Ricey

It was our challenging of the 22/23 breach that has delayed this. If it wasn’t for that we would have had all points deductions applied this season.

They’ve closed the loophole around breaches occurring to promoted or relegated teams and who can punish who. They haven’t changed the PSR rules themselves.

We breached PSR even before relegation, so I don’t think we can use that as an excuse.

It sounds like the club aren't fighting this one. They know they have no grounds to do so. It will go to the independent commission. That'll take a few months, we'll appeal it, that'll take a few more weeks and we'll probably get a verdict at some point in the winter.

The PL didn’t say that no clubs breached for 23/24, as far as I remember. They said no one would be charged, but mentioned our ongoing tribunal case…which hinted at the fact we had breached, but can’t be charged until the tribunal is over.

Unlikely. It has to go through the independent commission, plus appeals process. That will take some time.

It makes the transfer decisions last summer even stranger. It was avoidable, but they decided to spend and then not cooperate the league. They deserve everything they are going to get. If they hadn't spent so long pushing back against the 22/23 charge we could have had both charges out of the way this season. We don't really avoid the 22/23 charge, as they will come down harder on us for our first offence. If we had been punished for 22/23, the 23/24 punishment would have been much less.

Knowing the club, we’ll barely be able to make out Vardy after the match due to the amount of families members and Thai influencers on the pitch. It’ll be chaotic, like our other ‘celebrations’, with little consideration for the fans in the stand. Last season’s trophy lift was a complete mess. Give him a guard of honour and then let him to do a full lap on his own with his family, no one else. Give every corner of the stadium the chance to show their appreciation.

"Play my way....442". Just incase anyone still believes that the only reason Burnley and Everton played the way they did was for any reasons outside of his control.

I think the fact a lot of people here seem keen on Dyche is a sign of how far we’ve fallen. It would be a ludicrous appointment that would yet again highlight the incompetence and lack of strategy at the club. You can’t go about desperately trying to be Mini Man City, spending hundreds of millions on players who can (in theory) play that way, spend £100 million on a state of the art training ground and academy….then hire Sean Dyche. Even if he has some short term success, he’ll turn this squad into something that very few managers will want anything to do with. It will be old and wedded to a style of play very few managers play anymore. It will brick ourselves into a corner. We need discipline and a new culture, but Sean Dyche isn’t the only manager that can bring that. We have to define a style of play that we think could get us up and then set us up in Premier League going forward. All of our recruitment and managerial appointments need to centre around that, even if it takes a couple of seasons. Now is the time to be building foundations, not patching up holes.

I did a talk with Rodgers when he was here and he said that recruitment started and finished with him, with a little bit in between. He had the final say. He also said that he was like an older brother to Top, which just sums up the broken structure and culture at the club. No wonder ex-managers talk so fondly of the board, they get free run of the place with very little accountability.

If Vardy really hated Rudkin he’d have skied that shot.

Stop confusing Eduardo Macia's work with Claude Puel's.

Yes, the PL might fail to apply the punishment...but the EFL might be able to. The only way we win is if we can prove we were neither a PL club or EFL club at the time of the breach.

I'm not sure we did pass PSR for the period ending June 2024. We avoided a charge, but there is a theory that is only because there is an on-going arbitration case. The Premier League wording in the statement was odd. From what I can see there is still the threat of three separate points deductions. Period ending June 2023 - We avoid it this year by claiming we weren't a PL team at the time. The EFL will try and apply that next season. Period ending June 2024 - See above, once the arbitration case is settled, I wouldn't be shocked if a breach for this period is revealed. Period ending June 2025 - We'll need to sell before this date to avoid a third breach, which if it goes via the PL expedited route, could mean a third deduction towards the end of next season. We should have just taken our medicine this season, accepted the 23 breach, likewise the 24 breach if there was one and did everything we could to avoid a 25 breach...even if it meant, you know, not spending money on players like Ayew, Skipp, BDR, Edouard etc. You can call it hindsight, but were were never going to outrun it. Kicking the can down the road has caused the situation to become worse, with the added legal costs added on top.

"According to Football Insider..."

He didn't play once in January and then on the 1st of Feb he was back. After the Liverpool match, once relegation was confirmed, he came back out and did a lap of honour on his own. I thought at the time whether that would be the last we see of him.

I suspect this is the case and if it's proven, either by fresh investment or a full sale to another Thai billionaire, then I'm done.

Only just watching back the highlights. That’s second goal is peak Faes. Charge out to close someone down, get nowhere near, leave a huge gap, opposition exploit the gap to score and then Faes turns around and waves his arms in the air like everyone else has let him down.

A lot of our fans have no idea what he does. I guess none of us do really. ’Sack the board’ feels more apt and I wonder if more people might join in with that as it’s broader? Certainly around me I hear some people join in with that, whereas there is nothing for Rudkin.

What a football club. That’s the second manager in two years actively trying to get sacked and goading the club to do so in the press. Plus Enzo who took some persuading not to resign, prior to Chelsea coming in.

If the club are actually choosing between Dyche or Martin, it just proves how doomed we are. Two managers with wildly different playing styles, both of which will be unpopular with the fans.

That’s not the point though, if you read the rest of the post. He’s a bad manager, who has failed miserably, but when you look at the bigger picture there is no point paying him off and then hiring someone else terrible who will rebuild the squad and then also be paid off at some point in the next year. That sets us back another couple of years. Save our money until Top, Rudkin, Glover and co aren’t the ones making the decisions.

I’m warming to the idea of not sacking him, but only if there is a chance that there will be changes at board level and new strategy (is there one currently?) put in place over the next few months. If we sack him now or in May, it will be Top and Rudkin choosing the next lamb to the slaughter. It will be another case of looking at what CV’s happen to fall on the desk and who is being touted by the one agent the club is currently enamoured with. They’ll be ranked by how high profile they are and the club will put way too much emphasis on the interview. Style of play will be irrelevant. We may strike lucky, but the chances are slim. Next season is likely to be another shitshow either way, especially with points deductions. We can’t afford to sack Ruud, hire another management team, let them rebuild the squad…and do all that via the current leadership and without a blueprint or long term plan. It will be throwing money down the drain and will only deepen our PSR problems. Put all the energy and money into hiring the best Sporting Director, Performance Director, CEO, Head of Recruitment etc. A fresh group, committed, driven and innovative. Let them lead the rebuild, even if it means sticking with Ruud for a bit longer and playing more Academy players to plug the gaps from sales. Short term pain for, hopefully, long term gain.

I don’t think he will sell. He’ll try and bring in new investment, shuffle the board around a bit and claim it as change, when the reality is that won’t even scrape the surface.