NotTheMarketLeader Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 No way. If you watch the team this season, it's tiresome to say so, but we have played well this season for the most part. It's the final part of our play that has let us down. We create chances and for the most part defend well. Honestly, cannot believe we haven't got more points then we have. In the odd game, Pearson has probably picked the wrong team, but on the whole I don't think he has done too much wrong. Believe the players need to take more of the blame. They are Pearson's players so he bears that responsibility also.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Taylor took over a team that regularly finished in the top half of the table. Mclintock also took over a team finishing in the top half the two seasons prior I believe (before my time but I've done a quick search) Pearson on the other hand got a team promoted, if someone can't see the bloody difference between someone dismantling an established team, compared to a newly promoted team struggling then god help us.
HitchinFox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 There is a debate to be had there as to who is a better manager. A debate that I happen to think Pearson might win. But if the debate is who was/is better top-flight manager for Leicester City I don't think Pearson would win. And I'm not going to kill myself and not should anyone else. Ok then, lets have a debate. If you're basing your love for Peter Taylor purely on stats – on the fact that Taylor's winning percentage is better – then you're on shoddy ground. Taylor inherited a team put together by Martin O'Neill, a team that won a major title four months before he came in. You've got to look at the bigger picture. Taylor took a very good team and made it the worst in the league in just over a year. The fact that the team won a few games before Taylor got his claws in is no testament to his management skills - but to the fact that there were some very decent players in that squad who knew their roles. Before Taylor replaced them with awful ones and muddled the roles of the unlucky ones who didn't leave. Taylor, as a top flight manager, was awful. Hence he has never returned with another club. The reason is obvious – which top flight club would hire a manager whose track record is to take an established, cup-winning team and to get them relegated and have a big part in ruining them financially? I think Taylor wins the "worst top flight manager" hands down.
NFPOUT Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 They are Pearson's players so he bears that responsibility also. Correct. Top flight loss percentages for three rubbish managers, Peter Taylor 50% Frank McClintock 57% Nigel Pearson 64% Still trussing Nigel and keeping the faith ?
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Taylor took over a team that regularly finished in the top half of the table. Mclintock also took over a team finishing in the top half the two seasons prior I believe (before my time but I've done a quick search) Pearson on the other hand got a team promoted, if someone can't see the bloody difference between someone dismantling an established team, compared to a newly promoted team struggling then god help us. This is one very strong factor to take into account. The other factors are relative spending power at the manager's disposal and time to build his own side. NP has had longer and had more relative spending money to do it than either of the other two managers. (I still think PT beats him to worst manager - but it's only marginally).
Collibosher70 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Peter Taylor was the worst manager this club has ever had...he destroyed one of the best teams we ever had....not fair to lump Pearson in with twatlor...pearson has in his time here had success and built a squad...his downfall is this season when he didn't strengthen the team enough.
NFPOUT Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Taylor is the worst manager that we have ever had, Pearson is catching him up, but never will because Taylor is so far ahead, Gold for Taylor, Silver for Pearson. Pearson couldn't even win the worst manager prize.
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 This is one very strong factor to take into account. The other factors are relative spending power at the manager's disposal and time to build his own side. NP has had longer and had more relative spending money to do it than either of the other two managers. (I still think PT beats him to worst manager - but it's only marginally). Taylor spent an absolute fortune, I'm not sure him having no money is or ever will be an excuse for him. £22,850,000 according to the foxestalk history widget. Which, when you take into account it was 15 years ago when premier league money was a fraction it is now, is an astronomical amount. McLintock, I have no idea about financially. The widget says £393,000... which seems to me like a lot for 1977 personally. Impossible to compare without a huge amount of research that I'm not going to do! Taylor didn't get time because we were clearly declining with him in charge, we've only even improved upon previous positions with Pearson during previous seasons. That's why he's had the time he has.
eunmac Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 An own goal here and there, a penalty that was a handball to the face, a sending off there, a stupid injury time free kick Burnley goal... ...probably looking at 7-8 more points in the bank and a totally different conversation.
Guest Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Not even close to the second worst. Stupid thread (imo) And McClintock was by far the worst manager we have ever had anywhere.
NFPOUT Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Not even close to the second worst. Stupid thread (imo) And McClintock was by far the worst manager we have ever had anywhere. What can't speak can't lie. Get your head out of the sand. An own goal here and there, a penalty that was a handball to the face, a sending off there, a stupid injury time free kick Burnley goal... ...probably looking at 7-8 more points in the bank and a totally different conversation. if my grandma had a pair of bol.................................
Guest Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 What can't speak can't lie. Get your head out of the sand. I don't understand your response.
fox in the sox Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Taylors win ratio in the top flight is better but there is no doubt that Pearson has done more for this club than Taylor. When Pearson first arrived we had just been relegated to the 3rd tier. Taylor took over a team that had consistently finished in mid table of the top flight. Saying that, I feel that Taylor deserved more time in his second season after a very good finish in his first year. His record of 5 promotions shows that he is not completely clueless. As for Pearson, he must be allowed to finish what he has started even if it means being relegated and returning. West Brom were relegated 3 times before becoming a side that has stopped up for 5 years. Harry Redknapp had loads of top flight experience which shows how difficult it is for any manager bringing a side up from the Championship. You are up against 17 teams who were good enough to stop up the previous season. People say that there weren't enough changes in the summer but we only really had Mahrez with Premier quality - he could have cleared the lot out but the spirit from last season would have been lost. Building gradually is the only way. So for now we have to put up with the defeats. If it was 5-0 every week I would be worried but we are not far off. The worry is that too many players will be sold after relegation but I am hoping the sales can be limited.
Guest Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I hope we stick with NP. I think he'll have learned a lot from this season. We'll be favourites to win the Champ (should we be relegated) and then we'll know what's needed in the off-season before we play again in the Prem.
Head Honcho Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I think the "we lost but we're playing great" comments can officially be put to bed now. I can honestly say that I have played in better teams then that rubbish I had to watch yesterday. A total lack of understanding of how football is supposed to be played coupled with half the team looking knackered and a manager that just can't seem to motivate his players it was truly abysmal. Mahrez needs a rest James, Morgan and Simpson are not premier league standard Weso Upson and Schlupp suspect at best. The team obviously looked jaded after the Arsenal performance and if Pearson who see's them in training every day couldn't see that some of them needed a break then he's in the wrong job.
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Taylor spent an absolute fortune, I'm not sure him having no money is or ever will be an excuse for him. £22,850,000 according to the foxestalk history widget. Which, when you take into account it was 15 years ago when premier league money was a fraction it is now, is an astronomical amount. McLintock, I have no idea about financially. The widget says £393,000... which seems to me like a lot for 1977 personally. Impossible to compare without a huge amount of research that I'm not going to do! Taylor didn't get time because we were clearly declining with him in charge, we've only even improved upon previous positions with Pearson during previous seasons. That's why he's had the time he has. It's why it's an impossible thing to compare ... It's like saying what's nicer, bananas or a night at the cinema. Taylor had a lot of money as he sold Heskey - his best player. You could argue that we're in better financial shape today than then.
chapero82 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I hope we stick with NP. I think he'll have learned a lot from this season. We'll be favourites to win the Champ (should we be relegated) and then we'll know what's needed in the off-season before we play again in the Prem. Can you see where he has has learned at all this season? Because I can't he still makes the same stupid mistakes but is getting worse
Babylon Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 It's why it's an impossible thing to compare ... It's like saying what's nicer, bananas or a night at the cinema. Taylor had a lot of money as he sold Heskey - his best player. You could argue that we're in better financial shape today than then. Cinema... bananas are fecking horrid creations. We got about £8m for Heskey when all done and dusted I think. Even £14m is a huge amount of cash back then. Anyway, like you said it's pointless and impossible... which is why I said it was a stupid thread in the first place.
5waller5 Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Cinema... bananas are fecking horrid creations. We got about £8m for Heskey when all done and dusted I think. Even £14m is a huge amount of cash back then. Anyway, like you said it's pointless and impossible... which is why I said it was a stupid thread in the first place. Depends on the film ... Why is nothing ever straight forward!!!!
NFPOUT Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 I don't understand your response. If you consider the aim of a football match is to win, then don't you think that the manager who does this the least successfully could be the worst manager ? look at the stats, they are not lying. What can't speak can't lie.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 16 February 2015 Posted 16 February 2015 Taylor is the worst manager that we have ever had, Pearson is catching him up, but never will because Taylor is so far ahead, Gold for Taylor, Silver for Pearson. Pearson couldn't even win the worst manager prize. good banter m8
Guest Posted 17 February 2015 Posted 17 February 2015 If you consider the aim of a football match is to win, then don't you think that the manager who does this the least successfully could be the worst manager ? look at the stats, they are not lying. What can't speak can't lie. Stats can be used to support a multitude of opposing arguments. So I understand why your statement was unintelligible. If I managed a team against you 5 times and won every time and then you faced a team managed by Wenger and lost 3 times would that make me a better manager than Wenger?
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