Matt

Let’s hear of no wittering and moaning from managers next season then, surely clubs would have consulted managers to take their opinions on board.

Wolves: Reverse U14's price increase. Adult price freeze. Review junior pricing. Improve communication and consultation with fans around major proposals. I'm not going to say well done because they should never have done or proposed what they did, but well done for listening and changing.

This is what I don’t get. The stats flying around about us last season. I heard a stat the other day, Southgates England team have scored more than X Man City score goals. Heck! Unbelievably I think there was even stats that showed Rodgers’ football in a positive light for creativity/goals (I seem to remember people arguing against me). Common denomination? All dull as dishwater, for all the positive stats and spin it doesn’t get people out their seats. Then you finally get a game with goals (and by my own admission I’m only using 2 examples here) WBA 3-0 at HT and Southampton 5-0, genuinely exciting games with goals and 2 different managers aren’t happy with it, would far more favour “control”.

So one of them goes on a Chelsea podcast. (Of which I have no clue what he said good or bad either way but the fact remains he went on a Chelsea podcast)

Not sure I agree with any of that but that’s just personal opinion. Infact I’ve made the point quite recently the remit and direction instructed by the board to incoming managers over the last 7 years have very much been to play a possession based style. Yet our largely our transfer incomings have been the total opposite to that not fitting that direction of style at all and rather more suited to our “old” style.

Nah but if you don’t like possession based football you’re a dinosaur still living in the 80’s and 90’s and you just want it hoofed forward. There are simply no other options!

Ok, and the argument against possession based football is its expensive to get the tools (players) suited to playing that way, an expense we are not allowed to afford, so neither way is ideal and we need to find a half way house rather than going balls deep down one route.

People up and down the country are getting fed up with it. Finally.

Football is eating itself.

Yes! But the powers that be wouldn't have even heard of him. He also wouldn't fit their remit of how they want us to play by direction.

From Percy's article; There will be inevitable disappointment in the Leicester dressing room but, equally, some players will be unmoved. Maresca was so devoted to his philosophy that he could at times become stubborn and dogmatic. It was a meeting called by senior Leicester players towards the end of the season that helped them over the line. Once again, I know who the dinosaurs are.

It certainly did raise some red flags. Deja vu from when we were 3-0 up against WBA under Rodgers. What is wrong with these people. An extract out of Percy's article is quite damning too. There will be inevitable disappointment in the Leicester dressing room but, equally, some players will be unmoved. Maresca was so devoted to his philosophy that he could at times become stubborn and dogmatic. It was a meeting called by senior Leicester players towards the end of the season that helped them over the line.

Aggrieved about what exactly? He'd probably have left anyway but their running of the club gave him even more reason to - take those reasons away and maybe then they can be frustrated or aggrieved. He didn't jump at the first opportunity if it's true Sevilla were making eyes at him. Get their house in order first. Become accountable for their actions, learn from mistakes, employ people who can do their jobs.

Yeah I think that's brilliant. I mentioned it last week. On both sides; On our side - I thank Enzo for that, I thank Enzo for calling the powers that be into some question, after the debacle of last seasons pre-season tour, learn. They're clearly not learners though. On Enzo's side - He'll be going to America and other countries on a pre season tour Also, it was believed he didn't like the amount of games in the Championship last season, well enjoy the pre season tours on the other side of the world, enjoy European commitments and enjoy the expectation from Chelsea to go deep in the League Cup/FA Cup, balanced with expectation to do well in the Premier League. I don't think either side come out smelling of roses.

I just still can’t get over the powers that be are frustrated. Are they honestly that self admiring they don’t see any wrong in their day to day running?

Well it’s anything like the time we tried playing like it in the Premier League I’ll have to stop away like I did. Disgusting, rancid stuff, with no point, reason or end game.

Should they not look at themselves as to the reasons why he “jumped ship at the first opportunity” and “openly courted the job”? As for the long term vision remaining unaffected - firstly and most importantly, get your house in order! Secondly if that means this pathetic vision of playing like Man City, I’m out.

I mean I get it, but should they not look at themselves as to the reasons why he “jumped ship at the first opportunity” and “openly courted the job”? As for the long term vision remaining unaffected - firstly and most importantly, get your house in order! Secondly if that means this pathetic vision of playing like Man City, I’m out.

Imagine going from La Bombonera atmosphere to.....Leicester.

I've said before i'll say it again, the way they play may well be successful for them, but it's ****ing boring, it's certainly nothing that get's you out your seat and it shows with their fanbase. They play like they do because they have to, as we seen last season, but why we're at a stage where people want to play like them (badly) for no rhyme or reason is beyond me.

Understood all that in the Championship, there was a reason for it and clearly it worked. FWIW I personally rarely seen it as boring (I guess that's what comes with Maresca following Rodgers though - Couldn't have been any more boring could it) despite many claiming it was, it was far from enthralling but it certainly wasn't boring, not to the extent people seem to claim it was. Who's going to be coming up against Leicester City needing to be drawn out of position in the Premier League? Infact, i'll pose the question another way using a perfect example of something that's been and gone, who was coming up against Leicester City under Rodgers in the Premier League needing to be drawn out? But nope, we duly passed the ball round the back, rarely venturing over the half way line, the opposition waiting for a mistake and bang they're in, we literally did more than half the job for the opposition time after time after time. There is no reason for a team like us to be playing with that theory or ideology in the Premier League. People seem to think its positive to have the ball, even if you don't progress with it, i'm sorry but certainly what we've seen that's been and gone largely over the past 7 years, it's no more positive than sitting with 11 behind the ball in my eyes. It's negative. It's like a boxer who's bolloxed and just constantly looking to hold.

It was based around the same principles, the difference is Enzo executed it better, as i've said numerous times, I somewhat enjoyed it, there was a reason for it in the Championship and I understood that and this is coming from someone who despises possession based football and playing out from that back but it was the same principles, ideologies and he wouldn't change when it clearly needed changing - So much so he was publicly disappointed when we won 5-0 with our best performance of the season....WBA under Rodgers ring any bells....Red flags everywhere. The coming season in the Premier League would have been ****ing disgusting and awful and there would be no reason to play like it. I predict pmcla26 laughs at this.

Watford-esque.

I get we've made leftfield appointments in the past but where have you plucked some most of those names from?!

This where I am hence my “meh” post in reply to this thread. During one of my many rants about possession based football and why we do it someone tried to reason with me why we did it, they claimed we did it so we could “be sustainable”, “train them up and suit them for top club” then “sell our players/managers” to make money then reinvest. I don’t see how that sustainable, I don’t see how it makes and money to reinvest - it hasn’t worked on either counts has it? Even if people do wanna claim it worked, it soon caught up with us and we found ourselves in a mess, relegated, FFP, point deductions, etc. Add to that it’s boring as hell. Personally, I see our pre possession based football era far more successful, sustainable, a better model and more than anything far more bloody exciting and enjoyable. I felt we had a swagger, a fight in us back then, an “identity” (I hate that cliche and buzzword aswell) and when someone left we made sure they’d regret it. The only identity we have in much of the last 7 years is the one size fits all that football has allowed itself to become.