DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 The UkIP voters that I know (including my dad) are working class, fairly uninterested in general politics, and have a dislike for foreigners. When I try to explain to my dad that some UKIP policies may not be in his best interests, he says he doesn't care as long the French and Germans are no longer running the country. Who the f--k wants the cnvting German scum, and the wet, dozy French telling us what we can, or cannot do? Only morons, of course. We fought two wars for our freedom in recent times, and it is an affront to those who died, to be lap dogs. It goes way beyond that though, and they will bring a breath of fresh air to this decaying country, when the only opposition to the Tories, are a retarded, inept, pathetic bunch of scum bags, called the Labour party. Be warned, UKIP are coming to revitalize politics, and clean up the mess this country is now in.
Buce Posted 11 October 2014 Author Posted 11 October 2014 Who the f--k wants the cnvting German scum, and the wet, dozy French telling us what we can, or cannot do? Only morons, of course. We fought two wars for our freedom in recent times, and it is an affront to those who died, to be lap dogs. It goes way beyond that though, and they will bring a breath of fresh air to this decaying country, when the only opposition to the Tories, are a retarded, inept, pathetic bunch of scum bags, called the Labour party. Be warned, UKIP are coming to revitalize politics, and clean up the mess this country is now in. I'm curious: what freedoms were we fighting to protect in WW1?
FoxyPV Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 The freedom from other people trying to impinge on UK empire
Buce Posted 11 October 2014 Author Posted 11 October 2014 The freedom from other people trying to impinge on UK empire Maybe you shouldn't have skipped your history classes..
FoxyPV Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 British interests were threatened in the Middle East by the Austro Hungarian empire But it was a tongue in cheek answer. I should have went with Blackadder goes forth
Buce Posted 11 October 2014 Author Posted 11 October 2014 British interests were threatened in the Middle East by the Austro Hungarian empire But it was a tongue in cheek answer. I should have went with Blackadder goes forth Did you skip English too?
johnny the fox Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 An alternative that UKIP won't provide. They're proposing no serious changes to our economy other than a reduction in those things that we know help the economy grow, namely immigration and investment in large infrastructure. On immigration I'm certainly not in favour of a free for all, but I do recognise the benefits of well controlled importation of certain skills. Flooding the lower skill market has been proven to drive down wages, and that should stop. Importation of incompatible cultures causes social conflict and that should stop, as should the grouping together of large numbers of immigrants in certain areas which places excessive pressure on local services. Immediately withdrawing from the EU won't solve existing problems and it won't stem the tide of non-EU migrants, and it's they who are responsible for most of the issues. A better idea would be to seek better terms to our status in the EU and then take it to a referendum, while making it harder for unskilled non-EU migrants to come here for work. The point is there are NO controls.. who says immigration helps the economy grow? throw away statement with no evidence. changing one of the four corner stones of the EU ..ie the free movement of people is NOT going to happen,... fact. Cameron has already given away our position by saying no matter what deal he gets he is not for pulling out of the EU..ludicrous...Brussels do not take him seriously...nor does a large chunk of his own party..
Spiritwalker Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 Who the f--k wants the cnvting German scum, and the wet, dozy French telling us what we can, or cannot do? Only morons, of course. We fought two wars for our freedom in recent times, and it is an affront to those who died, to be lap dogs. It goes way beyond that though, and they will bring a breath of fresh air to this decaying country, when the only opposition to the Tories, are a retarded, inept, pathetic bunch of scum bags, called the Labour party. Be warned, UKIP are coming to revitalize politics, and clean up the mess this country is now in. Is that you dad?
Harry - LCFC Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 The UkIP voters that I know (including my dad) are working class, fairly uninterested in general politics, and have a dislike for foreigners. When I try to explain to my dad that some UKIP policies may not be in his best interests, he says he doesn't care as long the French and Germans are no longer running the country. That's the kind of story I expected to hear. I can understand why conservative voters have gone to UKIP quite easily, it's not uncommon to hear someone accuse Cameron of not being a "true conservative" in the way that Farage is. But yeah, with respect to your dad and people like him I do question their judgement when going over to UKIP.
ADK Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 It's long been known that UKIP is the party of the old and the thick.
MooseBreath Posted 11 October 2014 Posted 11 October 2014 The point is there are NO controls.. who says immigration helps the economy grow? throw away statement with no evidence. changing one of the four corner stones of the EU ..ie the free movement of people is NOT going to happen,... fact. Cameron has already given away our position by saying no matter what deal he gets he is not for pulling out of the EU..ludicrous...Brussels do not take him seriously...nor does a large chunk of his own party..There are controls on non-EU migrants, but I think there should be more, particularly on unskilled supposed relatives of existing British citizens. I know a British Indian woman who has had more than a dozen of her extended family members successfully brought over. None of them even work. That needs to stop, but leaving the EU won't change anything in that respect. It's very well established, and indeed perfectly logical, that importing skilled migrants boosts the economy. Importing unskilled, low paid migrants then maybe not, but I'm against that as I've said. I don't see why we can't successfully negotiate a deal whereby we have control over our borders. We have the best performing economy in the EU and are on track to become the largest economy quite soon. Whatever has been said so far, when it comes to the crunch, the EU won't want us to leave and we'll have a lot of bargaining power. In any case, if the negotiations fail, we have a referendum and vote to leave. Why would you want to leave immediately and deny yourself the opportunity of having the best of both worlds? Makes no sense.
leicsmac Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 Blimey, you still don't get it do you? In a couple of years time everyone who has gone out and voted UKIP, will probably get what they want out of politics. We'll be sitting here with a huge shift to the right in terms of policy from all sides, a number of UKIP MP's in parliament and very possibly an EU referendum whoever is in power, all because of those voters who had the balls to break away. You'll probably still be voting for a main party and probably will have got nothing you want out of politics. And despite that situation you will call them the morons. If only you could see the bigger picture and realise how silly you look. I think the 'bigger picture' is that based on previous evidence, a shift in general politics to right wing nationalism has the potential to be a pretty bad thing for pretty much everyone. It's a concern of course but the way the Tories are approaching this is wrong. If the Tories drop out of Heywood and Middleton then UKIP win that seat (and thats safe Labour in the north, imagine what would happen in marginals), they can't go around saying 'a vote for UKIP is a vote for Labour' unless they also admit that anywhere north of Nottingham 'a vote for the Conservatives is also a vote for Labour'. I'd love to see a pact and the brilliant Jacob Rees Mogg has yet again spoken today how it should happen but Farage can't really go in with Cameron given what he said about his party, I'm sure it's a huge regret of DC's now. The more I think about the Tories the more I think George Osbourne is entirely responsible for them even having a chance next May, it's his economic policy that has driven the recovery and created the mass employment we have and that is what has coincided with the polls coming back together with Labour. Cameron has been on the verge of cock up after cock up, he's pissed off his core vote so much he could pretty much lose any seat in the country if the MP defected to UKIP, he's pushed through a range of laws to satify social liberals ie gay marriage that has alienated supporters, everyone I speak to at the countryside festival is wondering why he still hasn't repealed the hunting ban considering he made an open promise to do so at loads of events across the country. He should think himself lucky Miliband didnt agree with him on Syria last year or he'd now be in a situation where he has marched ISIS into Damascus. Can you answer a question here Matt? I'm genuinely curious. Conservatism in economics is at least something I can understand (there's some pretty good logical arguments in favour), but I honestly don't get the idea behind strong social conservatism. All I hear is slippery slope fallacies ("hey, the gays can get married, it'll be the paedos next!") or purely emotive arguments based on no little prejudice ("ugh...those transgender people out in public...ugh, it's just wrong, you know."), sometimes based on some idea of 'morality' that was written in the first place to keep one demographic above all others, because they are 'natural' or 'normal'. You're a pretty down to earth and reasonable bloke, so I'm asking for the view from the other side of the fence. Why? And is there a rational viewpoint in there somewhere? PS. There are far less objectionable ways to keep fox populations down. A good shotgun will do the trick, I'm sure. And it would certainly be faster.
Nick Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 Who the f--k wants the cnvting German scum, and the wet, dozy French telling us what we can, or cannot do? Only morons, of course. We fought two wars for our freedom in recent times, and it is an affront to those who died, to be lap dogs. It goes way beyond that though, and they will bring a breath of fresh air to this decaying country, when the only opposition to the Tories, are a retarded, inept, pathetic bunch of scum bags, called the Labour party. Be warned, UKIP are coming to revitalize politics, and clean up the mess this country is now in. I see your frustration but it's undermined by your xenophobic idiocy.
johnny the fox Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 There are controls on non-EU migrants, but I think there should be more, particularly on unskilled supposed relatives of existing British citizens. I know a British Indian woman who has had more than a dozen of her extended family members successfully brought over. None of them even work. That needs to stop, but leaving the EU won't change anything in that respect. It's very well established, and indeed perfectly logical, that importing skilled migrants boosts the economy. Importing unskilled, low paid migrants then maybe not, but I'm against that as I've said. I don't see why we can't successfully negotiate a deal whereby we have control over our borders. We have the best performing economy in the EU and are on track to become the largest economy quite soon. Whatever has been said so far, when it comes to the crunch, the EU won't want us to leave and we'll have a lot of bargaining power. In any case, if the negotiations fail, we have a referendum and vote to leave. Why would you want to leave immediately and deny yourself the opportunity of having the best of both worlds? Makes no sense. The idea that 20 plus other countries are all going to agree with us in opting out of free movement of peoples is fanciful , ain't going to happen.as I have already said ,it is one of the corner stones of the EU. What would be the point of being in ANY club if none of the rules apply to you? ha ha Even germany and france are struggling economically partly because of the fact countries are in the EU who are not in a fit state to be "in the club" and its only going to get worse, god forbid when turkey joins..
lavrentis Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 Do you honestly think they'll win the next election? It's possible.
Webbo Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 It's possible. It's not impossible that I'll shag Scarlett Johansson one day but I'm not holding my breath.
lavrentis Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 It's not impossible that I'll shag Scarlett Johansson one day but I'm not holding my breath. Vote UKIP get UKIP. A vote for the conservatives is wasted. Vote Tory, get labour
lavrentis Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 I guess we'll see come May. The old politics is dead, UKIP are uniting the working classes for one purpose
bovril Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 The idea that 20 plus other countries are all going to agree with us in opting out of free movement of peoples is fanciful , ain't going to happen.as I have already said ,it is one of the corner stones of the EU. What would be the point of being in ANY club if none of the rules apply to you? ha ha Even germany and france are struggling economically partly because of the fact countries are in the EU who are not in a fit state to be "in the club" and its only going to get worse, god forbid when turkey joins.. Really? And Turkey (whose economy is in more than a 'fit state') aren't going to join anytime soon so chillax.
leicsmac Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 The old politics is dead, UKIP are uniting the working classes for one purpose Yup, to restoke the fires of nationalism. Pretty much the whole of the first half of the last century shows how well that worked out. Would have been worse if not for the restraint of mutually assured destruction, too.
johnny the fox Posted 12 October 2014 Posted 12 October 2014 Really? And Turkey (whose economy is in more than a 'fit state') aren't going to join anytime soon so chillax. well if your relaxed and happy to have ANOTHER 120 million turks free access to this country great..Im happy for you.
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