bovril Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 So we've had Reckless, Cash and Banks defect to UKIP?
digitalalba Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 Was it yesterday, a Tory doner left and is now a kipper, giving them £100,000. I've no time for ukip, as Farage is still a bankster, but the Tories are a desperate lot.
Webbo Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 So we've had Reckless, Cash and Banks defect to UKIP? *cough* Carswell.
bovril Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 *cough* Carswell. William Cash, apparently. I hadn't heard of him either.
Webbo Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 William Cash, apparently. I hadn't heard of him either. I've just googled him apparently it's MP Bill Cash's son.
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 William Cash, apparently. I hadn't heard of him either. Hague said the same and as a response Cash upped the donation from 100k to a million
ADK Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 I actually think UKIP have come out with some decent policies so I'm not as opposed to them as I was once.
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 I actually think UKIP have come out with some decent policies so I'm not as opposed to them as I was once. Certainly seems a bit of a shift to the left although I've not read the whole new policy terms or manifesto yet. Maybe they think they have hovered up all the Tories they are going to get now so are targeting the middle and Labour vote.
digitalalba Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 I actually think UKIP have come out with some decent policies so I'm not as opposed to them as I was once. What are they?
ADK Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 It's whether voting for them to indicate you support certain policies is a good thing or not. I'm pretty sure our constituency will always be Tory anyway.
ADK Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 What are they? To be fair they aren't actually policies but as close as UKIP get to policies, think it was the idea of different rates of VAT I liked.
digitalalba Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 The bookies claim that ukip will get approximately 3-6 seats at the general election.
digitalalba Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 They've always been a bit vague on polices, trying to make sure they don't give the impression they're the BNP in disguise, not Tory Mark2, or wishey washy http://www.ukip.org/issues
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 It's whether voting for them to indicate you support certain policies is a good thing or not. I'm pretty sure our constituency will always be Tory anyway. Good job. Areas ran by Labour are in the main quite hideous from personal experience.
Webbo Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 To be fair they aren't actually policies but as close as UKIP get to policies, think it was the idea of different rates of VAT I liked. They've disowned that idea already.
Spiritwalker Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 They've always been a bit vague on polices, trying to make sure they don't give the impression they're the BNP in disguise, not Tory Mark2, or wishey washy http://www.ukip.org/issuesThey've always been vague on polices because they don't have any, other than trying to divorce our largest trading partner. I consider them more of a pressure group than a political party. That said, they are probably one of the most successful pressure groups in history they have terrified a wannabe moderate Tory government into a sharp lurch to the right. It still baffles me how they get so many votes. I have never met a UKIP voter who wasn't either an extreme right wing Tory, a racist, or xenophobe.
Sir Fynwy Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 They've always been vague on polices because they don't have any, other than trying to divorce our largest trading partner. I consider them more of a pressure group than a political party. That said, they are probably one of the most successful pressure groups in history they have terrified a wannabe moderate Tory government into a sharp lurch to the right. It still baffles me how they get so many votes. I have never met a UKIP voter who wasn't either an extreme right wing Tory, a racist, or xenophobe. The U.S. tea party is a similar setup which had a brief period of massive popularity but is now losing the interest of voters, I expect UKIP to be a forgotten force within the next 5-10 years as it collapses under the competing ideas of the membership.
johnny the fox Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 They've always been vague on polices because they don't have any, other than trying to divorce our largest trading partner. I consider them more of a pressure group than a political party. That said, they are probably one of the most successful pressure groups in history they have terrified a wannabe moderate Tory government into a sharp lurch to the right. It still baffles me how they get so many votes. I have never met a UKIP voter who wasn't either an extreme right wing Tory, a racist, or xenophobe. you ain't met me then.. wanting to vote for a party who actually wants to run the country rather than sub letting the responsibility to europe don't make you racist or xenophobic... nowt to do with left or right.... ask alice gross's parents..
Spiritwalker Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 you ain't met me then.. wanting to vote for a party who actually wants to run the country rather than sub letting the responsibility to europe don't make you racist or xenophobic... nowt to do with left or right.... ask alice gross's parents.. You cannot run a country with only one policy.
johnny the fox Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 You cannot run a country with only one policy. Im sure if you were interested you could order the Ukip manifesto... that comment is just an easy throw away line..
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 The U.S. tea party is a similar setup which had a brief period of massive popularity but is now losing the interest of voters, I expect UKIP to be a forgotten force within the next 5-10 years as it collapses under the competing ideas of the membership. The tea party was around for a few months, UKIP has now won a national election and is attracting top notch mps and millionaire backers. People have predicting all sorts of nonsense about how they would go away for years, it's not happening. The usual parties are losing their touch and people don't hold the same loyalties to them these days. UKIP are clearly here to stay unless the Tories shift back to the right.
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 You cannot run a country with only one policy. This line has become so outdated Owen Jones has stopped using it. If you still think ukip is a one policy party you need to stop reading the Daily Mirror.
digitalalba Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 They've always been vague on polices because they don't have any, other than trying to divorce our largest trading partner. I consider them more of a pressure group than a political party. That said, they are probably one of the most successful pressure groups in history they have terrified a wannabe moderate Tory government into a sharp lurch to the right. It still baffles me how they get so many votes. I have never met a UKIP voter who wasn't either an extreme right wing Tory, a racist, or xenophobe. They don't have a policy to divorce anyone via trading. My god, even after all the hype about ukip, people still get that wrong. All they have done, is been fortunate enough to indirectly persuade the BBC to promote them because the BBC is staunchly Labour, and it helps to take votes off the BNP, the only genuine policy alternative to the old parties, although, the ukips membership could alter that. Everyone's a racist.
Spiritwalker Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 The tea party was around for a few months, UKIP has now won a national election and is attracting top notch mps and millionaire backers. People have predicting all sorts of nonsense about how they would go away for years, it's not happening. The usual parties are losing their touch and people don't hold the same loyalties to them these days. UKIP are clearly here to stay unless the Tories shift back to the right. By top notch MPs I take it you are referring to the maverick ones on the extreme fringes of the Tory party.
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 I was referring to Douglas Carswell who is and was widely regarded as a top MP. The fact he'll probably increase his majority in the Clacton by- election is a testament to what his constituents think of him.
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