Sir Fynwy Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 The tea party was around for a few months, UKIP has now won a national election and is attracting top notch mps and millionaire backers. People have predicting all sorts of nonsense about how they would go away for years, it's not happening. The usual parties are losing their touch and people don't hold the same loyalties to them these days. UKIP are clearly here to stay unless the Tories shift back to the right. The tea party has been around for years and has billionaire backers, they still can't get traction. It seems that you are hoping that UKIP pushes the Tories to the right where you want them to be, unfortunately for you the Tories know they lose more votes than they gain if they give up on the centre right.
Spiritwalker Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 This line has become so outdated Owen Jones has stopped using it. If you still think ukip is a one policy party you need to stop reading the Daily Mirror.I've just been on their site, the only manifesto I can find lists about 14 policies and 13 of them are a rant against Europe.The only policy that doesn't mention Europe is a reduction in fuel duty, this could have written by a school child in half an hour, and you want them to run the country.
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 The tea party has been around for years and has billionaire backers, they still can't get traction. It seems that you are hoping that UKIP pushes the Tories to the right where you want them to be, unfortunately for you the Tories know they lose more votes than they gain if they give up on the centre right. I'm not omniscient to American politics and I'm on a phone and can't be arsed to google but have the tea party ever actually stood in an election? I was quite sure they were a pressure group connected to the Republicans. A bigger version of the Monday club might be a better comparison than UKIP to compare to the tea party. Of course I want Cameron to move further to the right, every traditional conservative should do. He couldn't get an election win moving to the left so it might not be a bad alternative, after all whack the UKIP vote on top of the Tory one from any current poll and you have not only a majority but something approaching a landslide.
Guest MattP Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 I've just been on their site, the only manifesto I can find lists about 14 policies and 13 of them are a rant against Europe. The only policy that doesn't mention Europe is a reduction in fuel duty, this could have written by a school child in half an hour, and you want them to run the country. Grammar schools? HS2? Both widely known policies where UKIP gave a different viewpoint. If you can't find them on the website then I have no idea what you are looking at. Where have I said I wanted UKIP to run the country? You clearly have a problem with attention to detail.
Lord Nibblington Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 I'm not omniscient to American politics and I'm on a phone and can't be arsed to google but have the tea party ever actually stood in an election? I was quite sure they were a pressure group connected to the Republicans. A bigger version of the Monday club might be a better comparison than UKIP to compare to the tea party. Of course I want Cameron to move further to the right, every traditional conservative should do. He couldn't get an election win moving to the left so it might not be a bad alternative, after all whack the UKIP vote on top of the Tory one from any current poll and you have not only a majority but something approaching a landslide. The Tea Party had considerable success in the 2010 mid-term elections, with a number of senators and congressmen elected who considered themselves to be Tea Party members and defeating established GOP Republicans in the Primary as well. There numbers dropped in the 2012 election and as far as I know, most forecasters are suggesting the number of tea party backed candidates who will be successful in 2014 will drop again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_the_Tea_Party_movement for a vague outline.
theessexfox Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 What's the debate with grammar schools? I go to one and so am obviously in favour of them, not sure if I'd want them everywhere though, defeats the purpose slightly.
ADK Posted 1 October 2014 Posted 1 October 2014 They've disowned that idea already. Yeah I went to look it up and they've scrapped it. That's the problem with protest parties, they have a voter base that goes from far right to far left.
Guest MattP Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 I really hope Andrew Neil reminds Diane Abbott tonight of her "I'm certain we'll see UKIP fade away after Newark" prediction.
Strokes Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 I really hope Andrew Neil reminds Diane Abbott tonight of her "I'm certain we'll see UKIP fade away after Newark" prediction. they've not even hit their peak in my opinion. How do you think they will get on in Heywood matt? That will give the biggest indication as to where they stand I think.
Guest MattP Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 Second place in Heywood, would be a bonus to see Labour's majority shortened quite a bit.
Strokes Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 To get within a couple of thousand votes would be huge. Clacton would be a huge loss now if they don't get it.
SMX11 Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 Jesus christ. Question time audiences are so stacked against ukip it is beyond belief.
johnny the fox Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 The power establishment are not going to cut UKIP any slack..too many vested interests and cushy jobs.. its up to the peoples army to kick em all in the bollocks..
Strokes Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 Ganging up on Ukip only seems to increase their reputation, crack on with it, its not doing them any harm.
Guest MattP Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 Jesus christ. Question time audiences are so stacked against ukip it is beyond belief. Sitting here chuckling at it. About 60% of Clacton are about to vote UKIP and the BBC manage to pull in an audience of 200 from the town without a supporter in sight. Ganging up on Ukip only seems to increase their reputation, crack on with it, its not doing them any harm. Absolutely.
SMX11 Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 Also when they change to a non ukip question they never talk to the ukip representative.
Strokes Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 Why do we keep refering to ourselves as a wealthy country, when we run at a loss?
SMX11 Posted 9 October 2014 Posted 9 October 2014 Makes you laugh, such 'small amount' spent. We have a 100 billion deficeit and spend 11 billion on foreign aid which conveniently doesn't have a reasonable audit trail.
Guest MattP Posted 10 October 2014 Posted 10 October 2014 Wow. Full recount in Haywood and Middleton. A labour majority of 17,500 over UKIP whittled down to a few hundred. The tanks are certainly parked on the Labour lawn.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 10 October 2014 Posted 10 October 2014 A majority of 617 for Labour is pretty horrific in a safe seat when in opposition
Guest MattP Posted 10 October 2014 Posted 10 October 2014 Tories picked up 3,000 in a seat they could never win. They will just as culpable if Ed gets to number 10. They have cost UKIP a second seat tonight.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 10 October 2014 Posted 10 October 2014 The Lib Dems get less votes than the Greens in Clacton. As expected, a bad night for Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems but probably worst for Labour based on expectation. Still at the end of the day, they're by-elections and a dismal turnout in the case of Heywood
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