend to "eek" out scores with careful, methodical play.
HowardsBulletHeader Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 I would like to see (willy puller) next to Patrick Reed too. 'Top 5 in the world', what a ****. I hope to see him play Rory in the singles and get dismantled 10&8, tosser.
The Blur Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Oh it does matter for sure. Woods and Mickelson as a pairing was a disaster for example, there have been others too. Youre right in that clearly every member on both teams can shoot 64 on their own ball on any given day. If you imagine fourball play, imagine the natural inclination of a player like Mickelson for example vs a typical "plodder". Mickelson will take on absolutely everything and will just freely blast away and set up as many chances as possible. He will look to hunt the pin down all day. Its that sort of play that you see in the fourballs......players looking to murder par 5s, go for broke and if the wheels come off on one hole, your partner will pick you up. Some players tend to "eek" out scores with careful, methodical play. Ahhh so you are looking for Tango/Cash scenario, one is a risk taker and the other is a safe guy unless if someone like Mickleson get annoyed by someone who plays it safe or the safe guy get too agitated by the risk taker-can that happen?
HowardsBulletHeader Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 I think you might see Bubba and Walker together, both long hitters. Walker is a more consistent putter, would be a good pairing. This might make McGinley think Stenson and Dubuisson who would be a good pair IMO. Dubuisson is sneaky long and has a good short game too, not a player to underestimate. If Stenson can find his game he's as good as Rory IMO and on his day can be better. Wouldn't expect to see a Johnson/Furyk, Kuchar/Johnson, Furyk/Kuchar pairing from the US. Would be too 'do a job', 'consistency' type IMO. Would probably expect US rookies to be with Kuchar and Furyk.
Donut Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Ahhh so you are looking for Tango/Cash scenario, one is a risk taker and the other is a safe guy unless if someone like Mickleson get annoyed by someone who plays it safe or the safe guy get too agitated by the risk taker-can that happen? Thats a definite posibility, its been used a lot in the past. you might see a scenario where two very good putters play together too, and try and use that to putt the course to death to make birdies. Fourball players are also useful if they can "get hot". By getting hot, i mean amidst some wayward play, a player can put together a string of birdies one after another and change the energy of a match or even in Ryder cups, the energy of the crowd.
The Blur Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Thats a definite posibility, its been used a lot in the past. you might see a scenario where two very good putters play together too, and try and use that to putt the course to death to make birdies. Fourball players are also useful if they can "get hot". By getting hot, i mean amidst some wayward play, a player can put together a string of birdies one after another and change the energy of a match or even in Ryder cups, the energy of the crowd. Ah cool. Fair play to you for bothering to explain it all to me!
HowardsBulletHeader Posted 4 September 2014 Posted 4 September 2014 Thats a definite posibility, its been used a lot in the past. you might see a scenario where two very good putters play together too, and try and use that to putt the course to death to make birdies. Fourball players are also useful if they can "get hot". By getting hot, i mean amidst some wayward play, a player can put together a string of birdies one after another and change the energy of a match or even in Ryder cups, the energy of the crowd. You mention putting- Kuchar and Spieth screams out to me as a good pairing for the US.
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