LCFCJohn

Genuinely think that could be Nelson’s Leicester career done. He’d likely be sold with a year left in the summer and with Okoli fancied instead and Vestergaard coming back, it’s quite feasible that he doesn’t get back in for the remaining games now. Unless Lascelles get crocked today of course!

Both been bad. With Nelson I get the feeling he just needs an experienced partner to guide him and will be a good player. Okoli I think is genuinely just naff. But in the here and now it doesn’t really make a difference. And I don’t think there is a future proof consideration involved either so it doesn’t really matter.

We don’t really know what the conditions of the option are but I don’t know about the assumption that it is in our hands. My understanding would be that the option just stops Rennes ramping up the price after a good year. I really don’t imagine James is tied in nor that other sides couldn’t offer more and sign him if he turns us down.

Blackburn v Middlesbrough Bristol City v West Brom QPR v Portsmouth Southampton v Oxford What do we think? Middlesbrough have been poor recently and particularly against the worst sides in the league such as us. I don’t fancy them to beat Blackburn. Maybe a draw would be a good outcome for us. Bristol City we have seen how bad they are to have lost to us. West Brom win. QPR should beat Portsmouth but it’s one of those where they will beat us comfortably to throw points away to a rival. Going for a draw there. Southampton are in form and you’d hope bring Oxford’s run to an end. I can see wins for Blackburn and West Brom, a draw for Portsmouth and a defeat for Oxford. Which if we fail to win will be another back day at the office.

Agreed. Will be frees and loans.

I’ve been saying it all along. The EFL actively want Wednesday to go out of business. They gave Chansiri a 3 year ban from owning a club. 3 years! That tells you all you need to know about where the EFL’s priorities lie.

I know you have been saying you think we can stay up and it wasn’t a dig or anything. I agree with your views on pretty much any subject by the way. It’s not as easy as that no. But it’s classic grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory stuff. Both within a single game (Southampton) and across last weeks games. Of course it’s close and we are definitely the only team (Wednesday aside) who are long overdue to string a few result together. We might find something from somewhere or the ability of the likes of James and Fatawu could dig us out. But, relegation battles are more about mental strength than anyway and we just lack it all over. The hope is we have finally found ourselves at a level where the ability, when it really counts, can dig us out of a hole. We haven’t seen it yet though.

Yep. We did the hard bit and got the winless and clean sheet records off our backs last Tuesday. Home game to follow up against a side who’d lost 4 without scoring in a row. Perfect opportunity to back it up. Take an early lead and approaching half time. Thats 90% odd of the job done to winning the initial game and backing it up. The implosion that followed was inexplicable. How anybody can have seen the Southampton debacle and the events of the last week and have anything other than blind hope we can stay up I don’t know.

But it’s fine for Wednesday to be punished over again for the actions of one man who is now also a former owner. Absolute hypocrisy.

Highest paid squad in the league guys. Earning their wages every week

I disagree. This is much more than a poor/poorly performing goalkeeper. The side is riddled with issues. Look, I only commented as I was one of those defending Iverson at the time most were giving it the old Anstey Nomads jibes at him and saying he was shit. At the time I said he is a good Championship keeper if played consistently in a side that played to his strengths and guess what, I was right. Johansson, we didn’t see here to be fair. So when people start saying how much better off we’d be with Iverson after how he was written off I found it amusing. To be clear, I do believe that technically, there is not much between them. Technically. Stolarcryk performed quite well before, even last season given the circumstances. It looks like classic mental fragility more so than complete lack of physical/technical ability. Not to say he is great in the latter areas but the weaknesses that are causing his performances for me are mental fragility. Maybe then we’d have a few more points with one of those former goalies if they communicate better (communication seemed to be the issues with the goals against QPR) and if they could retain some self confidence in adverse conditions which quite clearly Stolarcryk has not done as he has fallen apart. However, I strongly disagree we’d be 10/15 points better off as my whole point was around how this club currently just brings out the worse in nearly all players (exceptions like James aside). The issues are not one player. And that was why I made the point that even if they were better goalkeepers, it does not automatically mean you pop them in this side, behind this defence and suddenly win loads more points. The whole reason we are getting turned over week after week by teams who we would consider weaker on paper is because they perform to more than the sum of their parts whereas we are a bunch of individual mercenaries. So I think it would take a lot more than putting another goalkeeper or even a striker into the side and suddenly not being in this mess. But James seems to have managed to perform well so hey, maybe you could if it was the right player. By the same token you could put Stolarcryk into one of those other sides and he’d look better than he does here so yes it’ll be interesting to see how he gets on. But I do think we’ll see a lot of players leave and go on to do well elsewhere as this club is toxic.

It’s basic psychology to work it out as well, that it comes from insecurity. I was young when administration happened although I had started going to games but have very clear memories of growing up and my early teenage years being those 2004-2008 years. You can’t get brought up on those years and subsequently have an entitled mentality. You just can’t. What you can expect is the basics to be done as we watched years of poor quality players at least put their all in. That’s why it is so painful now. And you’re right that trying to target young people is plain wrong as yeah, they can’t help when they were born. But their voice is as important as someone who is 60/70 but showed no interest in the club until 2014.

And in 2 back to back posts we see evidence that the being pissed off at how the club is being run actually has nothing to do with age or length supporting but actually how much we care and want a club to support in the future and for our kids and grandkids. Stevostadium has had a shocker!

I’ve been starting to say the same thing. The attendances jumped massively around. 2014. I remember attending some games in those Championship years and L1 with tiny crowds. Obviously cup games are always lower but only around 7k for the early FA cup games in the L1 season. All these people who came out the woodwork around 2014, where did they come from as they were clearly new supporters. Based on those of us with a hard view towards the ownership, it is clear we have seen the tough times. I can’t say I am aware of anyone who is against the ownership who hasn’t been a much longer term supporter. You could say that the quickness to throw this only been around since 2016 line actually comes from insecurity of people who are venomously defending the ownership and fit that description themselves. I don’t doubt a lot of them are older people but if they weren’t actively supporting us through the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, and came out the woodwork when it suited them, is their view really relevant?

I’d say there are some decent answers there so yeah fair and don’t put yourself down. I think it’s an uphill battle whilst so many aren’t willing to join in. It may well escalate once the season ends, barring some unlikely turnaround avoiding relegation, when it gets confirmed. I agree to many are reactive. Is the non-spontaneous and pre-planned thing more representative of society now? Maybe. Pre-social media, it would have been much more likely to come together as you have said from your experience. With social media and over coverage of everything, comes a need to plan and over analyse things. Agreed about the language too. It needs to be inclusive for those who support the principle of the protest.

Ah the old KP line there….

Agreed. People think it will suddenly come together and we will ‘promote’ if we stay up. I agree with you, it’d be a similar story to 2004-2008 where if we stay up, it just results in circling the drain until we drop. From a financial point of view, holding that at bay for a year or two would be helpful.

The one hope would be that they have peaked too early. They’re unlikely to keep the form up. Obviously relies on us to actually pull our fingers out and pick up some wins and for teams like Oxford not to be out of sight. But sometimes the timing of a run of results is key. West Brom look in a more favourable position as they have improved a bit and they came together with a very good win at the weekend. If they put a run together it is the right time. Whereas Oxford yeah, might have peaked too soon.

Well it’s called an opinion but yeah, I’m stupid thanks! They are all average championship goalkeepers at best. And guess what, there’s this amazing thing called players either performing better or worse of they are put in a well drilled, functioning team or one that is a complete toxic shambles like ours. I am a balanced poster in my views and don’t get sucked in to the hate towards certain players when they get scapegoated. What I will say for balance then is that I believe Stolarcryk’s weaknesses are more mental (confidence, communication) rather than technical ability. Maybe you’d see a slight improvement if one of the others had a bit more confidence and hadn’t let it get to him. And in the case of the QPR game, better communication. But 15 points, you’re having an absolute laugh. If you’re telling me, you put another average goalie in this side this season and we are suddenly knocking on the door of the playoffs…..well that’s nonsense. The defensive structure of this side has been crap all season. Even back in October time, we had the opposition literally allowed to walk through the defence and take shots at will so there’s going to be difficult for any keeper. Clearly he is mentally fragile and has progressively fallen further off the cliff as the season has gone on. Nobody’s disputing that. He is another, like Nelson, who just needs to move on for his own sake this summer. Start afresh.

Are you classing seasons like 2004-2007 (3 seasons prior to the 2008 relegation) in that 8? We have only finished in the bottom half of tier 2 in 12 seasons in the past 100 years so 8 seems a bit over dramatic in terms of what constitutes a relegation battle? It’s like suggesting the seasons under O’Neil finishing 7th-9th were close shaves with the Champions League… And those seasons between 2004-2007 comfortably sit within our worse 10 finishes in the league pyramid in our history as well.

What do you think is the answer? And I don’t mean that in an abrasive way, but a genuine one. I think your point is correct. I would hazard a guess that the KP diehards don’t outweigh the protesters at all, though they are a noisy minority on social media. My thoughts are that there is a much larger majority that agree with the sentiment of the protest but for whatever reason it may be, don’t want to march. Some people just don’t agree with protests in any way shape or form. When abusive language towards Rudkin was used for example, or suggestions of defacing the statue etc are said, I have felt concerned not out of sympathy for Aiyawatt or the family but that it becomes a less inclusive way of encouraging numbers to make their voice heard.

Literally not what I am saying Right this is boring. If it makes you happy, fine, Stolarcryk is non-league standard and any keeper in the EFL, including whoever Wednesday have plucked off Hillsborough park to put in nets any given week would do a better job. Happier?

We playing them on back to back days or something 2 match threads, 1 for 21st and one for 22nd

Yeah I was one of the ones who defended Iverson (and got mocked for it). So I find it amusing how people are now pining for him and saying how much better he’d be for us.

Yeah you’re still completely missing the point here. He’s been crap and worse as the season has come on and the fact we are an utterly toxic club with the second worst defence is a massive part of that. A keepers mistakes are always more highlighted as they are the last line of defence. We are making similar sloppy mistakes all over the pitch so how do you think our goalkeeper whoever that is at the time, end up under so much pressure? You clearly have your opinion. I have mine. Mine is that you could put Iverson or Johnansson into this side and they’d look equally bad because of the club/team in general.