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Here's the thing, the officer was shown to have used a level of force that was justified, reasonable and proportionate, beyond reasonable doubt, according to a court of law in front of a jury. For me, that's the end of the matter and he shouldn't now have to face the prospect of still losing his job. With regards to your assertion that a greater burden of evidence outlining the actual threat needs to be garnered is dangerous in itself. We can't have a system where officers are expected to wait for a live firearm to be produced, pointed at them and then hope they have the reaction speed to pull their trigger before the criminal. It just doesn't work like that. We put our trust and faith that they make considered, objective decisions in situations that most people would likely crap themselves. And it sounds like what he did was just that. The IOPC are playing with fire in my opinion.

So basically Liverpool have won the league one more time than us.

Don't worry about the defence, try to out score the opposition, but get rid of your best striker before the season starts and if Plan A doesn't work the just do Plan A more.

If anyone is interested in horror, Match of the Day is on tonight. It's been a tough watch all season.

It's not really about who was the best or worst. In general, most of them have been absolute shockers. I'm reasonably happy if we have a 50/50 success rate with signings but for the best part of a decade now I'd say 80% of our signings have been poor or terrible. That is a dreadful record.

Mads? Can't think of another option really.

In the frame for Rangers apparently, according to the internet.

We should go all out for Haarland.

Yeah, I get the impression that he's told them that the place is a disaster and then told them how he would change it, if he's allowed to stay on. Basically putting it out there that he thinks he's up to the job, but if he's staying, he wants a far greater say in what goes on. This strategy goes someway to restoring his reputation. In the highly unlikely event they keep him on, he gets a clean sheet of paper to rebuild "his way", or they sack him and he walks away, compensation in hand, saying that he was lied to about transfer funds, they weren't on board with his vision, he was hampered by an inadequate squad and the direction he wanted to take the club wasn't backed (all of which has some truth to it).

Fabulous player and a great presence on the pitch. It's been an absolute privilege to watch him for so long in a Leicester shirt but the time has come to say goodbye. I have nothing but gratitude for him and wish him all the best, wherever he goes.

So wait, we were relegated over a 38 game season because it was Enzo's fault for leaving and/or Steve Cooper's fault for not being Enzo? Definitely not Coady's fault though. Got it.

Just watch him go on to be a world-beater once he leaves. Wouldn't be the first time that a player has disappointed here and gone on to a bigger and better career elsewhere, when in receipt of some decent coaching.

What are you on about? We only got relegated on Saturday. 3 days is not much time to come up with a plan for a Championship season! When surprises like this happen, often the best thing to do is take a few days to let it all sink in before making any silly decisions.

Gerrimin. I like Dyche. We could do a lot worse for sure. I didn't know he was good friends with Rudkin though!

Who wrote the contract and omitted the part where it should have said "If we get relegated, your severance package is £0" (or four weeks pay or whatever)? This football club is becoming an absolute sketch show.

Changing now has more chance to actually damage us in the long term. We have the luxury of time, we should use it. Preferably wisely.

This is a good point. We should be aiming to finish higher than Ipswich. Would help us and hinder them next season.

I can certainly get on board with Nigel being DoF, but in my mind what needs to happen is the following: 1. Top needs to take a look at himself. What sort of football club does he want to own? If he wants Leicester to get back to challenging for European competition and domestic trophies then he needs to make those ambitions clear and set his stall out as to how that's going to happen. Perhaps set some targets... Top half Prem finish within 4 years, European football within 6... At least one domestic cup semi final in that time. 2. Rudkin is past his sell by date. He needs moving sideways and away from this football club. A new DoF should be appointed who is fully on board with Top's vision, not afraid to give reasoned arguments as to why something might not work, and come up with alternative solutions. Then they need to be given the resources to begin the long road back to where we were. The post should come with a huge level of responsibility and accountability. 3. The DoF, bearing in mind the vision and the resources must then get the ball rolling on shaping the infrastructure at the club to ensure success, from academy to mens first team. 4. A major part of that infrastructure is the men's first team manager. This is an appointment that should be made early by the DoF where the plan is laid out and the manager is fully informed. 5. The manager, with the recruitment team and supported by the DoF need to the ruthlessly reshape the squad. By replacing RVN now, you do the whole thing backwards. We get a new manager hired by an underperforming DoF, pandering to Top's fantasy. With the current set up, the Leicester manager job is a poisoned chalice. Changes need to be seen to be made so that a decent manager can be tempted with a long term project. It looks like Potter and Moyes both swerved us - with good reason. We won't currently obtain our first choice manager without seriously lowering the bar. Sacking RVN now would be pointless. Maybe Andy King could steady the ship in the interim, but big changes need to happen before we get a new manager and whilst we have time, we should take that time. It's not like we'll get someone in who will win the next 5 games at a canter and even if that did happen, we're still relegated and playing next season in the Championship. We're 10 weeks away from July. Next season is huge for us and the managerial appointment is a key decision we can't get wrong.

Don't underestimate the size of the shake up that's needed at the club this summer. It's absolutely time for Vardy to move on.

This is it exactly. Pointless making a knee jerk reaction now. There are structural changes that need making at the club before we start looking for a new manager. If there is a chance of a new DoF, they have to be able to get the manager they want in, otherwise we continue with an offset strategy. Whether RVN goes now or in 8 weeks time, makes very little difference. Same could be said about a manager. If you want a decent, ambitious manager then there are a whole heap of infrastructure problems that need sorting first, or at least be seen to be sorting. No self respecting, experienced manager would or should touch us with a barge pole.

Enzo would have struggled in the Premier League with the players at our disposal, especially playing the "Enzo way". You can't really compare the situation because playing in the Championship is night and day to playing in the Premier League.Would we have been better off if he had stayed? The answer is "Maybe". It definitely isn't "Definitely". Some managers are better than others, that's obvious, but the pond we're fishing in doesn't contain miracle workers. If we ship out RVN, we might get someone a bit better, we might get someone the same or worse, but to think that a new manager will solve all our issues and somehow change the long term direction of the club is naive. Nothing will change here until the hierarchy changes (and a good few players have been moved on). When there is a fresh philosophy at the club with clear ambition and a commitment to getting things right, that is the time to change the manager. Until then, it will be more of the same.

Honestly, there is no point in sacking him now because the hierarchy at the club is the same. If the hierarchy doesn't change we won't attract the right candidate and getting a big upgrade on RVN won't be possible. This club is a disaster zone right now. Simply replacing the manager immediately will solve NONE of the underlying problems we have at the club. The time for MAJOR changes in how the club is run is here. The manager (whoever that is) is just a cog in the machine. We need a new machine.

You could be right! I thought Ruud's comments were interesting yesterday around the January transfer window. It was plainly obvious that the squad needed strengthening but all of a sudden, maybe PSR related, the rug was pulled and improving the squad was put into the 'too difficult' box. From what Ruud said, it sounded like that was the moment the upper management of the club accepted relegation. In January!!! If that's the case, what's the plan? I can understand waiting until relegation is confirmed to put the plan into action, but this has been coming for months. Relegation hasn't simply fallen out of the sky. Planning for next season should have started in January, so let's see it now. This week, I would expect to start seeing the plan beginning to be actioned, but I agree - my fear is that nothing will happen.

Yeah, decent piece (and Carragher's comments post match yesterday). There are lots of big problems that need sorting out at the club. 1. Jon Rudkin - time to move on. Please let's close that particular chapter and get someone else in with some fresh ideas that can change the trajectory of the club. 2. Top - it's time now to state his intention. Either sell up or stay. For me, he'd be fine as a hands off owner which would mean he'd have to take a step back. One of the problems I believe is that Rudkin has either not been listened to, or has been overruled because he isn't trusted, either way it makes the DoF position an impossible one. Top either has to completely do away with the DoF position and do it himself (please, no) or completely take a step back and let the DoF get on with their job and hold them accountable (not sure he's capable of relinquishing that much control) or sell up and move on. 3. Recruitment - has been shockingly bad for too long. Put all talk of long contracts and big wages to one side - the technical ability and ambition levels of players brought in has generally been abysmal. Not every transfer will work out and most clubs probably get a 50/50 return, but we've had too many misses and too few hits over the last 4 years. Recruitment needs a complete overhaul. 4. Current squad - there are probably half a dozen players or so that really bring the group down. Either we sell them in the summer or terminate their contract. They've just got to go. I'd controversially go on to say that there's no point in even looking at the manager's position right now. Those four points need addressing for regime change to happen. Point 5 would be to look at the manager but if the other four points aren't addressed, any new manager would come in under the old regime and I fear it will be a case of rinse and repeat. All of these points are more important than the manager. Look at it another way, if we sack RVN now, we will go on to find a new manager and try to attract them into the utter shower that the club currently is. You won't get the quality manager that everyone wants. If points 1 and 2 are addressed by the end of the season, then it will be seen that some foundations are being laid for a major rebuild.

Need a goal soon if we're going to stay up.