honeybradger

Out of interest for those that want Martin for his promotion credentials, what makes him a better option than someone like Dean Smith who failed here but has far better credentials at that level than Martin.

We are not the ones that need to move on, it's the likes of yourself that are stuck in the past. The league and fa cup win have bred a mentality of complacency at the club where because we've had success recently we need to accept whatever is served up. With a club our size we cant afford to he complacent as we will just end up crashing down the football pyramid. Years of mismanagement has led us to our worst top flight season ever and a ridiculously overpaid, under talented squad. Bringing in Russel Martin is yet another bad decision that is going to drag us further down, the contempt from him doesnt come from entitlement, it comes from a desire to have some form of long term stability at the club. If we hadn't won anything the fans would still be unhappy at the decision making at the club.

The season before he joined Swansea they were 6th. The season after he left MK dons they went up to 3rd.

I'm nots sure he goes. If his job was under threat surely we would have heard something by now. Realistically we needed a new DoF in January to start preparing for signings in the summer, a new hire isnt going to be able to bring in what's needed before pre season starts

After that save im available for him any time

Stolarczyk is one of our best players and some want him to be second choice next season because he miskicks the ball sometimes. He keeps the ball out of the net which is all that matters.

there is usually a tradeoff, we cant sign a hermansen every season and even he is lacking at commanding his box compared to stolarczyk

rather him than someone like bazunu

him and skipp need to be hooked at half time

Are they getting gametime because there's a plan to integrate them into the first team or are they just there because of injuries and because the first team is so bad? I'm worried that they drop back down the pecking order against once Cordova Reid and Mavididi are back despite impressing in the limited minutes they've had.

Fair enough, that's surprising to me although I am still wary of his reluctance to play typical wingers.

Out of interest where did you get those stats from? Edoze and Kyle Walker Peters were the only players they had that season that dribbled semi regularly and got over 1000 minutes. I cant see how they had more take ons than us when we had Fatawu and Mavididi get over 3000 minutes.

It will be the likes of Ayew, Mcateer, Cordova Reid on the wing ahead of Mavidi, Fatawu, Monga. Maybe at best Alves will play who is good at retaining the ball when driving forwards. We would never have wingers that take a risk taking players on under Martin, it goes against everything he stands for in football.

He had edozie and sulemana as pacier options and didn't start them. When Maresca came in we brought in Mavididi, Fatawu, Akgun as options out wide that could take people on as that's what he needed for his system. It's not a coincidence that Rusell Martin, who knows exactly how he wants his team to play, doesnt sign pace on the wing and ends up with slower player out wide that cant take players on wherever he goes.

You're not going to get fast wing play from Russel Martin. He prefered to play with slower indirect players out wide at Southampton and Swansea. Usually strikers or midfielders and never wingers, so the likes of Monga, Mavididi and Fatawu will not get gametime under him. Considering all the promotion of Monga over the last few months, if we bring in Martin or Dyche it shows just how poor our club's strategy is as he won't play under them.

Russel Martin in the PL was more clueless than Van Nistelrooy in the PL. Russel Martin's style 'winning promotion' was getting them into the playoffs, that's not a good performance with the squad he had and it's not a consistent way to be promoted. I have a feeling youre going to be surprised by just how bad of a manager Martin is. Those two games we had against Southampton in the championship were the easiest we had that season, he's going to make us absolutely rubbish.

Let's be clear, Russel Martin is not a promotion specialist. He finished 4th with a top 2 squad last time in the championship and finished 10th and 15th with Swansea who were pushing playoffs before he came in. He is a below average championship manager who only gets interest because he plays 'the right way'. I genuinely back Van Nistelrooy to gain promotion next season more than I would do Martin.

If they keep their players then they will walk the championship.

Sheffield Wednesday we're on track to be the worst championship side ever before Rohl came in and he's kept them up twice and even gotten them top half. He has done an incredible job with a mediocre squad.

Different situations. When Cleverley leaves Watford they will still be a midtable championship/playoff hopeful team, when Rohl leaves Wednesday they will be relegated.

Of the managers who have been linked this is my preference: 1) Danny Rohl . . . . 2) RVN . 3) Dyche . . . . . . . . . . 4) Martin

Kroupi jr will start over Evanilson. Very special talent.

Hopefully this is just agent talk. Despite being 16 with his numbers in u21 football we would be looking for a good championship loan if we were still in the PL. Considering we are actually in the championship he should be an important part of the squad next season.

If youre only looking at Ruud's time in the PL with us then you might as well look at only Martin's time in the PL with Southampton. Ruud comes out on top, which tells you something considering the records we broke.

Russell Martin is known at Swansea and Southampton for switching to a winning formula to save his job when it's going wrong then changing back to his idealistic way of playing football when he's in the clear. He is so adverse to change that he knows what tactics will win his team games and will consciously choose to not play that way as long as he's not at risk of being sacked. He will never change as he is too married to his ideals.