MooseBreath Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 The majority of people claiming Housing Benefit are working. Simply not true. Not even close to being true. I'd suggest you check your facts and reevaluate your thoughts on this one.
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 The majority of people claiming Housing Benefit are working. A combination of unregulated rents and low wages is the reason they need financial help. The bedroom tax is punitive because of a complete lack of smaller properties to move to. It's not punitive - it's totally necessary to send the message to the working people of country that they want.
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 Don't know if anyone is into any Political betting but Betfair have some good analysis on each constituency and also some decent specials. Surely Clegg, Farage and Sammond all to win their seats at 7/4 is huge. Only dubious one is Clegg's seat in Sheffield Hallam as he is hated by the student population now. That looks a great price - I think Clegg will have enough in hand to hold on. People still like a big name on a ballot form.
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 This coalition documentary is fantastic - the people playing the roles are superb. You can imagine Gordon Brown being like this.
Rincewind Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 The majority of people claiming Housing Benefit are working. A combination of unregulated rents and low wages is the reason they need financial help. The bedroom tax is punitive because of a complete lack of smaller properties to move to. There was a FOI request asking each council how many suitable smaller properties were available, how many were on the list waiting to move. In nearly every one the figure wanting to move was far greater than properties available. The amount of money lost through benefit fraud is 0.07%. And working tax credit accounts for a good percentage of benefit payouts. Of course when this is abolished it will vanish from the figures and it will appear that only those not working are claiming.
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 How can you know how much is lost through benefit fraud? Surely if it's being lost through fraud you couldn't know about it?
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-29/tories-lead-latest-poll-but-leaders-debate-remains-important/ Polls all over the place at the minute - 4 point lead for Labour yesterday and 4 point lead for the Tories today.
Jimothy Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-29/tories-lead-latest-poll-but-leaders-debate-remains-important/ Polls all over the place at the minute - 4 point lead for Labour yesterday and 4 point lead for the Tories today. Different polls though. One was YouGov the other Comres. I always check Poll of Polls on the bbc, which puts them all together. Currently has them both at 34%.
ramboacdc Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-29/tories-lead-latest-poll-but-leaders-debate-remains-important/ Polls all over the place at the minute - 4 point lead for Labour yesterday and 4 point lead for the Tories today. i saw this. i wondered where the 4 point tory lead had come from! thank you for clearing this up. the more i think of it, the more i think this is going to end up with another 4/5 years of cameron/clegg.
Jimothy Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 If that's a sad face because the Tories have a 4 point lead, don't worry. Like I said above, that's one Poll, conducted by ComRes. Another conducted by YouGov have Labour 4 points ahead. You can't look at one poll by one lot and another by another lot and see that as a shift one way or the other. The BBC do a Poll tracker that breaks down the Poll results and compiles them into one graph showing how all of them together look, it's currently neck and neck at 34%. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker
bovril Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 Polls all over the place. Half of them on benefits, no doubt.
MooseBreath Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 Wonder if these polls are based because most tories are too busy at work to participate?
Stadt Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 I thought he retired ages ago, he was a shit ref anyway Wonder if these polls are based because most tories are too busy at work to participate?You're not really proving your point here moose
Rincewind Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 They have time to post on message boards though. Someone on a factory production line on piece work would not be able to post on social media so we can cross that off the list of your possible occupation.
MiniFox Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 Wonder if these polls are based because most tories are too busy at work to participate? Well, I guess you could say those forced into zero hour contracts by the tories do have more time to participate.
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 Well, I guess you could say those forced into zero hour contracts by the tories do have more time to participate. At most that would relate to less than 1% of the population.
MiniFox Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 At most that would relate to less than 1% of the population. More than 1% actually, it's the typical Tory attitude as if they are all hard working individuals, who are picking up after the others (non conservatives) who according to previous posts don't work. Being in a zero hour contract is better than no job at all, but I guarantee the majority of those in a zero hour contract would prefer consistent work and pay.
Rincewind Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 Of course. Stability. NI. holiday pay. Guarenteed hours. not signing on and off. Regular time off spent with family plus other in work benefits. When you hear the 'some people like zero hour contracts' it is a different type. You arrange to do so many hours and agree on the days. If you are not asked to go in on those days then it is unlikely you will be needed other days so you will be able to do shopping or arrange appointments which would not be possible with non-agreed zero hour contracts.
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/25/zero-hours-contract-rise-staff-figures The figures are there for you. It's 600k people which is less than 1%, a lot of those people want them as well. It's only even just over 2% of the workforce. It's an absolute mountain out of a molehill.
MiniFox Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 "Almost 700,000 people in UK have zero-hours contract as main job" Over 1%.You just misquoted your own link. You say its a mountain out of a molehill, but I'm sure the 700k who's main job is on a zero hours contract would disagree.
Guest MattP Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 Around 1% then - which let's be honest, nothing. What about the fact we've creates nearly 2 million jobs? - far more important. The whole 700k? You don't know that. Least if Balls gets in they won't be around mind, we'll know what to expect, more taxes, more borrowing and more people on the dole. If you've got any cash or aspiration book your flight.
Stadt Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 I'm sure the government would rather have 700k permanent jobs but they can't just produce them, therefore a zero hours contract is a way into a job even if it's not as comfortable as they'd like
MooseBreath Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 They have time to post on message boards though. Someone on a factory production line on piece work would not be able to post on social media so we can cross that off the list of your possible occupation. You sure can. In my defence I was on official lunch break when I posted that. I don't have the same excuse now. I'm just taking a break because I feel like it.
Benji Posted 30 March 2015 Posted 30 March 2015 I'm still not sure how, save for the extent they are abused, zero-hours contracts are not beneficial. If they enable an employer to employ someone to work who they couldn't previously afford to do so, then surely that's better than no job at all? Now if a company uses them as a loophole around permanent employment (and the benefits associated with it) then that should be clamped down and the law behind such employment developed, rather than the general policy itself being scrapped.
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