Dr The Singh Posted 26 June 2008 Posted 26 June 2008 phew..its fixedThe removal of Mugabe's knighthood will certainly solve any problems....wont it? How the hell was he given a Knighthood in the first place????
surrifox Posted 26 June 2008 Posted 26 June 2008 Mugabe is stating that no "x" (on a ballot paper) will defeat a gun and that he will die in office- it would be excellent if someone would speed that process along
Benji Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 Ok so we'll never invade because of people's hate for Iraq We're a busy boddy country who cant keep our noses out because we are in love with ''Human Rights'' in its undefined and excessive sense So what's the solution? Assassinate the fker!
Bellend Sebastian Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 One of my colleagues' brother in law lives there. He rings up my colleague in the UK to find out what's happening because no one over there has a clue
Foxed Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 They've shown they can't run the country by themselves why not give it back to us and we'll send in Gordon Brown to show them how it's done If there weren't millions of people dying this election would be hilarious. To be fair whether or not the opposition's name is on the ballot or not is neither here nor there - same result! This way at least the farce is transparent.
Daggers Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 Ok so we'll never invade because of people's hate for IraqWe're a busy boddy country who cant keep our noses out because we are in love with ''Human Rights'' in its undefined and excessive sense So what's the solution? Assassinate the fker! I have piss all idea what this post means.
Head Honcho Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 How the hell was he given a Knighthood in the first place???? He was our blue eyed boy for a long long time!
Benji Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 I have piss all idea what this post means. As a country we like to be involved in everything that goes on in other countries so theres no way we would bite our lip and not get involved. On the other hand what can we do other than overthrow him? It's quite evident from this thread alone that things such as stripping him of his knighthood and freezing bank accounts is not enough. However we would never do that especially with Labour in power what with their reputation taking such a massive blow from the Iraq situation. So, tongue in cheek, just get rid of him ''accidentally'' as it's obvious he's not the nicest man alive
Daggers Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 As a country we like to be involved in everything that goes on in other countries so theres no way we would bite our lip and not get involved. On the other hand what can we do other than overthrow him? It's quite evident from this thread alone that things such as stripping him of his knighthood and freezing bank accounts is not enough. However we would never do that especially with Labour in power what with their reputation taking such a massive blow from the Iraq situation.So, tongue in cheek, just get rid of him ''accidentally'' as it's obvious he's not the nicest man alive Aha. But the only perception anyone here has of him and the country is from the BBC.
Benji Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 Aha.But the only perception anyone here has of him and the country is from the BBC. Very true. But while it's obvious the media will do anything for a good story, i'd like to believe the general gist was correct, if not exaggerated. Fortunately or unfortunately it's all we have? Whats more you have recent statements from our own Parliament and neighbouring countries of Zimbabwe condoning what is going on with South Africa being one of the key people.
Flynny Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 Just getting rid of Mugabe won't do a lot for the country. Saying he should just be assasainated or something is ludicrous. He's only the very top of a massively corrupt party, changing Zimbabwe will take nothing short of a complete overhaul. I think foreign governments are hoping that some sort of insurrection occurs that they can then go in and attempt to take control of, rather than looking to topple him themselves, which would look decidedly worse.
Benji Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 Just getting rid of Mugabe won't do a lot for the country. Saying he should just be assasainated or something is ludicrous. He's only the very top of a massively corrupt party, changing Zimbabwe will take nothing short of a complete overhaul.I think foreign governments are hoping that some sort of insurrection occurs that they can then go in and attempt to take control of, rather than looking to topple him themselves, which would look decidedly worse. Good luck against a man who says only God can remove him. Still as I just said the assassination bit was tongue in cheek to a very serious problem that there is little we as a country can do to help mainly due to our incompetence in both Afghanistan and Iraq, South Africa and the others are the key players and I really hope we don't shoot ourselves in the foot again.
Daggers Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 Very true.But while it's obvious the media will do anything for a good story, i'd like to believe the general gist was correct, if not exaggerated. Fortunately or unfortunately it's all we have? Whats more you have recent statements from our own Parliament and neighbouring countries of Zimbabwe condoning what is going on with South Africa being one of the key people. The was plenty in the media about Chavez when I lived in Venezuela. Comments by the BBC correspondent, comments from Colombia, comments from the States - and none of it bore any relation to the reality I saw daily, first hand. The lad from the BBC was either pissed, coked-up or knee deep in whores so I'm amazed he managed to form a cogent piece at all. It seemed like every function or restaurant I went to he'd be there with the hacks from AP and Reuters being wined and dined by the old oligarchs with an axe to grind...and bugger me if the media stories didn't reflect that political bitterness. I recognise a number of identical pointers between Zimbabwe and Venezuela in the coverage and the damning of the man in charge, the same accusations of intimidation and ineptitude. The same calls for intervention. The CIA attempted to assassinate Chavez and, in typical CIA manner, ****ed it up. Obviously, the country sitting on a large oil field (and being the four largest supplier of oil to the States) had nothing to do with their interest! The growing calls for a similar kind of intervention in Zimbabwe unsettle me somewhat. Maybe there is more of a truth to the stories emanating from Africa, I have no idea. There are plenty here and in Florida who will tell you what an evil man Chavez is...but I simply don't swallow it. Consequently I am much more circumspect situations in other countries now.
Suffolk_fox Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 But wont.Theres no hope in either the US or Britain steppin in neither, we seem to have learned some lessons from the way we've handled Iraq x 2 and Afghanistan... Its a shame really cos someone should have stood up to Mugabe back in around 2002 or whenever it was he took all the farms and land from the white settlers... But hang on, maybe if we boycott a cricket match Mugabe will back down... hmmmm.. Yeah, the Apartheid regime certainly collapsed as soon as we banned the South Africans from playing World Cricket, Rugby etc... Aha.But the only perception anyone here has of him and the country is from the BBC. I too am often sceptical of what he hear from the press - however we have family in S Africa and a friend who moved to Zim about 6 months ago (I think she might be regretting that somewhat now) and they pretty much back up what the Beeb is telling us.
Daggers Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 ...however we have family in S Africa and a friend who moved to Zim about 6 months ago (I think she might be regretting that somewhat now) and they pretty much back up what the Beeb is telling us. I know - as I said, there will be plenty here and in Florida who will tell you what an evil, civil-liberties crushing, embezzling monster Chavez is...but that is only half the story. They are the disaffected who do not have power and (when they did) abused power to a far greater extent than he is currently doing. I'm sure people have been hit on the head and had their farms robbed from them. I'm sure there is racism in the country as a hangover of the Ian Smith years. I'm sure no one here would vote Mugabe into office...err...actually I'll pull that last one. I'm not an apologist for Mugabe - but I'm not going to condemn him on the back of some crappy BBC news flashes. Moreover, it's not my job to condemn him; Zimbabwe is a state with the power of self-determination...it's their job.
filbertway Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 Aha.But the only perception anyone here has of him and the country is from the BBC. What's he really like then?
Tabou Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 Just getting rid of Mugabe won't do a lot for the country. Saying he should just be assasainated or something is ludicrous. He's only the very top of a massively corrupt party, changing Zimbabwe will take nothing short of a complete overhaul. Does anybody have an email address for Mark Thatcher?
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 Lets be controversial - a third party candidate - yes that's right, all of Zimbabwe are going to waste their vote!
Guest Bilo Posted 30 June 2008 Posted 30 June 2008 Zimbabwe cannot function without South Africa. Zimbabwe's gas, electricity and a large amount of it's imports come through South Africa. Surely it would make more sense to pressurise South Africa to end it's support of Zimbabwe than to impose sanctions on a bankrupt nation, punishing its' people while allowing Mugabe to live on in luxury. How to pressurise South Africa? A good way would be for the EU to threaten to withdraw its' sides from the 2010 World Cup if SA fails to take action. That would mean no England, Germany, France, Portugal, Italy, Spain, Holland etc. FIFA would NOT allow a World Cup to go ahead without these teams and South Africa would be forced to take action, or lose an extremely lucrative World Cup.
Thracian Posted 30 June 2008 Posted 30 June 2008 I know - as I said, there will be plenty here and in Florida who will tell you what an evil, civil-liberties crushing, embezzling monster Chavez is...but that is only half the story. They are the disaffected who do not have power and (when they did) abused power to a far greater extent than he is currently doing.I'm sure people have been hit on the head and had their farms robbed from them. I'm sure there is racism in the country as a hangover of the Ian Smith years. I'm sure no one here would vote Mugabe into office...err...actually I'll pull that last one. I'm not an apologist for Mugabe - but I'm not going to condemn him on the back of some crappy BBC news flashes. Moreover, it's not my job to condemn him; Zimbabwe is a state with the power of self-determination...it's their job. No need for you to condemn him Dags. He does it himself. Irrespective of the tragedies and probable injustices of his own life, he must feel a real hero presiding over the apologies for mankind who reportedly broke a baby's legs because its father supported the wrong politician. Why any woman would soil her womb bearing kids for a brute like Mugabe escapes me (perhaps bitterness and obsession changed him) but clearly they have and what heroic tales he must now be able to tell his surviving family about his valiant ways of flying the Marxist flag. Such a pity he didn't learn wisdom instead of hatred, especially having been married to a teacher who you'd think might have set an appropriate example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe#Personal_life .
Guest Bilo Posted 30 June 2008 Posted 30 June 2008 No need for you to condemn him Dags. He does it himself. Irrespective of the tragedies and probable injustices of his own life, he must feel a real hero presiding over the apologies for mankind who reportedly broke a baby's legs because its father supported the wrong politician. Why any woman would soil her womb bearing kids for a brute like Mugabe escapes me (perhaps bitterness and obsession changed him) but clearly they have and what heroic tales he must now be able to tell his surviving family about his valiant ways of flying the Marxist flag. Such a pity he didn't learn wisdom instead of hatred, especially having been married to a teacher who you'd think might have set an appropriate example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe#Personal_life Couldn't agree more with that. The most serious problems stem back to his act of hatred in expelling white farmers from their land and then handing the land over to 'war veterans' with no farming experience whatsoever. That was the turning point in terms of both Zimbabwe's economy and the world view of Mugabe. It seems hard to believe that 20 years ago, Mugabe was viewed in much the same light as Mandela after overthrowing white minority rule and creating one of Africa's best education systems. The difference is that while Mandela is a democrat above all, Mugabe's megalomania prevents him from accepting the obvious. Zimbabwe no longer wants him, the world no longer admires him and even some of his friends in the ANC over the border are beginning to turn on him.
Daggers Posted 1 July 2008 Posted 1 July 2008 No need for you to condemn him Dags. He does it himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe#Personal_life Yup - but recently Barry Hayles' wiki page said he was being sent into space by NASA. You have to be careful how much faith you place in your information sources
Thracian Posted 1 July 2008 Posted 1 July 2008 Yup - but recently Barry Hayles' wiki page said he was being sent into space by NASA.You have to be careful how much faith you place in your information sources Now you highlight the Mercury as an "information source" I well see your point!
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