The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 Bit of advice needed here please Right, I'm going to vent my anger (directed at the wrong people I know) whilst looking for a bit of advice. As I understand it whether compassionate leave is paid or unpaid will vary on each company and what is said in the contract.However, in my contract there is nothing- There are 40 odd blokes on the firm and maybe 5 women, yet there is a section covering Maternity leave (and a separate section for Paternity) However there is not one bit covering compassionate leave. When I queried this with my boss his answer rather than finding out from the director was, 'oh you've got plenty of annual leave left we'll take if from there' 7 Days of annual leave I was going to cash in at the end of March to pay for Tenerife (and the spending money) There will be another day off a week Friday for Dad's funeral. I feel the boss is being really unapproachable about all this, (though I admittedly haven't asked him again) In fact, because I'm on a lower wage than others due to only having my gas not 2 days before the compassionate leave had to start, I'd expect them to bloody pay for it in all honesty. It's not the fact that they're doing this but the fact that he won't ask the director. So I'm going to have to knock on the directors door and ask him directly. But then if the gaffer finds out I've gone above him over this that could back fire on me! To make matters worse, the pay rise I've been told I'm getting is a wank one and hasn't even been implemented yet. I could go to the other big firm down the road and earn (now I've got my gas) £3.73 per hour more than the wage I'm on currently, or £2.73 more than the wage I'm supposed to be being moved up to. The other firm are employing at the minute and I could walk into a job there but they are well known for treating employees atrociously. Our firm- despite this episode- are fantastic and (this episode aside) I'd say you couldn't work for a better firm/bosses. I just feel they're taking the piss completely yet wouldn't do this with some of the other lads on the firm. And no, we don't have a HR department etc. Though my lodger is doing HR/CIPD so has told me bits and bobs.
Larry_LCFC Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 I had my Granddad's funeral last week and had to use annual leave. Think its an absolute disgrace in all honesty.
sphericalfox Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 nothing you probably haven't googled yourself, but hope it helps
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 January 2015 Author Posted 28 January 2015 nothing you probably haven't googled yourself, but hope it helps Yeh thanks, I actually read that site sat in LOROS. And this is the bit that made me go to my contract Do you get paid for your time off? Your employer doesn't have to pay you for time off for dependants, but they may choose to do so. Check your contract of employment to see if there's a policy about this.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 January 2015 Author Posted 28 January 2015 The thing is, dad wasn't transferred to LOROS where I spent 6 working days sat by his bed chatting to him. Two weeks tomorrow at 6am I had to rush to their house n it was so bad we made my brother say his goodbyes to dad over the phone before rushing from london. I didn't think jay was going to make it home in time. Fortunately he did and we got dad into loros thursday evening. the day after (the Friday) dad fell unconscious and it was a matter of time and hanging on to every single one of his breaths. He only made it to the Tuesday night because his heart was in such good condition.
Ian S Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 Can you clarify as finding your message a bit confusing,are you looking for compassionate leave because your father has died? How long have you been in employment with this company?
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 January 2015 Author Posted 28 January 2015 Can you clarify as finding your message a bit confusing,are you looking for compassionate leave because your father has died? How long have you been in employment with this company? I've had all the leave I needed bar the day of his funeral which I'll obviously get. I've been back at work since Friday. I'm just pissed off at the gaffers reluctance to clarify with the director whether its paid or unpaid compassionate on our firm as its not stated in the contract. His 'solution' (to avoid asking the director) was to take it as annual leave as I have plenty left
Ian S Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 I've had all the leave I needed bar the day of his funeral which I'll obviously get. I've been back at work since Friday. I'm just pissed off at the gaffers reluctance to clarify with the director whether its paid or unpaid compassionate on our firm as its not stated in the contract. His 'solution' (to avoid asking the director) was to take it as annual leave as I have plenty left If employed for over 6 months you get 3 days paid ,any over and above 3 will be unpaid unless you have very understanding employers. It really does not help at difficult times when employers act so unprofessionally.. Hope this helps
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 January 2015 Author Posted 28 January 2015 If employed for over 6 months you get 3 days paid ,any over and above 3 will be unpaid unless you have very understanding employers. It really does not help at difficult times when employers act so unprofessionally.. Hope this helps Sorry- been there 4 years it was in December. What basis are you saying what you've said on?
Jon the Hat Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants/your-rights UK gov site says much the same - (I assume you are not in NI per the previous link). Seems to me they don't have to pay you, but you might ask them to. Suggest you say to your boss you were relying on getting paid for your holiday days, and this is going to cause you financial difficulties, maybe you are already committed to this holiday financially and wont be able to pay it otherwise. Could you bump into the director at the coffee machine or something?
Ian S Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 Whilst not legally binding, most reputable employers give 3 days paid.They should have a compassionate leave policy in either a staff handbook or your contract.They should allow reasonable time off but what is deemed as reasonable is not clear. They do have to be consistent so if you know of any colleagues that have ever had bereavement leave and been paid they would find it virtually impossible not to pay you. However if who you work for are a bunch of cowboys you are probably struggling. Personally I would write a letter explaining the situation and saying this is not helping you in this difficult time so could they please clarify as a matter of urgency,say you are finding it all a bit stressful.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 January 2015 Author Posted 28 January 2015 https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants/your-rights UK gov site says much the same - (I assume you are not in NI per the previous link). Seems to me they don't have to pay you, but you might ask them to. Suggest you say to your boss you were relying on getting paid for your holiday days, and this is going to cause you financial difficulties, maybe you are already committed to this holiday financially and wont be able to pay it otherwise. Could you bump into the director at the coffee machine or something? I think I'm just going straight to the top and speaking to him. I can ask for it to be done in confidence and if he will pay me some days and give me leave back, the boss would never actually know as its also the same director who does the wages/pay slips. Without bringing it back up with that gaffer again I can't mention that I was hoping to pay the holiday off with it. (I may have even mentioned it at the initial time of asking though I can't remember as I had other stuff to deal with obviously)
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 January 2015 Author Posted 28 January 2015 Whilst not legally binding, most reputable employers give 3 days paid.They should have a compassionate leave policy in either a staff handbook or your contract.They should allow reasonable time off but what is deemed as reasonable is not clear. They do have to be consistent so if you know of any colleagues that have ever had bereavement leave and been paid they would find it virtually impossible not to pay you. However if who you work for are a bunch of cowboys you are probably struggling. Personally I would write a letter explaining the situation and saying this is not helping you in this difficult time so could they please clarify as a matter of urgency,say you are finding it all a bit stressful. That's the problem- there hasn't been anyone recently. I'd never call them cowboys (even with all this I still on the whole think they're a good bunch of blokes) Thanks for your advice. It certainly is stressing me out and it's hassle I don't need.
cambridgefox Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 Really think the company should realise what has just happened and show a bit of compassion themselves.Small gestures go a long way. After my knee op balls up the other year,the first thing my boss said was don't rush back and I will pay you full wages.it was 7 weeks. Stu,you could really do without this im sure.
Raj Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 When me ma died i took a few days off as compassionate...didn't get paid...been there 24years.
Maybes Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 As far as I know compassionate leave is at the employers discretion.
Raj Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 Think ours is 3 days unpaid..extra you can take from annual leave...
Saxondale Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 Sorry to hear of your circumstance. I think the best you can do is appeal to their better nature.
Buzzell Posted 28 January 2015 Posted 28 January 2015 When my nan passed away I took some time off but I'm sure it was unpaid. I'd have to use holiday pay to get paid for the time off.
broughtonblue Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 Our place is 3 days off for parents, kids. Others depending on the relationship is 1 day. I lost my grandad but because he lived on the Isle of wight I took 3 days off, travel day before and after the funeral, 1 day paid 2 days unpaid
The Year Of The Fox Posted 1 February 2015 Author Posted 1 February 2015 None of its paid on our firm- asked the director. Harsh but stupidly legal
Goddard Posted 1 February 2015 Posted 1 February 2015 You should be allowed time off for funerals. I've never made anyone in my team use annual leave for a funeral.
kam6 Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Sorry to hear about your loss I do hope that you're coping ok In terms of compassionate leave, my small business (30 peoole) does not pay for compassionate leave but will let you take as much time off as needed. It differs from companies but I think that your boss should have had a word to see what they can do Losing your father has got to be such a horrible thing to go through and they must be understanding We had someone who lost their mother and tool two weeks off work, but I decided to pay her for one week
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