Another tory defects to UKIP

[Strokes]

The worrying thing is that you are probably right.

A large proportion of our society is more concerned with leaving the EU and chucking out the foreigners than they are with saving

the planet.

Save the world, be a hero, vote green.

Still amazed by the by election results yesterday, nice to see the big three still don't understand why they are losing votes. Cameron is as patronising as hell, a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour. FÚCK OFF

[muzzycomeback]

Don't agree with UKIP's policies, but good to see someone giving the big three the kick up the arse they need!

[purpleronnie]

UKIP used to score quite well in Euro elections, they certainly got a few elected when Kilroy was in charge of the party but gaining numerous MP's has always been a pipe dream for any party apart from the big three with our current FPTP.

 

The greatest friend UKIP has in Britain is the left wing elite that seems to control the BBC and large swaths of the media, they hear Nigel Farage talk about immigration and they shudder and find it disgusting, they assume the rest of the country thinks like them so they give him a massive platform to shout it in the hope that people will despise him but they don't realise that large amounts of people actually think exactly what he is thinking and they come from all sides of the political spectrum.

 

The reality is UKIP are far more in touch with the country than the guardian reading liberal elite are. I guarantee they'll still be people inside the BBC today not understanding people are voting UKIP.

 

If the Greens wanted to do this they would need to become far more mainstream as well, as I've said before, people enjoy driving a car to work, they enjoy having a hot bath, vast parts of the country are certainly not prepared to live as vegetarians or adhere to a nationwide 20mph speed limit, when you actually break down their policies they aren't 'liberal' at all, they would turn all our lives into The Truman Show.

I agree to a certain extent, the best PR UKIP have received is from other parties ignorance and poor spin.  A bit like the YES campaign in scotland, the No campaign was so poorly run that the YES party barely had to do anything but count their new voters. 

The Lib dem's somehow agreed to debate Farage, every single person apart from Clegg could see it was going to be a disastrous decision.

 

It never fails to amaze me how stupid political parties can be. 

 

We are an odd breed when it comes to voting. People would vote for one party in protest against their own beliefs even though it risks their own party losing.  The band wagon jumpingjon a political party just because it's the 'new thing' to do.  People with little knowledge about the EU or immigration automatically believing that only bad things come from abroad.  I find UKIP's surge in popularity incredibly sad, but I understand why it's happend.

[JimmyK]

UKIP used to score quite well in Euro elections, they certainly got a few elected when Kilroy was in charge of the party but gaining numerous MP's has always been a pipe dream for any party apart from the big three with our current FPTP.

 

Kilroy was never in charge of the party, he threw a hissy fit and founded Veritas when no-one supported him. Worked out well

[Rincewind]

Save the world, be a hero, vote green.

Still amazed by the by election results yesterday, nice to see the big three still don't understand why they are losing votes. Cameron is as patronising as hell, a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour. FÚCK OFF

I had an Email off Shnapp or whatever his name is saying the same thing. Not replied of course.

[Rincewind]

 

Paul Morgan ‏@plmrgn 5h5 hours ago

Fella from Clacton on the radio then, "I voted UKIP because I haven't seen my MP since the last election!" Hate to break it to ya, pal...

[ADK]

UKIP is such a crap party really but symptomatic of the failure of the British political system.

[johnny the fox]

The Labour elite patronise their core support , think they know better than the plebs who vote for them, .. the Tories first instinct is look after the establish order of things...ie: conservative , the clue is in the name..  well the Libs... fook me , off with the fairies..  Im giving UKIP a chance to fail, the old parties have demonstrated they are experts at it.

[MooseBreath]

The Labour elite patronise their core support , think they know better than the plebs who vote for them, .. the Tories first instinct is look after the establish order of things...ie: conservative , the clue is in the name.. well the Libs... fook me , off with the fairies.. Im giving UKIP a chance to fail, the old parties have demonstrated they are experts at it.

How have the tories failed this term, in your opinion?

[Mark_w]

The 10,000th wake up call for the main parities.. and westminster.. they STILL don't get it..

 

I think they get that a decent chunk of the electorate are morons, UKIP's surge in popularity has made that pretty clear.

[Rincewind]

How have the tories failed this term, in your opinion?

[Harry - LCFC]

I think they get that a decent chunk of the electorate are morons, UKIP's surge in popularity has made that pretty clear.

 

I'd say unhappy, rather than moronic.

 

That said I do question whether some people have really thought their decision through. Why is it that Labour voters are now going UKIP, a fairly free market party? I suspect they're doing so based on one or two issues alone rather than what they stand for in full.

[MooseBreath]

Could you maybe expand on that a bit?

I asked the same question to someone else the other day and didn't get a reply. Seems that a lot of people feel unhappy with the state of politics in this country, but can't even begin to explain why.

I can't help but think that these people are expecting a bit too much from the government. No party is ever going to come in and shower you with riches or instantly change your life for the better. It's always going to be 100% up to you to make your life what you want it to be, regardless of who is in power.

[MooseBreath]

I'd say unhappy, rather than moronic.

That said I do question whether some people have really thought their decision through. Why is it that Labour voters are now going UKIP, a fairly free market party? I suspect they're doing so based on one or two issues alone rather than what they stand for in full.

From what I've seen, if you count their whole EU/immigration agenda as one policy, they only have about five policies in total. It's unbelievable that people are pledging allegiance to UKIP for the GE before knowing more than a fraction of what they intend to actually do should they get into power.

[Guest Kopfkino]

the Tories first instinct is look after the establish order of things...ie: conservative , the clue is in the name.. .

I struggle to see this argument against the Tories, if you want to succeed and get somewhere then they will help you do that. I also hate the argument that they're all private school elite and they just want to look after their pals. That is not the case and for some reason people expect to have such fortunes just placed at their feet too.

You can all say that I'm naive and just a kid so I don't have a clue but at the age of 18, I see the Tories as a party that will help me get somewhere if I really want to and make the effort to. I mean the obvious one is the help to get on the property ladder at a younger age so that I can start building wealth. And it's not just the clever kids that they'll help, their drive to get people into apprenticeships is helpful for numerous people who want to do something useful. Someone I know that wasn't the brightest at school but was always willing, got an apprenticeship at 16 as an electrician. He's earning a nice sum now considering he is 18, he's learnt a good profession and he's traveling all over the UK and parts of Europe with it too. Another person has done the same but in IT. On the otherhand I know plenty of people that went to sixth form, did BTECs and silly subjects, saw it as a free doss for two years and are struggling to find anything to do now and they seem to be expecting something to just fall at their feet. If you have a clear vision and you want something, the Tories will help. But the problem is that too many people expect it to just be made easy for the, to be given everything but that is not how it should work.

I won't pretend that the Tories are perfect because they are not. Gove has made a hash of education but at least he tried to reform it because it needs it after Blair. I don't even have a problem with the increase in tuition fees, in fact I'd blame it on Labour's drive to send every tom, dick and harry to uni I just see it as the Tories will give me a helping hand up whereas labour will only strive to bring everyone down to the same level rather move everyone up because that's easier. Maybe it's easy for me to say when I had a stable upbringing and had the gift of some intelligence but I really do worry for my post uni prospects if Milliband gets in.

[Strokes]

From what I've seen, if you count their whole EU/immigration agenda as one policy, they only have about five policies in total. It's unbelievable that people are pledging allegiance to UKIP for the GE before knowing more than a fraction of what they intend to actually do should they get into power.

Not really moose, being part of the EU waters down our vote dramatically anyway. Voting for independence, would make your vote count for more in the future.

I am voting for UKIP for two reasons, one because I don't believe in a political union with the whole of Europe. 2 as a protest vote to the Tories as they don't represent my views as well as they have done.

There is still time for the Tories to win my vote but it won't happen as they can't understand why they have lost it.

UKIP voters getting called morons or racists won't make us disappear, its what unites us. Farage has given us a voice but you still aren't listening.

[Buce]

Not really moose, being part of the EU waters down our vote dramatically anyway. Voting for independence, would make your vote count for more in the future.

I am voting for UKIP for two reasons, one because I don't believe in a political union with the whole of Europe. 2 as a protest vote to the Tories as they don't represent my views as well as they have done.

There is still time for the Tories to win my vote but it won't happen as they can't understand why they have lost it.

UKIP voters getting called morons or racists won't make us disappear, its what unites us. Farage has given us a voice but you still aren't listening.

Why have the Tories lost your vote, Strokes? In which ways have they disappointed you?

[lavrentis]

Amazing how some people on here are still so anti UKIP, it aint 2009 anymore.

[Strokes]

Why have the Tories lost your vote, Strokes? In which ways have they disappointed you?

They have failed in many ways, electoral reform? What happend there, they couldnt agree with the libdems so forget it. The deficit, they didnt go far enough into austerity for me and i wont even go into devo max but most of all its the pathetic 'promise of a referendum' on the EU, if Cameron doesnt negotiate some sort of reform on the EU. Its so vague its ridiculous, we all know he wont give it , its not the first time he has promised it either.

If they want my vote, they would have to promise a referendum and also promise to campaign for an exit.

[Webbo]

Amazing how some people on here are still so anti UKIP, it aint 2009 anymore.

I'm not anti UKIP just pro Tory and I'm worried that if we split the anti Labour vote they'll get in at the next election.

[lavrentis]

I'm not anti UKIP just pro Tory and I'm worried that if we split the anti Labour vote they'll get in at the next election.

 

Load of rubbish that is.

 

A vote for the Tories is a wasted vote anyway.

 

Vote UKIP, get UKIP.

[Webbo]

Load of rubbish that is.

 

A vote for the Tories is a wasted vote anyway.

 

Vote UKIP, get UKIP.

Do you honestly think they'll win the next election?

[Strokes]

Do you honestly think they'll win the next election?

No but they could easily do a deal whereby they withdraw candidates where the other has a better chance against labour. UKIP could have 2 MP if such a deal was in place and the Tories would have lost no ground.

[Strokes]

In the north of England Ukip should pen the slogan ' vote Tory, get labour'.

[Webbo]

No but they could easily do a deal whereby they withdraw candidates where the other has a better chance against labour. UKIP could have 2 MP if such a deal was in place and the Tories would have lost no ground.

That's not going to happen but I hope that Tory/ukip voters use their vote tactically.