splinterdream

I thought Marti left the subs way too late and too few, we looked like we were flagging but to be fair luke thomas is a liability

The accusations thrown at the civil service, and various public service institutions, the judiciary, police heirachy etc is they have a left wing bias so are not impartial, so they would be more subservient to the labour party, rather than the previous government, which they sought to frustrate, evidenced by previous ministers testimony and that of Rory in the podcast which is worth a listen.

Just looking at your argument here.... where is it stated that Civil Service should be in conflict with the government? because i believe this to be totally untrue, and only held in your opinion. The Civil service exists to implement policy, not oppose it, how can it be impartial against the government? Their default role is to help the elected government achieve it's objectives lawfully and effectively, they can advise on legality but i suspect it's the government lawyers advice, that is taken as final. Civil servants can only advise on what a minister wants to do, but its the ministers that take the final decision. The issue of a civil service impartiality is a complex one, you can have situations where civil servents have been hired by the government and therefore feel a duty to the governement, or that governement may be replaced, so those civil servents left in place may have their own bias which affects the smooth running of a government, and this really isn't what should be happening. The Commons and the HoL is where potential policy/law is debated, voted on and if passed implemented, and if unlawful, the courts would step in, the government however have a duty to act on the promises that got them into power in the first place, if the Civil service is in conflict with that, it is anti democratic. An example on this podcast with a senior civil servant Gus O'Donell (25m in) where Rory explains being frustrated with a civil servants who just wouldn't do as he asked, and that there is no mechanisms in place to put that right, Gus O'Donnell who had previously said the civil service is there to inact (within the law) the governments wishes, had no answer other than there might be something behind the scenes that the minster (Rory) shouldn't know about, and this interview goes on where it becomes clear, the system can become a bureaucratic mess. Gus Oghu The government can do what it likes (within the law) if it has a sizeable majority, as long as it passes through the HoL, which is why governemnts look to fill the Lords with partisan ex ministers. This is democracy, the more MP's voted in, the more powerful the government, government becomes authoritarian, where it does things like shut down local elections because it fears the results of such elections. Now the next highlighted point, I and a major part of the Country believes, that we are living in a system where the institutions you highlighted, are subservient to the government, and that is why Reform are surging in the polls. We are seeing the most authoritarian anti democratic government thats ever been, Corbyn, Sultana and Polanski are just stupid, they have a student following as I can only assume by my own youthful ignorance, the thought something magical can happen where we're all equal and wealthy is a blissful thought, but other than a Worldwide revolution of the monetary system, it's never going to happen, and Socialism/Marxism always ends up with people more miserable and alot worse off. Sultana only seems interested in the plight of Palestine, Corbyn, an out and out Marxist would having us competing with Venezuala, Polanski, wants to ban landlords, and nationalise everything, these people cannot be taken seriously, Reform however are building something, with experienced politicians and a leader who has beenaround politics for many years and is a decent tactician. I certainly don't know whether Reform are the answer to our problems, but from my point of view, and many others in the Country, it's worth supporting, even if it moves the overton window more to the right, my major concern with Reform getting in is the institutions you highlighted, going to war with reform and actively acting against the sitting government creating a constitutional crisis.

Civil servents are supposed to be impartial and serve the government that has been democratically elected. So if it is left wing, as some ministers and those having worked in govt have said, then no its not a good thing. Some of those who came into conflict with the civil service. Priti Patel Dominic Raab Suella Braverman David Davis Liz Truss Theresa May Dominic Cummings Michael Gove Of course the civil service wasn't the only reason conservative voters were frustrated with the last Conservative govt, and the reason why they didnt turn out to vote and why we have a labour govt now

Its the suggestion that we have a left wing civil service that acts to frustrate and prevent those to the right from getting things done. Some say a civil service instead by Blair

Hate to break it to you, i am not an MP, have never been a cabinet minister, I have only listened to the testimony of those having been in tbose positions, who inexplicably were unable to get policies through, and the ministers aren't the only ones who have suggested the like. I, like you am just a voter that votes with the best intentions. I wont be sure who I will vote for until nearer the time but it'd be for anyone that prevents Labour/libs/greens/YP from getting in

Not really, i'm sure those ministers despite being frustrated by the civil servants, thought it better to battle away rather than walk away, or that resigning was pointless, or they just liked the prestige of being a cabinet minister

Obviously I wasn't looking for in depth policy by policy analysis, but that word salad says absolutely nothing, no offense. We currently are living with one of the alternatives and everyday you think it can't get any worse, and it does, and the other alternatives are arguing for more extreme than this shower we have now. I guess it's all about what your vision of a better future is, how that can be achieved, and who is best to implement it,

I wasn't looking to open anyone's eyes, I was hoping to read an argument for the alternatives by you or those bitching about reform.

Having listened to some interviews with a few Conservative MP's who were to the right of a Conservative party very much to the left, they argued they couldn't get anything done due to the blob,and it was impossible to get rid of the blob, as there wasn't too many Tory wets who were fine with it. People gave Boris an 80 seat majority because the wanted an end to mass immigration and 'woke' politics, instead they got mass immigration on steroids, a double down on net zero, lock down, non crime hate incidents, the online safety bill, and the list goes on. So whats the alternative? More of the most authoritarian government we've ever had, the most despised PM we've ever had? Not likely. Trust the Tories again? Possibly if they get rid of the wets, but thats not likely. Ed Davey? Polanski? Corbyn and Zultana?

What is the alternative? That is whats grim.

It's difficult for me to boycott because I bought ST with my dad, I had to persuade him to get one, i think he wants to go tomorrow as we didn't attend on the 29th. I think he see's the issues but as most people his age, he's a glass half full rather than half empty

Thought Villa were on the slide at one point but Emery is such a good manager and the club seem to know what they're doing

came here to say the same. bloody annoying

He's not the saviour, he's a very naughty boy

Justin looked superb pre season before he left

They're playing against players who are just seeing out the game. Football at thos level is highly physical, thats why Monga has looked bang average all season when hes featured

Please stop with this rubbish about starting the youngsters. We are starting the youngsters and they arent good enough

Playing silko up top with bdcr wasn't the best, bdcr is not a 10 imo. Skipp is looking back to his old self, Thomas is way off it, Monga cannot play on the left wing, he's offered nothing all season, we do need a new manager, this manager is not getting the best out these players, which is no disgrace, they're the result of a mismanaged club We need a new system, how we're playing isnt working

Leave who to their fate? I agree with asylum, I dont agree with how its being handled. There should be no legal aid to appeal, it should only be sought in the first safe Country, and there may be an application to seek asylum to another country from that safe country, we must treat people coming over in boats as illegal migrants

Consequences of what? Most people like me have just wanted governments to prioritise British people and British values and culture, they aren't interested in ism's which the left seem obsessed with. They're fine with immigration, but managed and only when beneficial to the betterment of the British people, that means people who can support themselves, can speak english well, and will work without claiming benefits. Governments should supply housing for those that need it, health care, cheap energy, welfare as a safety net, everybody should be treated equally under the law, and people employed by merit and not skin colour. Consequences are when tensions are ratchet up by the electorate ignored or when you have 2 tiers whether it be justice or priority with jobs, housing etc

Islamism in politics is a huge worry. Religion in politics is not a good mix, we saw the Christian lib dem leader crumble under scrutiny, we need to understand religious doctrine comes 1st for these people, the interest of British people below that, and that is not good

I'll keep trying. It's the right thing to keep trying, hopefully one of us will understand each others viewpoint.

I have no problem with those who have made money, I would however abolish the monarchy and have a maximum cap of inheritance per person of say £1m (not including business) as long as it was legally ring fenced to provide a decent state pension, and funded education for adults. I would with this abolish any inheritance below that.

It has nothing to do with ethnicity,/skin colour it's the level of crisis, and it being women and children, and the likelihood they'll go back. If it was a situation like Rwanda, i'm absolutely positive those protesting migrants in hotels would be perfectly accepting of giving asylum to women, children and the elderly, but thats not the situation is it? Ukraine is however a war zone, and it's very likely those asylum seekers will go back